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Old 12-06-2017, 11:56 AM
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I know that other heirs don't use monarchical titles so I found it odd that the Romanian news agencies were suggesting that Margareta would use the title of Queen. Perhaps it was a bad translation as I've checked the Romanian Royal House press releases and can't find a single mention of anything even vaguely suggesting that she would style herself that way.
On the website of TVR said the Princess Margaretha will have the title of Queen.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:57 AM
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Death of King Michael, 5th December 2017

The mystery deepens. I wonder if the Romanian media have misunderstood something or whether this is something they’ve been briefed on and we haven’t?

It seems pretty obvious to me from that article that she can style herself as Queen if she wishes. And certainly it seems to be what the late King wished.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:08 PM
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Princess Margareta to become Queen after King Michael’s death
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:06 PM
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In my eyes this "Romanian Insider" had the wrong interpretation. According to the Fundamental Rules (Michael's drafted succession) she is his successor to the throne but it is up to the Romanians -if ever- to decide on this.

For so far Princess Margareta consequently uses the term "Custodian of the Crown", which is similar to Maria Vladimirovna Romanova whom styles herself as "Curatrix" of the Russian Crown.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:23 PM
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In my eyes this "Romanian Insider" had the wrong interpretation. According to the Fundamental Rules (Michael's drafted succession) she is his successor to the throne but it is up to the Romanians -if ever- to decide on this.

For so far Princess Margareta consequently uses the term "Custodian of the Crown", which is similar to Maria Vladimirovna Romanova whom styles herself as "Curatrix" of the Russian Crown.
I share your interpretation, Duc_et_Pair.

Perhaps the King was trying to reinforce his house rules by claiming for his daughter the status of de jure successor to the throne of Romania. According to those rules, on his death, she becomes de jure Queen in the same way that Crown Prince Leka II and Crown Prince Nikola II are de jure Kings of Albania & Montenegro.

Like them, I think she'll use her current title and a regnal number - HRH Crown Princess Margareta I, Custodian of the Crown of Romania - rather than adopt the style of Queen Margareta I.


Crown Prince Alexander II of Serbia and Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece, actually are Crown Princes, their fathers still being on the throne at the time of their births.

The meaning of "Crown Prince(ss)" seems to be acquiring a new usage - for the heads of non-reigning houses - in addition to the established one.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:28 PM
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Crown Custodian's Proclamation: In my efforts to develop and consolidate the country, I will be exemplary of our Father
"Called to be the successor of the good King Michael, who has left me as a holy inheritance love and faith towards Romania, I will continue the work and respect his covenant," the Romanian Crown Custodians sent in a second official message.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:28 PM
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Any messages of condolences from other royals?
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:40 PM
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I believe that the last time they might have seen each other was in 2012 at the luncheon QEII held for her fellow monarchs. King Michael was among the invited guests.

Jubilee monarchs' lunch: the full guest list - Telegraph
Thanks for reminding us about that wonderful event - in which Mihai -and Simeon and Konstantinos- were seated based on seniority as if they were still the monarchs of their respective countries!
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:23 AM
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https://www.realitatea.net/reac-ii-v...a_2126700.html

It seems as if the Royal House are facing a backlash here because of the time of the burial and the restricted access to press and public. A popular theory (on social media....) is that the King died months ago but that the Royal House waited to announce it until the Roman Parliament had passed it's bill confirming the status of the Royal House. Some are suggesting this is why Nicholas MM was restricted from seeing his grandfather.
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It seems as if the Royal House are facing a backlash here because of the time of the burial and the restricted access to press and public. A popular theory (on social media....) is that the King died months ago but that the Royal House waited to announce it until the Roman Parliament had passed it's bill confirming the status of the Royal House. Some are suggesting this is why Nicholas MM was restricted from seeing his grandfather.


Well, damn if it's true. But who knows, maybe Mihai ordered this like that before dying, knowing this bill is going to be passed. But then again he is a true christian, so without one proof, this is quite an accusation.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:27 PM
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Patriarch Daniel of Romania has said the argument is ridiculous and that the timing of the King's burial was not specifically requested but was "natural" considering the need for public ceremony leading to a private burial later that the day. He also says that the church has been working with the Royal House for a while now on these plans which the King himself approved.
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Well, damn if it's true. But who knows, maybe Mihai ordered this like that before dying, knowing this bill is going to be passed. But then again he is a true christian, so without one proof, this is quite an accusation.
What bill?
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:58 PM
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It seems as if the Royal House are facing a backlash here because of the time of the burial and the restricted access to press and public. A popular theory (on social media....) is that the King died months ago but that the Royal House waited to announce it until the Roman Parliament had passed it's bill confirming the status of the Royal House. Some are suggesting this is why Nicholas MM was restricted from seeing his grandfather.
Social media is a fertile ground for extremely dubious and malicious people. Anybody who has seen the clip below, broadcast yesterday, would be in no doubt that the family's grief is still very raw and fresh. I actually feel unclean and disrespectful in posting this clip because it intrudes into a very private moment (shame on the TV company that filmed it) but it provides an unequivocal rebuke to the scandalous accusations you speak of.




As for the comments regarding the timing of the burial, they are disgraceful. Again, it appears as if some elements are on a mission to destroy and discredit the Royal House in any way possible. If you stop and think about it, the comments are absurd. The funeral will take place on one of shortest days of the year. There is a need to perform three ceremonies in three different locations, the third of which is hours away from the first two. There is a need to time the main funeral ceremony in Bucharest in such a way that mourners can assemble and attend. The ceremonial participants (military and others) also need to accompany the cortège. The operation of the police and security services, there to protect the guests - and manage the crowd - must be considered. Finally, and most importantly, there must be a rhythm which is dignified, allows the mourners to get through the day and gives time to those who wish to pay homage along the route.
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:01 PM
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The funeral isn’t all that different to that of Queen Anne’s last year so I can’t see quite where the complaints are coming from. But as you rightly say, social media gossip is responsible for all sorts of misunderstandings.
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What bill?
The Bill which gives the former royal family a formal public role, including a Budget, 20 persons of staff, an office (Elisabeta Palace) and facilitary assistance from the State.

There are two camps: one which realizes that Romania is what it is: a republic, and that a return to a monarchy is unlikely. Better to make formal arrangements with the State (like the former German Royal Houses did) than to remain in a sort of limbo.

The other camp says: this is traitorous, this is leaving the dream of a monarchist revival in Romania. This is a capitulation the republic.

This is why you see camps of monarchists fiercely attacking Princess Margareta and Radu Duda, seeing them as the motor behind this "appeasement" policy. Princess Margareta and Radu Duda however see this Bill -when passed in Parliament- as a solid base to have a meaningful role as former royal family in today's Romania.
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In addition to the duke of Edinburgh, it could very well be that grand duke Jean (all three of them born in 1921) was also a friend or at least a good acquaintance of king Michael, who married Jean's cousin princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma. Quite exceptional that these three royal men born in the same year reached the age of (at least) 96!
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In addition to the duke of Edinburgh, it could very well be that grand duke Jean (all three of them born in 1921) was also a friend or at least a good acquaintance of king Michael, who married Jean's cousin princess Anne of Bourbon-Parma. Quite exceptional that these three royal men born in the same year reached the age of (at least) 96!
Anne was certainly close to Jean. Actually he helped them meet. Anne was meant to accompany her parents to London for Elizabeth and Philip's wedding but declined. It was her cousin Jean who convinced Anne to come to London for a party he was planning. She came with Jean, and it was while visiting her parents, she first met Michael. She had been so embarrassed meeting him that she fled, but he attended Jean's party, as he had been so charmed.
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Anne was certainly close to Jean. Actually he helped them meet. Anne was meant to accompany her parents to London for Elizabeth and Philip's wedding but declined. It was her cousin Jean who convinced Anne to come to London for a party he was planning. She came with Jean, and it was while visiting her parents, she first met Michael. She had been so embarrassed meeting him that she fled, but he attended Jean's party, as he had been so charmed.
Relationship between the late Queen Anne and Grand-Duke Jean:

Anne de Bourbon de Parme (1923-2016) cousine of Jean
x Michael von Hohenzollern, King of Romania (1921-2017)
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René de Bourbon de Parme (1894-1962) uncle of Jean
x Margrethe, Princess of Denmark (1895-1992)
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Robert I de Bourbon de Parme, Duke of Parma (1848-1907) grandfather of Jean and Anne
x Maria Antonia de Bragança, Infanta of Portugal (1862-1959)
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Félix de Bourbon de Parme (1893-1970) uncle of Anne
x Charlotte de Nassau, Grand-Duchess of Luxembourg (1896-1895)
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Jean de Nassau & de Bourbon de Parme, Grand-Duke of Luxembourg (1921) cousin of Anne
x Joséphine-Charlotte de Belgique (1953-2005)
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Nicholas received the Royal House's permission to attend the funeral of King Michael, according to his lawyer Radu Enache.
Reconciliere în familia Regală. Fostul principe Nicolae a primit ACORDUL de a participa la funeraliile Regelui Mihai - Mediafax

"He participates at the funeral. He received an official address from the Royal House that he has a place in the funeral protocol and will participate with his fiancé, Alina Maria Binder. The connection between the Royal House and Prince Nicholas will be through an official of the Royal House, Mr. Traian Sîrcă", said Radu Enache, the former Prince Nicholas' lawyer.
Fostul principe Nicolae participă la funeraliile regelui Mihai. Precizările avocatului său
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The Funerals are so long after the Anouncement that the Emotions stopped.
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