Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 2: April 2012 - June 2014

[NGalitzine]

Has western society degenerated that much that we can't look at a piece of skin anymore without thinking of sex?
Is the problem with the piece of skin here or with your way of thinking?

Yes, for some more puritanical westerners nudity or partial nudity immediately implies sex, although generally this rule only applies to female flesh. A topless male does not excite the same passions, which is probably why courts in Ontario ruled it is perfectly legal for a bare breasted woman to walk down the same public streets as a bare chested man. Bare flesh only implies sexuality if you want it to, if not it is just bare flesh and nothing to get too worked up about.

 

[Andolini]

Yes, for some more puritanical westerners nudity or partial nudity immediately implies sex, although generally this rule only applies to female flesh. A topless male does not excite the same passions, which is probably why courts in Ontario ruled it is perfectly legal for a bare breasted woman to walk down the same public streets as a bare chested man. Bare flesh only implies sexuality if you want it to, if not it is just bare flesh and nothing to get too worked up about.

I am from the United States and to a point I agree with you, but not all of us are like that. Here what disturbs me is the equating of sex and violence in American films. Hollywood gets all up in arms about nudity, then turns around and allows such over the top violence it's sickening. But I agree, there is a double standard. My husband is French and he has been to plenty of beaches like Nice where nudity is common, yet when I first knew him I was taken aback. I'm better now LOL

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Yes, for some more puritanical westerners nudity or partial nudity immediately implies sex, although generally this rule only applies to female flesh. A topless male does not excite the same passions, which is probably why courts in Ontario ruled it is perfectly legal for a bare breasted woman to walk down the same public streets as a bare chested man. Bare flesh only implies sexuality if you want it to, if not it is just bare flesh and nothing to get too worked up about.

I can't speak for any "puritanical westerners", but for me a young nude woman with her legs apart across the front seat of a convertible implies sex. Same thing when she is nude and on her knees handcuffed behind her back as she gazes provocatively at the camera over her shoulder.

Those are just a couple of the poses Sofia has done. If they don't "imply sex" and are not intended to be provocative and sexually stimulating what are you suggesting is the point of them...advertisement for pasta? Ikea furniture?

It's very disingenuous, not to mention tiresome, to keep coming here and reading the implication that those of us who find SH's "glamour" modeling distasteful are prudes who have a problem with nudity.

That's not the case at all. I have spent two thirds of my life living in one of the most liberal cities in the nation, exposed to everything under the sun. If it was anyone else, the type of photography SH did would be described as exactly what it is.... soft pornography.

 

[Andolini]

I can't speak for any "puritanical westerners", but for me a young nude woman with her legs apart across the front seat of a convertible implies sex. Same thing when she is nude and on her knees handcuffed behind her back as she gazes provocatively at the camera over her shoulder.

Those are just a couple of the poses Sofia has done. If they don't "imply sex" and are not intended to be provocative and sexually stimulating what are you suggesting is the point of them...advertisement for pasta? Ikea furniture?

It's very disingenuous, not to mention tiresome, to keep coming here and reading the implication that those of us who find SH's "glamour" modeling distasteful are prudes who have a problem with nudity.

That's not the case at all. I have spent two thirds of my life living in one of the most liberal cities in the nation, exposed to everything under the sun. If it was anyone else, the type of photography SH did would be described as exactly what it is.... soft pornography.

Legs splayed and handcuffs certainly do not imbue me with a sense of class or decorum. And I agree with you - I am certainly not a prude, but splayed legs and handcuffs??? Okay, whatever, but that's not my thing and that doesn't make me weird or a prude. Selective, yes. It is offensive to me as a woman. It is buying into the media objectifying women, and that's done enough already and needs to stop. If anything Sofia is doing that. And I don't like it. Period.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Exactly Andolini. It's Sofia herself who has objectified women, not those of us who have strong reservations about her. She only stopped because as Marengo pointed out, she and her handlers are on a mission to whitewash her and sell her as a worthy wife to a Royal prince.

It reminds me of Jay Z, after making a career and many millions of dollars writing song lyrics that reeked of misogyny and contempt for women suddenly deciding to stop...not because it was disgusting and wrong, but because HE had become the father of a daughter!

 

[HRHHermione]

Exactly Andolini. It's Sofia herself who has objectified women, not those of us who have strong reservations about her. She only stopped because as Marengo pointed out, she and her handlers are on a mission to whitewash her and sell her as a worthy wife to a Royal prince.

It reminds me of Jay Z, after making a career and many millions of dollars writing song lyrics that reeked of misogyny and contempt for women suddenly deciding to stop...not because it was disgusting and wrong, but because HE had become the father of a daughter!

Sofia has not "objectified women". Women do not objectify ourselves. Women are objectified when someone chooses to treat them as objects rather than as fully human, and all women deserve better than that.

 

[Andolini]

Exactly Andolini. It's Sofia herself who has objectified women, not those of us who have strong reservations about her. She only stopped because as Marengo pointed out, she and her handlers are on a mission to whitewash her and sell her as a worthy wife to a Royal prince.

It reminds me of Jay Z, after making a career and many millions of dollars writing song lyrics that reeked of misogyny and contempt for women suddenly deciding to stop...not because it was disgusting and wrong, but because HE had become the father of a daughter!

I remember that!!! My reaction was - why didn't he stop in the first place? I mean, okay, good for him, but it takes having a child??? Having a wife did not stop him? Last time I checked Beyonce is female LOL.

Sofia has not "objectified women". Women do not objectify ourselves. Women are objectified when someone chooses to treat them as objects rather than as fully human, and all women deserve better than that.

She posed willingly for those pics - but she is not responsible for objectifying women? How is that her choice not objectifying women?? Was she forced? She needs to take personal responsibility, no one forced her at gunpoint to do those things.

 

[HRHHermione]

She posed willingly for those pics - but she is not responsible for objectifying women? How is that her choice not objectifying women?? Was she forced? She needs to take personal responsibility, no one forced her at gunpoint to do those things.

Because she is a woman. Because even women who pose naked and are openly sexual still deserve to be treated as fully human, and the fact that she's chosen to pose does not excuse anyone who chooses to objectify her or to objectify other women.

 

[Princess Xenia]

I wouldn't mind a thing about Sofia. She is an independent woman who can do everything she wants. But when someone comes to the world's spotlight, he/she has to accept criticism, because it is the price of being famous.
I very much like to hear the couple's engagement if that is what they want , but I hate to see her doing charities in order to show herself as a worthy wife for a prince as Moonmaiden pointed out.
Every time I see her doing charities it only looks like she is doing it for getting attention that she does care for the good of the needy people, not that she does it from the bottom of her heart.
And that is disappointing.

 

[Andolini]

Because she is a woman. Because even women who pose naked and are openly sexual still deserve to be treated as fully human, and the fact that she's chosen to pose does not excuse anyone who chooses to objectify her or to objectify other women.

Of course I agree with that, that was not my point and I apologize if my post seemed murky. I was simply saying that no one forced her to do the pics so she is also responsible. The pics, to me, are lurid. Doesn't make me a prude. If she was forced in some way to do those then I feel sorry for her, but she is an adult and is responsible for the choices she makes in life. Splayed legs and handcuffs don't exactly project innocent sexuality to some people, like me.

 

[dbarn67]

Because she is a woman. Because even women who pose naked and are openly sexual still deserve to be treated as fully human, and the fact that she's chosen to pose does not excuse anyone who chooses to objectify her or to objectify other women.

"Because she's a woman" who wanted notoriety for her looks. She's as involved in her objectification as men. She is not a victim and I resent the implication that she's somehow being victimized when she's used her looks every step of the way, including as a prospective future princess of Sweden.

 

[Andolini]

"Because she's a woman" who wanted notoriety for her looks. She's as involved in her objectification as men. I'm she is not a victim. I resent the implication that she's somehow being victimized when she's used her looks every step of the way, including as a prospective future princess of Sweden.

That is what I was trying to say, but got tongue tied. Thank you

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Sofia has not "objectified women". Women do not objectify ourselves. Women are objectified when someone chooses to treat them as objects rather than as fully human, and all women deserve better than that.

Fair enough, but why be a party to it by active participation in the objectification? I assume that most women who choose to engage in pornography are not under duress.

SH is a reasonably intelligent female. She was not from an economically depressed background. She could have chosen to go to school and further her education, or even to pursue a career in modeling and television without the sleaze.

But since her stated goal was fame, the latter route must have appeared boring and dull.

No woman, or man for that matter, can choose to participate in something like that and claim that they are not promoting it(objectification and degradation of sexuality)

 

[Lady Claire]

I'm so confused. What pictures are we talking about?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Fair enough, but why be a party to it by active participation in the objectification? I assume that most women who choose to engage in pornography are not under duress.

SH is a reasonably intelligent female. She was not from an economically depressed background. She could have chosen to go to school and further her education, or even to pursue a career in modeling and television without the sleaze.

But since her stated goal was fame, the latter route must have appeared boring and dull.

No woman, or man for that matter, can choose to participate in something like that and claim that they are not promoting it(objectification and degradation of sexuality)

I agree.

I also agree with giving any person forgiveness and another chance.
I hope that Sofia's charity work is heartfelt and that she has learnt to love the self esteem and self respect that comes with working for the under privileged.
If Sofia and Carl-Philip become engaged she will forever have to live down her past reputation.
Carl-Gustav, for his behaviour while as a King of Sweden, to me, is guilty of far more abhorrent and disrespectful behaviour.
At least Sofia was not behaving very badly as a statesman with a family.
She was very young with parents who, to me, were totally remiss.

Carl-Philip is not in line to be King. Sofia's past will not be a burden.
She might have a sweet generous side to her.
Sofia will not bring down the Swedish Royal Family - they have been doing a good enough job of that for decades..

 

[LadyFinn]

I'm so confused. What pictures are we talking about?

Sofia has posed at provocative photos: nude photos when she was 16, with a snake in a bikini when she was 20. She was chosen as Miss Slitz (Slitz is a men's magazine). She has posed for nude photos also later and some provocative bikini photos. She has also attended at the TV-reality show "Paradise Hotel".

 

[Roslyn]

Sofia has posed at provocative photos: nude photos when she was 16, with a snake in a bikini when she was 20. She was chosen as Miss Slitz (Slitz is a men's magazine). She has posed for nude photos also later and some provocative bikini photos. She has also attended at the TV-reality show "Paradise Hotel".

That's the sum total of her offences?

 

[Ish]

That's the sum total of her offences?

I don't know if she's done more, but I can't find anything to indicate that she continued modeling after about 2005.

If I'm right on that, then I totally agree that a woman should be condemned forever for something that she did when she was in her late teens/early twenties (she was 21 in 2005), and should be denied the opportunity to be with a man that she didn't start dating until 4 or 5 years later, because obviously she gave it up only for him.

 

[LadyFinn]

There are quite interesting bikini photos of Sofia at a swedish website, according to the website they are taken in January 2010. Sofia moved to New York in 2005 and there are nude photos taken of her there.

 

[Ish]

There are quite interesting bikini photos of Sofia at a swedish website, according to the website they are taken in January 2010. Sofia moved to New York in 2005 and there are nude photos taken of her there.

If that's true then I stand corrected.

 

[Dman]

I think Sofia has moved on from all those pictures a while back. Don't seem like its a big deal to Carl Philip and the rest of the family. They have gotten to know her more personally than those who judge her from the outside.

 

[AristoCat]

I sincerely think her parents failed her, big time.

 

[blauerengel]

Just in case anyone is interested to know what sort of show "Paradise Hotel" is, just type it in youtube,there are many clips from the show. Unfortunately I do not understand Swedish,so I do not know more about the "concept" or storyline, but maybe someone can translate?
One short clip with Sofia Hellquist:Här är prinsens romans i Paradise Hotel - YouTube
Here she is also talking :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90bZbCNzKlU

 

[Bine221]

I have seen these Videos for the first time and - oh yeah - we definately can say, she had a past..... and in these modern Social Media times she cannot hide it or ask for the original version any more to destroy or safe it (oooh, happy past times , they are gone).

On the other hand she really, really tries to become a "better person" since, i.e. is practising charity, dresses better (and less open, thank god) and giving less interviews or being not toooooo much in the limelight (whereas some may not share my impression)....

Well, I have done some mistakes as well, when I was young (whereas not THOSE ones ). And as I see CP proposing this autumn, we should make our peace with her, if she is the selected one.

BYe Bine

 

[LadyFinn]

Sofia posed in New York for photographer Antoine Verglas.
Angelina Jolin » Blog Archive » Sofia Hellqvist Scoop Of The Day!

These photos have been circulating in internet. Everyone can see what kind of photos Verglas takes from his website.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

Sofia posed in New York for photographer Antoine Verglas.
Angelina Jolin » Blog Archive » Sofia Hellqvist Scoop Of The Day!

These photos have been circulating in internet. Everyone can see what kind of photos Verglas takes from his website.

Well this is who she really is. One can't hide for long.

 

[Lee-Z]

Sofia posed in New York for photographer Antoine Verglas.
Angelina Jolin » Blog Archive » Sofia Hellqvist Scoop Of The Day!

These photos have been circulating in internet. Everyone can see what kind of photos Verglas takes from his website.

I still think that we here seem to have a bigger problem with it than the swedish royal family...
And their cousin recently married a model too
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6146/5967062102_5446a01d6d_z.jpg

The most recent photoshoot of Sofia is still from 2010, that's a good 3 years ago.... and again: she's not going to be a queen, is she..,?

 

[angieuk]

I don't see a new girl coming into the picture now.

So rather than drag this out ---- quick engagement, quick marriage. And then the focus will be on her royal duties, and children. The past can then be left in the past.

Dragging out an engagement timeline just leaves more room for is she suitable/not suitable. Get on with it Carl, and have done with it!

 

[NGalitzine]

I wonder of the average Swede gets as worked up about Sofia and her past as the non-Swedish posters on this thread do? After all Swedish opinion is the only opinion that really matters here.

 

[Dman]

Lol, I don't think so.