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Old 12-09-2003, 04:32 AM
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The fact, that he is so shy in public...and until now I haven´t noticed any thing, that indicates that Daniel is preparing himself for the future as prince. And Victoria had so less time for him in the last months.
But of course I can be wrong.
i missed that ... can you expand on it ?

I think there's an unofficial pause, or she's thrown herself into her work to get over a heart ache ?
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The fact, that he is so shy in public...and until now I haven´t noticed any thing, that indicates that Daniel is preparing himself for the future as prince. And Victoria had so less time for him in the last months.
But of course I can be wrong.
i missed that ... can you expand on it ?

I think there's an unofficial pause, or she's thrown herself into her work to get over a heart ache ?
I don´t think, that it is over. Always when we think it´s over she´s probably weaseling secretly to him in the flat...and a few weeks later new pictures appear.
I´m just thinking, that Victoria is a workaholic (it´s said he is one too), and THAT could IMO endanger their relationship.
And that with Daniel and preparing for a possible role as prince...I mean I don´t know if he´s preparing, but I haven´t noticed anything. And IMO he has a lot to prepare...polish his english (other languages e.g french or german), learning basic facts about the state "Sweden" , learning etiquette, educate himself... I´m not sure, if Mette Marit did these things. But this situation is compareable. All the other girls of the european crown princes were either noble (princess Mathilde) or business women (Maxima, Mary, Letizia). At least Daniel hasn´t to learn the language of the country(like Mary and Maxima)

So this is my 999. post. I will have a break and fulfill the 1000.post , when the nobel prize award starts. :woot:
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Victoria and Daniel in Ockelbo on friday april 9...



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Daniel Westling, 30, visar för första gången i Expressen öppet sin kärlek till kronprinsessan.
Men påskpussen i Ockelbo hade kungen och drottningen helst velat slippa se.
Orsaken: Gymägaren ses inte som en lämplig make, enligt en källa vid hovet.

Kronprinsessan Victoria och Daniel Westling firade påsken i Ockelbo - här på vårpromenad.
- Om kungen inte gillar Daniel så befinner han sig i en tuffare situation än vanliga svenska män som har en blivande svärfar emot sig, säger Gunnel Beskow, psykoterapeut.
På långfredagen dök de upp i Daniel Westlings barndomsstad för att fira påsk tillsammans.
Men numera är det inte många som höjer på ögonbrynen när paret kommer sida vid sida i den gassande vårsolen. Kronprinsessan är ett bekant ansikte i lilla Ockelbo, där hon och pojkvännen tillbringar mycket av sin lediga tid.

"För låg allmänbildning"
Men deras kärlek ses inte med blida ögon av kungaparet.
Som Expressen tidigare berättat ser kungen och drottningen helst att förhållandet mellan Daniel Westling och kronprinsessan Victoria tar slut.
Orsaken är, enligt källan, att kungaparet tycker att Daniel Westling har dålig social kompetens och att hans allmänbildning är för låg.
Men trots motståndet spirar vårkänslorna mellan kronprinsessan och hennes Daniel. I påskvärmen går paret hand i hand; skrattar och ler, tisslar och tasslar. Och för första gången i Expressen visar Daniel Westling öppet sin kärlek till kronprinsessan.
Plötsligt stannar han till, tittar sin älskade i ögonen - och ger henne en påskpuss på kinden. Kronprinsessan skrattar och kramar pojkvännens hand.
Men när Expressen träffar paret försvinner Daniel Westling från platsen omgående. Precis som vid sin egen 30-årsskiva. Kvar står kronprinsessan.
Ensam.
- Är ni här!? Är ni inte hemma och firar påsk!? skrattar hon.
Kronprinsessan och Daniel ser kära ut?
- Tycker du? Daniel går ju 50 meter framför mig (skratt).
Sedan tillägger hon:
- Nej, det går bra.
Vad har kronprinsessan och Daniel gjort i Ockelbo?
- Inte särskilt mycket. Bara tagit det lugnt.
Sedan jagar kronprinsessan ikapp sin Daniel. De greppar varandras händer och fortsätter sin kärlekspromenad.

"Inga synpunkter om Daniel"
Att Daniel Westling skulle ha fått direktiv av kungaparet att inte vara vid sidan av sin flickvän i möten med journalister, dementerar Morgan Gerle, informatör vid hovet:
- Nej, det finns inget sånt direktiv från oss. Vi arbetar bara med de personer som ingår i kungliga huset; kronprinsessans vänner är hennes privata vänner.
Retar det hovet att Daniel Westling uppträder som han gör?
- Nej. Fast jag har inga synpunkter på någonting som handlar om Daniel Westling som du nämner.
Gunnel Beskow, psykoterapeut, säger att det finns förklaringar till Daniels Westlings beteende.
- Om kungen nu säger - vilket jag inte vet att det är sant - att Daniel inte är en värdig person för hans dotter, så krymper han ju.

Terapi skulle hjälpa
Daniel Westling befinner sig i en mycket svår situation, enligt Gunnel Beskow.
- Hade kungen sagt: "Vilken trevlig kille", ja då hade Daniel förstås stått kvar vid sidan av sin flickvän.
Hon tillägger:
- Men även om kungen och drottningen inte skulle ha något emot Daniel, så är det ändå ett livsval - att andligen och kroppsligen alltid befinna sig en meter bakom en person, det vill säga kronprinsessan.
Samtalsterapi skulle kunna hjälpa kronprinsessans pojkvän, tror Gunnel Beskow.
- Han befinner sig i en utvecklingsprocess och skulle kanske behöva några samtal med mig, så han vet var han står någonstans.
Hovets presschef Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg har tidigare konfronterats med uppgifterna att kungaparet inte anser att Daniel Westling är lämplig för kronprinsessan.
Då sa hon:
- Det här är en sak vi inte kommenterar. Jag vill inte ha några synpunkter på honom som person.
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Old 04-11-2004, 08:50 AM
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Hovets presschef Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg har tidigare konfronterats med uppgifterna att kungaparet inte anser att Daniel Westling är lämplig för kronprinsessan.
The courts presschef is to look if Daniel is suitable for Victoria???
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A knife in Dennis`heart!!!

It seems as if Victoria would defend her love...in a way these pics surprised me a bit...I haven´t thought, that they are still that happy (ok, a kiss on the cheeks isn´t something special...but obviously they like/love each other)
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The courts presschef is to look if Daniel is suitable for Victoria???
No! The both spokesmen of the court don´t want to advance their opinion about Daniel Westling. It´s only Expressen, which comes up again and again with the rumours, that the king and the queen don´t want Daniel as husband for Victoria.
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BTW how many trucker-caps does DanielII own...?!
Maybe Daniel feels cheated because in his potential future role as Queen consort he won't get to wear all the pretty and bejewelled tiaras the other consorts get to wear, so he is wearing his "own" version of the tiara! :P

Also, someone mentioned about the Swedish press chief looking into Daniel's life and background. (Whether or not this is made up by Expressen or not.) I think this is pretty normal in royal families to look into the past of a potential royal family member. Even more important and significant in Daniel's case as their children will succeed Victoria to the throne. Isn't this what happened with Mabel Wisse Smit? That upon further government scrutiny and investiagation her past came out and her former relationship with the mob boss was unearthed. I am sure that Mary, Letizia, and before them, Maxima, Mathilde, Mette-Marit, Masako's pasts were also looked into, we just may not know about it.
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Does this mean, that we will see a prince Daniel in the future, who comes to the Nobel prize award with a cap (with his Royal monogramme on it )??

You said, members of the government...I´m sure, that the government does a check-up with every Royal-to-be. And they probably take it more serious, when they see, that the people (future voters&#33 disrelish the "new" Royal.
But who is the court...the spokesmen, the advisors, the servants, the ladies in waiting, noble and high society people in Sweden, relatives of the Royal couple, the Royal couple together, or only the king??... I guess what Expressen means is the opinion of the Royal couple (probably the only opinion which "counts at the "court") ...and there I can´t imagine, that the Royal couple is against a gym trainer as prince consort. I mean, if we are honest...the king isn´t an intellectual himself...he also rather prefers sports than reading fiction of exalted authors. And I´m sure, that Expressen is exaggerating, when they say, that he (Daniel W.) doesn´t know an single modern swedish author, or that he can´t speak english very good. He went 11 years to school, and I´m sure in most of these years he had lessons in english at his school(s)!
But I can imagine, that the Royal couple has some doubts, and maybe thinks, that there would be a better choice out there. But I don´t think, that they would ask Victoria to stop dating Daniel...

Now I (as Dennis supporter) feel a little bit guilty....but I´ve to say, that I just try to be fair.
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Does this mean, that we will see a prince Daniel in the future, who comes to the Nobel prize award with a cap (with his Royal monogramme on it )??
A baseball cap with a royal monogram on it would be something different. I guess it would have to be black though for a balck tie affair, like the Nobel Prize or something ... :P And a royal monogramed fedora for less formal occasions ...

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You said, members of the government...I´m sure, that the government does a check-up with every Royal-to-be. And they probably take it more serious, when they see, that the people (future voters&#33 disrelish the "new" Royal.
But who is the court...the spokesmen, the advisors, the servants, the ladies in waiting, noble and high society people in Sweden, relatives of the Royal couple, the Royal couple together, or only the king??...
I was just commenting in general that when a Crown Prince (Princess in this case) is seriously interested in someone and that that someone might be the King/Queen consort there is probably some looking into their background. Whether it is by the government or members of the royal court, advisors/lawyers, etc. who do it, I am not sure. Maybe it is different in every country? In the Netherlands it seems the government is involved a lot with the royal family (Mabel-gate, Margarita-gate, etc.), but in Sweden it seems government involvement is much less so, but I am not sure.
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Well normally the government would check wether a future spouse of a reigning royal could be a serious threat to te state. (e.g. a spy, a criminal etc.) In the Netherlands the secret service "checked" the princesses to be in advance. So i think the government in Sweden would do a check up too and they might have the secret service check a future royal. Finally if the secret service would find something unappropriate they might say no. And of course they might tell the current king why they decided no! Just no would be unfair. I think that the Netherlands did not handle the "mable-gate affair" quite good!
Also a spy or a criminal as a spouse would not fit quite good for a head of state.
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How is the secret service in Sweden called...I think I´ve never heard of a secret service in Sweden (isn´t it commissar Wallander, who does all the work )...it´s not easy for me to imagine that such a little peaceful country as Sweden has a secret service...but they probably have. And when the past of the future prince consort is their only sorrow-good.
Daniel II a spy and criminal...I think Dennis would cry out of happiness, if it would be this way (yeah Dennis...maybe he´s a member of the russian mafia and has blackmailed all the other gyms in Stockholm ). Well, I doubt, that Mr. Westling has a criminal past...he´s probably as innocent as a new born baby (at least when we talk about delinquency)...I think his boring character is rather a danger for the monarchy...but we will see.
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Well Sweden is a leading exporter of military goods, as far as I know. They sell their military equipment worldwide to nearly everyone who can pay. As they are neutral in military sense its much easier for them to sell than for other countries. It is said that the money thats included with the nobel prizes (included the peace prize) comes from revenues of selling weapons. Even if i think this is an pervert idea.
So it it would be a essentially good idea to have a secret service. And if nobody knows even better.

BtW: I never said that someone is a criminal or a spy!
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I´m not surprised that Sweden as neutral country produces weapons for other countries. Neutral countries were always indirectly involved in military conflicts of other countries and will probably always be... but to discuss this would last very long and is really OT.
I´ve thought the prize money at the Nobel prize award is paid of the interest of Alfred Nobel´s fortune (which is already ironical enough...I mean Alfred Nobel has invented the dynamite...which you can´t really link to peace). But who actually pays the ceremony itself...the government or better said the taxpayers...and the arms manufacturer are probably "good" taxpayers...(?)

I didn´t want to say or claim that Daniel W. is a spy or criminal...that´s why I wrote "if it WOULD be this way"...
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I´ve thought the prize money at the Nobel prize award is paid of the interest of Alfred Nobel´s fortune (which is already ironical enough...I mean Alfred Nobel has invented the dynamite...which you can´t really link to peace).
While Nobel was aware of the military usage of dynamite, he was very much against it. He was a pacifist. He believed in its usage in construction.
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Originally posted by Dennism+Apr 11th, 2004 - 7:46 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dennism @ Apr 11th, 2004 - 7:46 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lena@Apr 11th, 2004 - 8:36 pm

I´ve thought the prize money at the Nobel prize award is paid of the interest of Alfred Nobel´s fortune (which is already ironical enough...I mean Alfred Nobel has invented the dynamite...which you can´t really link to peace).
While Nobel was aware of the military usage of dynamite, he was very much against it. He was a pacifist. He believed in its usage in construction. [/b][/quote]
You´re of course right...it´s not just his idea of a peace award, but also his great dedication to the peace movement, which made him to a real pacifist. But this doesn´t change the irony and his tragic role in history. In his opinion his invention should have helped people, but though it´s a fact, that it destroyed a lot of lifes too...
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While Nobel was aware of the military usage of dynamite, he was very much against it. He was a pacifist. He believed in its usage in construction.
I&#39;m slightly cynical ... I wonder if Nobel became a pacifist before or after he made hsi billions.
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How is the secret service in Sweden called...I think I´ve never heard of a secret service in Sweden (isn´t it commissar Wallander, who does all the work&nbsp; )...it´s not easy for me to imagine that such a little peaceful country as Sweden has a secret service...but they probably have.
Swedish talent with signals intelligence helped little Finland hold out against big Stalin and Sweden was a major funnel of intelligence from Nazi Europe to the UK. The Danes and the Swedes colluded very quickly to transfer the vast bulk of Denmark&#39;s Jewish population to Sweden essentially overnight. More recently, the SAAB 37 Viggen interceptor had a shared information feature that was top secret.

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The Swedes also have a serious arms export policy. The SAAB 37, to my awareness, was not exported although it was the best 35 000 lb. fighter of its day (don&#39;t laugh, the Phantom weighed over 40 000 lbs. and manouvered like a furniture van). The SAAB 35 Draken was exported to few countries and it was the best of its day.
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