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Old 05-30-2011, 03:44 AM
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Madeleine von Schweden: Wendet sie sich von ihren Eltern ab? - BUNTE

Article about Madeleine staying in NY because she is annoyed with her parents, in particular her father, who allegedly forced her to end her relation with Jonas because of his infidelity.
Madeleine obviously only realised later on that her father is supposed to be the King of Infidelity, still married, and feels restricted by his hypocracy. Who knows, maybe Madeleine wanted to forgive Jonas and still marry him, wanting to move on but only ended the relation under pressure from her family, for image reasons (not knowing what would explode in their faces only a year later, because of the King).

She does have a point but is not consistent. Reminds me of Princess Margaret, who gave up the love of her life under pressure and because she wasnt ready to give up the title (and was unhappy all her life). Dont think Madeleine is either although there are examples in modern times (Martha Louise, Friso) where it has been done, leading to happiness of those involved.

I see Madeleine as very spoilt, wants to have the best of both worlds and is not used to making sacrifices. If she wanted Jonas, she could have married him against her parents will but it seems she wasnt sure herself or not willing to give up privileges, or she simply didnt have the guts to do so. At the end of the day, all is down to Madeleine, not to her parents or a responsibility towards a title that is unimportant in the big pictures, like in Norway or the Netherlands.
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Madeleine von Schweden: Wendet sie sich von ihren Eltern ab? - BUNTE

Article about Madeleine staying in NY because she is annoyed with her parents, in particular her father, who allegedly forced her to end her relation with Jonas because of his infidelity.
Madeleine obviously only realised later on that her father is supposed to be the King of Infidelity, still married, and feels restricted by his hypocracy. Who knows, maybe Madeleine wanted to forgive Jonas and still marry him, wanting to move on but only ended the relation under pressure from her family, for image reasons (not knowing what would explode in their faces only a year later, because of the King).

She does have a point but is not consistent. Reminds me of Princess Margaret, who gave up the love of her life under pressure and because she wasnt ready to give up the title (and was unhappy all her life). Dont think Madeleine is either although there are examples in modern times (Martha Louise, Friso) where it has been done, leading to happiness of those involved.

I see Madeleine as very spoilt, wants to have the best of both worlds and is not used to making sacrifices. If she wanted Jonas, she could have married him against her parents will but it seems she wasnt sure herself or not willing to give up privileges, or she simply didnt have the guts to do so. At the end of the day, all is down to Madeleine, not to her parents or a responsibility towards a title that is unimportant in the big pictures, like in Norway or the Netherlands.
Sometimes I'm wondering if Victoria is really Carl Philip's and Madeleine's sister, it for sure has to do with her being the heir, but she seems to have so much more responsibility to her status than her siblings do.

I'm not sure if I believe this "parents forced her to break up with Jonas" stuff. I mean if she really loved him and was over him cheating on her, she would have marry him anyway, maybe not straight away but after a few years when the interest would calm down a bit. I think the break up had more to do with it becoming a public knowledge, hurted ego and being publicly humiliated, then with her parents pushing her into something. If she married against the will of her parents and lost her privileges, well she'll loose them at some point anyway. Looking at the current royal houses, most of the non heirs have to work to provide for themselfs and their families. It's just a matter of time when this applies also to Madde & CP. She's third in line, once Victoria & CP have children she'll be pushed even further.

I don't think her current lifestyle will be tolerated much longer. She'll have to choose if she wants to enjoy her anonymous live in US, this time on her own expences, or if she'll return to Sweden and work for the money she's getting now for free. I think there's also a lot of work she could do in Sweden in the field she seems to be interested in.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:14 PM
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If she isn't planning on coming back to Sweden anytime soon then she is just not planning on coming back yet. This just sounds like a convenient excuse made up by either the media wanting a story or Madeleine justifying the stay in New York. If you look at the reason given for going to New York it was first that she was mad at daddy for making her end it, then upset with the media coverage and the public humiliation, then it was because she doesn't approve of Carl Philips girlfriend, and now shes mad at daddy again?
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it would be really nice if Victoria got pregnant so these two and their lives would not get so much focus ..i mean i like Madeline and her brother but this scrutiny over both is silly ..

frankly i dont blame madeleine for not wanting to go back if my father acted like that towards my mother. i would not want to be in the same county as him as well
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Yes, that would be a - temporary - solution to several problems.

On the surface, these families appear to be solid, but it just takes one of them to step out of line and destroy the "house of cards".
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I don't know how Victoria stood to throw this hypocrite a birthday party. As for Madeleine, I wouldn't want to be around him either. This whole family, with the exception of Victoria and Daniel, is coming apart at the seams. CP has his girlfriend, whom no one, with the exception of Victoria, who's been there herself, can barely tolerate. He spends his time racing cars. Then, there's Madeleine, involved with another guy who lives life in the fast lane. It's a recipe for another fall. But the one I really feel sorry for is Queen Sylvia, having to keep up the facade when I am sure she is completely beaten down by all this.
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Yes, that would be a - temporary - solution to several problems.

On the surface, these families appear to be solid, but it just takes one of them to step out of line and destroy the "house of cards".
The problem with Swedish royal family is that there are several members who are steping out of line at the same time and the avalanche of problems just keeps going and growing. It'll be interesting to see if and how they can stop it. So far all the attempts have failed. When there is much more talk about your private life then about your work, you know there is something wrong...and this currently goes for 4 out of 6 members of SRF.

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I don't know how Victoria stood to throw this hypocrite a birthday party. As for Madeleine, I wouldn't want to be around him either. This whole family, with the exception of Victoria and Daniel, is coming apart at the seams.
He's her father, no matter what he did, he still is and will be her father. Since so many close family members were there he can't be such a bad person in his family circle or he and his actions are at least tolerated by them.

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CP has his girlfriend, whom no one, with the exception of Victoria, who's been there herself, can barely tolerate. He spends his time racing cars. Then, there's Madeleine, involved with another guy who lives life in the fast lane. It's a recipe for another fall. But the one I really feel sorry for is Queen Sylvia, having to keep up the facade when I am sure she is completely beaten down by all this.
In the long run there are several victims in SRF, not just Silvia. As a mother she simply has to accept that her children have their own lives and make their own choices, although they might not be the right ones. As a wife, she made her choice too, what were the reasons no one knows and probably no one will know, she decided to stay with CG and that's why I don't feel sorry for her, every choice has it's consequences and they are not always nice.
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Old 05-31-2011, 08:29 AM
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hmm sorry, im too lazy to go through all 16 pages, but what the King did? i really dont know whats going on.
i know of Madeleine's issues and her brother CP too, but i dont nothing about the King and Queen.
seems that Victoria and Daniel are the most loved in Sweden. and that love will grow even more after they become parents
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hmm sorry, im too lazy to go through all 16 pages, but what the King did? i really dont know whats going on.
i know of Madeleine's issues and her brother CP too, but i dont nothing about the King and Queen.
seems that Victoria and Daniel are the most loved in Sweden. and that love will grow even more after they become parents
The King has been accused of having an affair and links with criminals. It looks like it may be at least partly true, at least the part about the affair (he only said he had 'talked to his family about it' and it was 'time to turn the page'). A TV station now claims to have seen incriminating photos and more than half of Swedes want him to step down over the next 5-10 years.
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The King has been accused of having an affair and links with criminals. It looks like it may be at least partly true, at least the part about the affair (he only said he had 'talked to his family about it' and it was 'time to turn the page'). A TV station now claims to have seen incriminating photos and more than half of Swedes want him to step down over the next 5-10 years.

But why all the fuss now?

There's been rumors about the King's infidelities for many years; in fact, he's probably less likely to have as many affairs now, since he's quite elderly.

If it's been tacitly accepted for such a long time, I don't understand why all of a sudden it's a problem?
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:53 AM
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But why all the fuss now?

There's been rumors about the King's infidelities for many years; in fact, he's probably less likely to have as many affairs now, since he's quite elderly.

If it's been tacitly accepted for such a long time, I don't understand why all of a sudden it's a problem?
Exactly but it would be, as the magazines suggest, very hypocritical to ask your daughter to call off an engagement because of infidelity from the groom's side, for image reasons, while being unfaithful yourself for ages. Only after Madeleine split from Jonas the various scandals of the King have come to light.

Although there have been rumours about CG for decades, for the wider public his marriage to Silvia was being presented as a sugary fairytail.
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The King has been accused of having an affair and links with criminals. It looks like it may be at least partly true, at least the part about the affair (he only said he had 'talked to his family about it' and it was 'time to turn the page'). A TV station now claims to have seen incriminating photos and more than half of Swedes want him to step down over the next 5-10 years.
ohhh i see!!! then we have a possible abdication??? it would be possible for it to happen sooner if the bad reviews gets stronger, and Victoria would be Queen sooner than we expect
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ohhh i see!!! then we have a possible abdication??? it would be possible for it to happen sooner if the bad reviews gets stronger, and Victoria would be Queen sooner than we expect
I don't think so, unless he'll be forced to and I'm not even sure if he'll abdicate in that case. He's planning to die with the crown on his head since it's a tradition, Swedish Kings do not abdicate.
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Personally, I truly hope he does not or is not forced to abdicate because Crown Princess Victoria REALLY needs time to have a family and get to have some time with them. BUT, I wish she and Daniel would make an announcement soon. Time is not on their side. I truly hope that Daniel's anti-rejection medication is not a problem. However, I am sure that his doctor would have provided for saved sperm if that were going to be the case.
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i didnt know that its a tradition to not abdicate but die with the crown instead^^ i think most of monarchies do that too, being The Netherlands an exception.
so Victoria will have to wait. but its better, that way she will focus more on her private life, aka: husband and children!

cant wait to see the first baby born since 1982 (the birth of madeleine) on the Swedish royal family. Madeleine as an aunt, that would be cute to see!
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But why all the fuss now?

There's been rumors about the King's infidelities for many years; in fact, he's probably less likely to have as many affairs now, since he's quite elderly.

If it's been tacitly accepted for such a long time, I don't understand why all of a sudden it's a problem?
All this fuss now is because it's only been explicitly said now or recently (the books, the woman interviewed). The more worrying aspect is the association with criminals. As for the infidelity, I don't condone it but it's a matter between him and the Queen.
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There is no way that I believe Madeleine was reluctant to break up with Jonas after he publically humiliated her.

She comes off as immature, but terribly proud. I read elsewhere that she refused to even take his calls when he was begging for forgiveness.

I think the real reason that she fled Sweden was to escape the merciless tabloid speculation on her private life.
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^i totally agree with you Moonmaiden23^^
shes not a women to beg to forgive a immature and stupid boyfriend who humiliated for cheating on her with her friend..
sorry, but even i wouldnt tolerate such bastard.
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^i totally agree with you Moonmaiden23^^
shes not a women to beg to forgive a immature and stupid boyfriend who humiliated for cheating on her with her friend..
sorry, but even i wouldnt tolerate such bastard.
well, that is exactly what her mother does now...
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Forgive me, but the idea of a KING being asked to abdicate because of an affair strikes me as absurd. Other than his family, who cares??

I can see Americans demanding that of their President because he doesn't live up to their "family values"...but not a Scandinavian King in a country as sophisticated as Sweden.

There'd be no monarch's if everyone who cheated was forced to abdicate.(Juan Carlos, Albert II...to name a couple)

I think the discontent in Sweden with King CG has more to do with rumors of his involvement with shady people and organized crime.
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