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Princess Margareta has done a lot of good things for the country in the last 25 years.
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Old 10-25-2015, 03:30 AM
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Prince Radu attended on Friday at the Studio Cinema in Bucharest, at the gala opening of the sixth edition of "Les Films ŕ Bucarest Cannes".
Les Films de Cannes ŕ Bucarest, ediția a șasea _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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On her message for the King's birthday Princess Margareta spoke about the " extrem weakness and suffrance " of the Queen.
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Old 10-25-2015, 06:27 AM
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On her message for the King's birthday Princess Margareta spoke about the " extrem weakness and suffrance " of the Queen.
It's sad, but not unexpected, to hear about the condition of H.M the Queen. All we can do, is keep her in our prayers right now.
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It is really sad for the members of the Family to not be together on this so special day.
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Old 11-21-2015, 12:32 PM
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Crown princess Margarita granted on Monday 16th November high patronage to the educational institution Transylvania College in Cluj-Napoca.
Principesa Moștenitoare, Înalt Patronaj școlii Transylvania College _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Prince Radu hosted on 17th November at the Elisabeta Palace an evening dedicated to Romanian Federation of Archery. He is the patron of the Federation.
Seara Federației Române de Tir cu Arcul, 17 noiembrie 2015 _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Romania has a "Queen, Crown Princess, and a Prince?" Did I not get the memo? Just as Greece, Hanover, and other countries/former countries, they legally have no monarchy, and thus no royal family. How many centuries must pass before these now commoners realize they are now legally commoners, albeit wealthy ones. They should accept their fate in life, find a way to cope with that fate, and move forward. They were all fired many years ago - but they keep showing up for a job that they no longer have. Really sad!
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Old 11-24-2015, 04:54 AM
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Well, Romania may not legally have the monarchy has the current form of government, but the titles of the members of the former Royal House are apparently acknowledged by the current republican government. Not only the title of King Michael, as a former Head of State, but also the titles of Crown Princess Margarita and Prince Radu.
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Romania has a "Queen, Crown Princess, and a Prince?" Did I not get the memo? Just as Greece, Hanover, and other countries/former countries, they legally have no monarchy, and thus no royal family. How many centuries must pass before these now commoners realize they are now legally commoners, albeit wealthy ones. They should accept their fate in life, find a way to cope with that fate, and move forward. They were all fired many years ago - but they keep showing up for a job that they no longer have. Really sad!
I think you got the wrong memo. What leads you to believe that the people concerned have not moved forward? If HRH Princess Margareta is active in Romania, it is as patron of many charities (the Red Cross and her own excellent foundation to name but two). There is absolutely nothing sad about that; on the contrary, she has helped many, many people. What is more, she does not participate in the government of the state and she certainly does not "show up" anywhere unless invited.
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Well, Romania may not legally have the monarchy has the current form of government, but the titles of the members of the former Royal House are apparently acknowledged by the current republican government. Not only the title of King Michael, as a former Head of State, but also the titles of Crown Princess Margarita and Prince Radu.
Educate me - how does Romania, which legally has no royal family, acknowledge the outlawed royal titles of its own ex-royals? I realize CP Margarita and P Radu do a lot of good things for the Romanian people, but put that aside and enlighten me on the details of this situation.
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The situation is that Romania is a republic, but the former Royal Family plays a semi-official role. The Romanian government has granted to the members of the former Royal House the use of the Elisabeta Palace, where at times they host guests on official visits to Romania; members of the Royal Family (especially Margarita and Radu) at times act as representatives of the Romanian Government abroad; and if you check the various threads, you'll find many other examples.
The Royal Family doesn't have a constitutional role in the Republic of Romania, but still de facto plays a semi-official representative role acknowledged by the government.
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Prince Radu hosted on behalf of King Michael a reception for the diplomatic corps at the Peles Castle on 3rd December. Prince Radu read the message of King Michael in romanian, french and english. Ambassadors and other diplomats were invited then music hall for "Diplomatic Luncheon". The Military Orchestra of the Air Force Academy "Henri Coanda" held a concert.
Recepția Regală a Corpului Diplomatic, la Castelul Peleș _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Prince Radu delivered the first scholarships "Regele Carol I" and "Regina Elisabeta" at the Peles Castle on 3rd December.
Au fost acordate primele Burse “Regele Carol I” și “Regina Elisabeta” _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Most remarkable. The Corps Diplomatique consists of official representants of states. That these ambassadors go to a reception formally hosted by a former head of state and that an orchestra of the Air Force (paid for by the State of Romania) gives a concert...

Maybe the Romanian model is the best: the State is governed by a democratically elected Government and President. The former royal family has a (semi-)official representative function. That would at the one side end the "democratic deficit" which is the fact that a head of state is designated by birthright and at the other side respect the often centuries long historic and emotional bond to a family.

I am impressed by how nice the Romanian royal family represents, given the minimal financial budget compared to the reigning monarchies.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:45 AM
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Educate me - how does Romania, which legally has no royal family, acknowledge the outlawed royal titles of its own ex-royals? I realize CP Margarita and P Radu do a lot of good things for the Romanian people, but put that aside and enlighten me on the details of this situation.
I suppose the same could be said for your own former presidents, who are still and for life referred to as Presidents, whether one likes it or not.
A matter of etiquette, tradition or style is not a matter of personal preference, it's how countries deal with things that have been. A King is a King for life, reigning or not, just as a president is, and his family will remain a former and titular Royal Family, just as Laura Bush, and her mother-in-law, Barbara Bush, are for life Former First Ladies. Columba Bush, the wife of Jeb Bush, sister-in-law of Laura and daughter-in-law of Barbara, could still become the next First Lady of the U.S.A. Do I smell the aroma of monarchy in the U.S aswell?

I always love how many so-called die hard republicans seem to live in faux republics, from the Bushes, Clintons and Kennedys in the U.S, to Nestor and Cristina Kirchner in Argentina, the Gandhis in India, the Assads, the Kims and Parks in North and South Korea, the dynasties in Greek politics, the Aliyevs in Azerbaijan, the Bhuttos in Pakistan and the hereditary republics established in Africa, too many to list. Republics leave a lot to be desired, because a large portion of people, I dare say a majority, desire stability and continuity in our leaders. We want to know they know their job/role, that they can be trusted and they know how to reject things that could harm us mere subjects. There is no other way to explain the popularity and growth of spouses, children and family members of former leaders, and their tendencey to get elected or approved themselves.

Society at large is of the opinion that when people have once been elevated they don't become commoners at the flick of a switch again. They have certain needs for protection and security, and they have an extra need for privacy, as they will always be 'those-who-once' or 'those-who-might'.
In the case of Romania, and to a lesser degree Serbia and Montenegro, despite being republics, they have found both cost-effective and respectful ways of using their Royal Families for representation, diplomacy and charity, which the population responds positively to, and the establishments sees as an acceptable, but not too big, threat to their own positions.

De facto, de jure, titular, pretender. These are all royal concepts throughout our history, that won't be erased easily, and that shouldn't, because if it's one thing we should learn from history, is that we never know what happens tomorrow, and a link to our collective past is often not a bad thing.
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There is a difference between what the formal position is and how people react. Best example: in Austria the titles of the former imperial family were revoked, it was not allowed to incorporate these in the surname and even the "von" ("of") was scrapped: His Imperial and Royal Highness Otto, The Prince Imperial, Archduke of Austria, Prince Royal of Hungary became "Mr Otto Habsburg". However the people never stopped referring him as "Archduke Otto" and when he died in 2011, his funeral was with full imperial and royal honours -in the presence of the full Austrian Government- and when he was interred in the crypt his full titulature was read aloud, no matter what was written in his passport.
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I suppose the same could be said for your own former presidents, who are still and for life referred to as Presidents, whether one likes it or not.
A matter of etiquette, tradition or style is not a matter of personal preference, it's how countries deal with things that have been. A King is a King for life, reigning or not, just as a president is, and his family will remain a former and titular Royal Family, just as Laura Bush, and her mother-in-law, Barbara Bush, are for life Former First Ladies. Columba Bush, the wife of Jeb Bush, sister-in-law of Laura and daughter-in-law of Barbara, could still become the next First Lady of the U.S.A. Do I smell the aroma of monarchy in the U.S aswell?

I always love how many so-called die hard republicans seem to live in faux republics, from the Bushes, Clintons and Kennedys in the U.S, to Nestor and Cristina Kirchner in Argentina, the Gandhis in India, the Assads, the Kims and Parks in North and South Korea, the dynasties in Greek politics, the Aliyevs in Azerbaijan, the Bhuttos in Pakistan and the hereditary republics established in Africa, too many to list. Republics leave a lot to be desired, because a large portion of people, I dare say a majority, desire stability and continuity in our leaders. We want to know they know their job/role, that they can be trusted and they know how to reject things that could harm us mere subjects. There is no other way to explain the popularity and growth of spouses, children and family members of former leaders, and their tendencey to get elected or approved themselves.

Society at large is of the opinion that when people have once been elevated they don't become commoners at the flick of a switch again. They have certain needs for protection and security, and they have an extra need for privacy, as they will always be 'those-who-once' or 'those-who-might'.
In the case of Romania, and to a lesser degree Serbia and Montenegro, despite being republics, they have found both cost-effective and respectful ways of using their Royal Families for representation, diplomacy and charity, which the population responds positively to, and the establishments sees as an acceptable, but not too big, threat to their own positions.

De facto, de jure, titular, pretender. These are all royal concepts throughout our history, that won't be erased easily, and that shouldn't, because if it's one thing we should learn from history, is that we never know what happens tomorrow, and a link to our collective past is often not a bad thing.
The way you explained the situation to which I was referring now makes better sense to me - it is more a matter of etiquette or tradition. I think as these royal families were legally ran out of their countries, it seems a little odd that now they are welcomed back into their home countries with open arms. For instance, I cannot imagine Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi of Iran ever being welcomed in Iran ever, much less as the Crown Prince of Iran. Do you think that a significant passage of time, and the changes brought about during these times makes a difference?😕
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It's rather interesting, that in 2014 crown princess Margarita, prince Radu, prince Nicolae and princess Maria attended at the reception for the diplomatic corps. Now only prince Radu.
And in the spring crown princess Margarita and prince Radu announced that they had decided to deliver new scholarship. However, at the delivery was only prince Radu.

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Crown Princess Margarita and Prince Radu announced on Monday their decision to deliver from 2015, every year four scholarships for Romanian students.

"In Holy Week, our thoughts turn to our ancestors, who founded the modern Romania. With their example in mind, we are proud to announce that Prince Radu and I have acted. Since 2015, we provide personally every year four scholarships for Romanian students: two in Bucharest, "King Carol I Scholarship" and "Queen Elizabeth Scholarship" at The Bucharest Academy of Economic Studies, and two in Chisinau, "King Ferdinand Scholarship" and "Queen Maria Scholarship" at The University of Academy of Sciences of Moldova", said crown princess Margarita.
Familia regală va oferi, începând din 2015, anual, câte patru burse pentru studenţii români - Mediafax
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King Michael gave the high patronage to Asociația Română de Aeromodelism. Prince Radu handed out the certificate of the patronage on behalf of the king on 4th December.
Asociația Română de Aeromodelism a primit patronaj regal _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Prince Radu is the new patron of Liceul Academic de Arte Plastice „Igor Vieru” (Academic School of Fine Arts "Igor Vieru"). He gave the certificate to the School on 4th December.
Liceul Academic de Arte Plastice din Chișinău a primit patronaj regal _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Crown princess Margarita and prince Radu are on a visit to Switzerland 6th-10th December. The crown princess participates as president of the National Red Cross Society of Romania in the work of the 32nd International Conference of the Red Cross, held in Geneva.
Crown Princess Margarita and Prince Radu will meet at the beginning of the visit the Romanian Ambassador to the UN Permanent Mission, Mr. Mr.Vierita.
Vizită regală la Geneva _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Most remarkable. The Corps Diplomatique consists of official representants of states. That these ambassadors go to a reception formally hosted by a former head of state and that an orchestra of the Air Force (paid for by the State of Romania) gives a concert...

Maybe the Romanian model is the best: the State is governed by a democratically elected Government and President. The former royal family has a (semi-)official representative function. That would at the one side end the "democratic deficit" which is the fact that a head of state is designated by birthright and at the other side respect the often centuries long historic and emotional bond to a family.

I am impressed by how nice the Romanian royal family represents, given the minimal financial budget compared to the reigning monarchies.
I'm curious to see the attendance of the luncheon myself. It would be awkward for diplomats to attend such an event unless they have a personal relationship with members of the former Royal family. It's a curious situation, I don't know what the protocol would be in this case. If you're Ambassador though, I guess you'd have to consider whether you're not in any way offending the government for attending an event hosted by the deposed RF (regardless of whether the government and the RF have a good relationship) and if you're respecting the Romanians' official wish to not be a monarchy. A safe thing to do would be to send the Embassy number 2 to the event I suppose. Tricky but very interesting.
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I think as these royal families were legally ran out of their countries, it seems a little odd that now they are welcomed back into their home countries with open arms.
The issue is the royal families in the Balkans were not exactly legally driven out. Rigged referendums, coups by Communists, etc. were more of the order of the day when the Romanians, Greeks, Bulgarians and Yugoslavs were forced into exile.
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