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Old 09-03-2014, 04:53 PM
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They didn't..??? that's ridiculous! Who came up with these rules? How did they otherwise expect the imported dynasty to be nativized?

The Danube principalities as it was called then was for a long time ruled by the powerful boyar families or the Greek Phanariote families in a corrupt system where the Ottomans sold control of the land to the highest bidder. To ensure a stable development of the newly independent country it was decided to keep the indigenous noble clans from the throne.
One direct consequence of this is the Zizi Lambrino affair where as a Romanian she couldn't legally marry Prince Carol.


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Old 09-03-2014, 10:47 PM
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I just wish the Romania government would do the right thing and restore the Royal Family while King Michael is still alive. The Crown Princess has worked for Romania her entire adult life and Prince Nicholas continues to impress. If any family deserves to be restored it is this one. They could represent Romania in a wonderful way without the taint of politics.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:57 PM
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It's not just the government though, or the family itself.

It's not entirely about whether or not the government wants to restore a monarchy or if the family is deserving, although both can come into play. It's ultimately about whether or not the people want a monarchy, and in Romania they don't. I think the most recent polls put them at 30% in favour of a restoration.
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:47 PM
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I just wish the Romania government would do the right thing and restore the Royal Family while King Michael is still alive. The Crown Princess has worked for Romania her entire adult life and Prince Nicholas continues to impress. If any family deserves to be restored it is this one. They could represent Romania in a wonderful way without the taint of politics.
My sentiments, entirely. My fears are that with the King's advancing years, the chances grow slimmer that this will happen and after his passing the hornet's nest of the queston of the succession is not going to help. However, I have not given up hope that future constitutional reform may lead to some form of "crowned republic" in which a constitutionally recognised King (or Queen) of the Romanians, performing a purely symbolic and ceremonial role could co-exist with an elected President of the Romanian State.
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Old 09-06-2014, 10:57 AM
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My sentiments, entirely. My fears are that with the King's advancing years, the chances grow slimmer that this will happen and after his passing the hornet's nest of the queston of the succession is not going to help. However, I have not given up hope that future constitutional reform may lead to some form of "crowned republic" in which a constitutionally recognised King (or Queen) of the Romanians, performing a purely symbolic and ceremonial role could co-exist with an elected President of the Romanian State.
Isn't that what Romania already is?

King Michael lives in his Royal Palace by government legislation; has a staff (which have "His Majesty" in their email auto-signatures); is a prominent and beloved public figure; has served in official roles for Romania (such as touring Western Europe to help Romania's bid to join Nato); has a Royal Family that takes official trips on behalf of Romania; and even, if I recall right, has the Royal Family mentioned in the Constitution.

It seems like the only thing missing is something officially designating him as King of Romania.
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Old 09-06-2014, 02:21 PM
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Prince Nicolae at the Triathlon Challenge Mamaia
Principele Nicolae, la Triathlon Challenge Mamaia Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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Old 09-06-2014, 09:45 PM
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It was interesting to learn about the "Books childhood bike" project.
I like the fact that this charity bicycle tour wishes to raise funds to promote reading among children from disadvantaged backgrounds in Romania.
A wonderful cause! A wonderful gesture!
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Old 09-07-2014, 04:27 PM
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Isn't that what Romania already is?

King Michael lives in his Royal Palace by government legislation; has a staff (which have "His Majesty" in their email auto-signatures); is a prominent and beloved public figure; has served in official roles for Romania (such as touring Western Europe to help Romania's bid to join Nato); has a Royal Family that takes official trips on behalf of Romania; and even, if I recall right, has the Royal Family mentioned in the Constitution.

It seems like the only thing missing is something officially designating him as King of Romania.
Indeed, Csenyc, although the situation is primarily linked to HM the King in person and what the situation will be when King Michael is no longer with us is less sure. With this in mind, I am heartened immensely by the recognition given and respect shown to Princess Margareta and Prince Nicolae by various government institutions.
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Old 09-11-2014, 02:57 AM
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Prince Nicolae attended on Monday the commemoration of 125 years of the church near Sinaia Busteni. The church was built with the help of King Carol I and Queen Elisabeth of Romania.
Biserica Domnească din Bușteni, 125 de ani de la sfințire, 8 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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Prince Nicolae attended on Monday the commemoration of 125 years of the church near Sinaia Busteni. The church was built with the help of King Carol I and Queen Elisabeth of Romania.
Biserica Domnească din Bușteni, 125 de ani de la sfințire, 8 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
The picture of the little boy with the Prince was cute.
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Old 09-12-2014, 06:49 PM
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The current constitution of Romania does not, as far as I can see, make any reference to the Royal House. So while Prince Nicholas is setting down firm foundations as a future Head of the Royal House, and King Michael is treated with a certain amount of honour and respect by the government, there is no constitutional recognition.

I wonder if there will really be any fuss about the succession when King Michael dies. Princess Margarita and Prince Nicholas seem to have the popular recognition as the King's heirs, so are the niceties of the 1923 constitution, which was abrogated in 1947, really going to be such an issue? I think it would be wonderful to see a restoration in 2017. Just imagine, 90 years after his first reign began, Michael is proclaimed King for the third time, with Princess Margarita and Prince Nicholas as his heirs.
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:00 PM
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I could see a fuss being made about the succession after Michael's death.

I think it'll really depend on the people who have a claim and the presence of monarchism in Romania at the time.

If Margarita is recognized as a viable successor then it makes no sense for the succession to bypass Nicholas' mother. So there could be a dispute there, depending on the family relations. There could also be a dispute between Margarita and Nicholas, depending on who monarchist groups in Romania want to be the heir. Nicholas, as a younger individual who could have children in the future, makes a better looking candidate (although not necessarily a better one).

There are also other contenders. Paul Hohenzollern may not have much support now, but that could change once Michael dies. Likewise, the next person in the line of succession under the old rules (I can't remember his name right now) may be claiming that he doesn't want the position now... But he could change his tune after Michael's passing. Or he could die before Michael and be succeeded by someone who does want the position.
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Yes, I can imagine rumblings in some quarters. But I get the impression that Margarita and Nicholas have consolidated their public role as heirs to King Michael to such a degree that a sudden about face from some man in Germany would be met by bemusement in Romania. This impression is based on the way I have seen the Royal Family reported in the Romanian media, and the seemingly natural acceptance of Margarita and Nicholas as the King's heirs.

But, of course, I am relying on random articles in translation, and TV reports in a language I do not understand, so I could be completely wrong (as often I am). I don't know the intricacies of Romanian politics, and what, if any, legacies remain from the dark days of communist intrigue. I probably also underestimate the trouble Mr Paul Hohenzollern could cause; he and his wife are such jokes that I cannot take them seriously. But he could, of course, pursue his own cause, or be manipulated by other political forces, to undermine a possible restoration. So, yes, things may not be as simple as I would like to think. But still, I hope that the example of duty, service and loyalty set my King Michael, and the respect in which he is held, will help smooth the way for the general acceptance of the succession according to King Michael’s wishes.
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Old 09-13-2014, 12:20 AM
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I do think Margarita and Nicholas have done a lot to help their images in Romania, and as such I don't think it's likely that another contender could usurp them.

However, never say never. If I remember correctly, the major monarchist group in Romania wanted Michael to name a male German as the heir, then were willing to accept him naming Nicholas, but weren't happy when he chose to name Margarita. I think a lot of the support and recognition for a non-reigning family comes from its country's monarchist group(s), and if someone else with a good claim chose to put their name forward and the monarchists chose to recognize them instead of Margarita.... I don't think it would be good for the movement in Romania, but I could see it happening.

I doubt a German royal has much chance of usurping Margarita or Nicholas, but I could almost see Paul or his children doing it. We might not take him serious, but he and his after have been able to gain recognition in the courts. There have been a number of cases in Lisborn, France, the UK, and Romania about recognizing Carol as the son of Carol II, and acknowledging whether or not he has succession rights - and the first three clearly did so. The Romanian one recognized Carol as the son of Carol II but was unclear on what that meant about succession rights. While Paul claims to be pro republic now, his tune may change when Michael dies, and who knows whether or not the monarchists will like him as heir more than Margarita or Nicholas.

It remains to be seen whether or not Michael made a mistake in deciding to go against the wishes of the monarchists when he named Margarita his heir. I hope he didn't, because I think she is good for Romania, but who knows what the Romanian monarchists think.
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:15 AM
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Prince Nicolae is on an official visit in Düsseldorf, Germany on 15th-17th September. He attends at the series of events commemorating the centenary of the death of King Carol I.
Principele Nicolae, vizită oficială în Germania, 15-17 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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"Prince Nicolae of Romania made ​​no fuss about his person when he was received yesterday together with a large Romanian delegation at City Hall".
Delegation Ein echter Prinz aus Rumänien zu Gast in Düsseldorf
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Prince Nicolae was in London on 22-24 September at the regional conference EMAS (Europe, Mediterranean and Arab States) of the "The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award".
Principele Nicolae, la Conferința Regională a programului „The Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award”, Londra, 22-24 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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Thanks LadyFinn for the recent updates on Prince Nicolae's latest engagements.

Out of interest, do you or anyone else know how tall Nicolae is?
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Thanks LadyFinn for the recent updates on Prince Nicolae's latest engagements.

Out of interest, do you or anyone else know how tall Nicolae is?
No, but he seems to be a little shorter than the Earl of Wessex. So if someone knows how tall the Earl is, that would help.
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Prince Nicolae was in London on 22-24 September at the regional conference EMAS (Europe, Mediterranean and Arab States) of the "The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award".
Principele Nicolae, la Conferința Regională a programului „The Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award”, Londra, 22-24 septembrie 2014 Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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I like the fact that "The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award" aims to help young people skills needed for independent living, giving them the chance to excel and be recognized internationally for their merits.
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