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Old 04-20-2014, 06:39 AM
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For me it feels as unneccessary and what is the purpose? Why to hide that you belong to one of the grandest and most illustrious European dynasties which delivered Princes, Kürfürsten (Electors), Kings, Emperors, Russian Grand Dukes even (Grand Duke George at the moment). I think being a Prince (Princess) von Hohenzollern, aside of Romania, only adds to the stature and dignity of the House of Romania. As this "renounciation" has no any effect on the succession, it was totally unneccessary in my humble opinion.

What is wrong with: HRH Princess Margarita of Romania, Princess of Hohenzollern?

I happen to like the sound of it!

Perhaps HM wanted to reiterate that he feels that the CP was his heir, and the eventual headship of Prince Nicolae as his desires? I also think, after reading his decree, that the split was because he assumes or thinks that P Karl might rise up out of the wood work, and stake claim of head of house from the CP who is for sure capable?

I see both sides, but I am not sure how this will go.

I am surprised that the king didn't take something to the court to have it recognized, as "prince" Paul Hohenzollern did.

If they can legitimize him, then they should surely recognize the kings wishes (for or against). Romania does not need to be a monarchy to state whether or not they agree with the king.
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Old 04-20-2014, 06:53 PM
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A Tribunal has nothing to do with these issues in Romania.
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Old 09-19-2015, 06:51 PM
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Which would be the real cause of this gesture?
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Old 09-20-2015, 02:17 AM
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Which would be the real cause of this gesture?

No idea. Perhaps you know? You were heavily in favor of the gesture when it happened as you indicated that King Michael was merely carrying out the wishes of King Ferdinand.
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Maybe today we can understand better what followed 2007. Obviously the advisers of the Sovereign did try to avoid the envolvment of the Hohenzollerns in the future in Romania. I really doubt now this gesture helped in any way.
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Old 09-20-2015, 06:56 PM
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The ties with the Hohenzollerns were severed for two things:

- the sharp criticism by the Fürst von Hohenzollern on King Michael allowing his son-in-law being addressed as "Prince of Hohenzollern-Veringen".

- the wish by King Michael to change the succession in favour of his daughters and therefore shoving aside the constitutional heirs: the Hohenzollerns.
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Old 09-20-2015, 07:13 PM
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Obviosly HH Prince Karl was right and more and more people see it clearly now.
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:11 PM
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What was the position of the German branch of the Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen family during the two world wars? Did they support the German Empire against Romania in WWI and what was their attitude to King Michael's decision to join the Allies in 1944?

I know that Wilhelm II had Ferdinand's name erased from the Hohenzollern register but wonder what was the attitude of the Sigmaringen branch?
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Old 09-21-2015, 07:19 PM
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After the first world war the Princes of Hohenzollern were very close to King Ferdinand again and this continue with Carol II and with his brother. King Michael changed his mind only in recent years regarding the House of his forefathers.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:11 PM
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After the first world war the Princes of Hohenzollern were very close to King Ferdinand again and this continue with Carol II and with his brother. King Michael changed his mind only in recent years regarding the House of his forefathers.
Thank you Cory. I know about King Michael's change of mind but my question was what about during the war and during World War II? Did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support the German Empire and the Third Reich, or not?
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The dialogue between King Mihai and his relatives the Princes of Hohenzollern continued during the second world war but I can' t know the real feelings of the Catholic Hohenzollerns towards the third Reich.
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The dialogue between King Mihai and his relatives the Princes of Hohenzollern continued during the second world war but I can' t know the real feelings of the Catholic Hohenzollerns towards the third Reich.
With no concrete examples to clarify or support the claim, I'm not sure how to interpret what 'dialogue' means here. Israel and Palestine have 'dialogue' and so do Norway and Sweden.


Did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support the Kaiser's decision to erase King Ferdinand from the Hohenzollern family register?
Were Ferdinand's living (and maybe future) descendants also erased from the register?
Was he/Were they ever officially reinstated? When?
Did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support the German Empire against Romania in World War I?

In World War II, irrespective of their feelings towards the ideology of nazism, did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support King Michael's 1944 decision to declare war against Germany or did they support Germany against Romania?

Thanks to anyone who can provide a clear answer.
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The fact that the descendants of King Ferdinand all were (are) Prince or Princess von Hohenzollern seems to indicate that it did not affect them. I also wonder if the Chef of the Brandenburgische Linie (Wilhelm II) could erase a descendant from the Schwäbische Linie (Ferdinand). I believe Wilhelm had no say in that.
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With no concrete examples to clarify or support the claim, I'm not sure how to interpret what 'dialogue' means here. Israel and Palestine have 'dialogue' and so do Norway and Sweden.


Did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support the Kaiser's decision to erase King Ferdinand from the Hohenzollern family register?
Were Ferdinand's living (and maybe future) descendants also erased from the register?
Was he/Were they ever officially reinstated? When?
Did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support the German Empire against Romania in World War I?

In World War II, irrespective of their feelings towards the ideology of nazism, did the Catholic Hohenzollerns support King Michael's 1944 decision to declare war against Germany or did they support Germany against Romania?

Thanks to anyone who can provide a clear answer.
After the first world war King Ferdinand met again very many times his Hohenzollern relatives and the Hohenzollerns were present at Family events in Romania.
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:45 AM
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After the first world war King Ferdinand met again very many times his Hohenzollern relatives and the Hohenzollerns were present at Family events in Romania.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, Cory, but it doesn't really answer my questions.
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Old 09-25-2015, 12:34 PM
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Well, King Michael does not consider himself and his offspring a Hohenzollern anymore...
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After the first world war King Ferdinand met again very many times his Hohenzollern relatives and the Hohenzollerns were present at Family events in Romania.
I'm puzzled; this posts of yours suggests that there were cordial relationships between King Ferdinand and his Hohenzollern relatives after the War.
So I wonder - just like others have wondered before me - what was the exact meaning of your posts, where you referred to King Ferdinand wishes and decisions taken after World War I that were eventually carried out by King Michael in 2011 with his decision to sever the links with the House of Hohenzollern?
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I really doubt the decision of King Michael has anything to do with the past.
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I really doubt the decision of King Michael has anything to do with the past.

Which is odd, considering you stated the opposite quite strongly at the time the ties were severed.
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I presumed at that time that the decision was linked with what happened during the first workd war. I suppose it is pretty obvious now it was not the case.
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