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Queen Marie sat for her daughter, Princess Ileana in 1931.
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Today in Royal History is the 81st Death Anniversary of Queen Marie of Romania born Princess Marie of Edinburgh on 29 October 1875 to Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duke of Edinburgh and Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia.
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On 27 August 2019, the National Bank of Romania, in accordance with the provisions of the law, will introduce into circulation 50 coins bearing the image of King Ferdinand I, made of brass.





On 24 August will be his 154th birthday. He was the second King of Romania and the nephew of Carol I. He was married to Princess Marie of Edinburgh and had six issues.
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Was Marie's mother, Duchess Maria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha very influential in her daughter's engagement to Prince Ferdinand?
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Was Marie's mother, Duchess Maria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha very influential in her daughter's engagement to Prince Ferdinand?
Yes, she arranged it.
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Was Marie's mother, Duchess Maria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha very influential in her daughter's engagement to Prince Ferdinand?
The Duchess of Edindurgh and later Duchess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha had so many things she considered in marrying Marie off. One great reason was her disapproval of her husband and mother-in-law's wish of marrying Marie with the future George V.

  • The Duchess resented her husband's attitude and alcoholism. They had serious marital problems and this made her sure not to marry off her daughter Marie to her nephew Prince George of Wales later George V because she did not want her daughter to make the same mistake.
  • She doesn't like the then Alexandra, Princess of Wales (George's mother), whose father had been a minor German prince before being called to the Danish throne, was higher than her in the order of precedence.
  • She's also against the idea of first cousin marriage as this was not an allowed practice in her native Russian Orthodox.

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Yes, she arranged it.
Marie has grown into a very lovely woman and was even courted by her cousin Prince George of Wales (later George V). Queen Victoria, the Prince of Wales (Edward VII) and her father approved of the marriage but the Princess of Wales (Queen Alexandra) and her mother the Duchess of Edinburgh did not.

Around the same time, King Carol I of Romania was looking for a suitable bride for his nephew the Crown Prince (later Ferdinand I), this decision was so important because this would secure the continuation of their royal house in Romanian throne. Thus, it happened, the Duchess of Edinburgh suggested that Marie meet Ferdinand.

Queen Victoria liked Ferdinand's family but not the societal landscape of Bucharest as she described it as insecure and immoral. Victoria, the German Empress her aunt, also thought that this marriage was too soon and Marie was so young.
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Queen Victoria and her daughter, Crown Princess Victoria of Prussia had very good outlooks about Marie's future marriage. However, did not her mother, Duchess Maria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha want her oldest daughter to be married first?
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Marie WAS Duchess Marie's eldest daughter and she did marry first. She was born in 1875, a year after her only brother, Young Alfred, and was 17 when she wed Ferdinand. Empress Vicky of Germany considered that far too young.
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As Vicky herself had married and moved to a foreign land at 17, she knew whereof she spoke.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:22 AM
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Indeed, it's a question why Marie had to wed first than her eldest brother Alfred. But two years after Marie's marriage to Ferdinand, in 1895, he was betrothed to Duchess Elsa of Württemberg but the marriage didn't happen until his controversial death.

As with Victoria, The German Empress, I find it peculiar why she remarked Marie (17 when married) was so young when she herself was engaged and married at 17 and her daughter Princess Charlotte of Prussia who married Bernhard III, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen was also 17. Even, her other daughter Sophia later Queen of the Hellenes married age 19.
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Vicky was deeply in love with her Fritz and he with her but looking back at it perhaps she did feel that she had married a bit too young, especially in regard to her difficulties in Berlin. Or perhaps she had heard that Marie and Ferdinand's marriage wasn't a love match, unlike her own, and that therefore she felt sad that Marie had been pushed into the marriage by her mother.

As far as Charlotte was concerned, from everything I've read, she was considered to have had a VERY difficult and perverse personality and often clashed with her mother. I don't think Charlotte was in love with her groom but she did want to be married and independent of her parents. Her marriage seems to have been greeted with a sigh of relief from everyone around her.

On the other hand I think Sophie's marriage was believed to be a love match, and I suppose 19 wasn't considered extremely young by Royal standards of the day.
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Crown Prince Ferdinand did not propose to Princess Marie in his native Romania. He proposed to her in Emperor Wilhelm II's Neues Palais at Potsdam.
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I don't think anybody has said that Ferdinand did propose to Marie in Romania have they? And Kaiser Wilhelm imposing himself into matchmaking exercises wasn't anything new for him. He was delighted with the match, as the Romanian King and Queen were both German born and he was quite happy I think that Marie wasn't to marry into the BRF, as Prince George (the Duke of York) had wanted.
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