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Old 09-23-2013, 10:02 AM
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With her past, Sofia would have trouble even finding a job in some fields or firms.
I dont get why people cant criticize her or even question her motivations. When sb accepts to pose nude, make out with a pornostar and do a reality, she puts herself in the limelight and she should accept the critics or opinions. If she wanted a private life, she shouldnt have done these things. She did them because she wanted to do them. Imo, she thought these things would have brought her fame, money and celebrity. She could have worked and studied but she didnt. And now these things that she thought could have helped them are damaging her image. They were the wrong choices but she made them, they werent forced on her.

I dont believe love cures it all, especially not when it is connected to a public role. It was also predictable that she would have been questioned, but she didnt keep the low-profile at all.
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:35 AM
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Thankfully it's up to the king and the goverment to deside if and when and under what circumstances they can get married - and as the king is a hypocrit, I see him withhold consent - that's what he still does IMHO.

To accept her as Philips Girlfriend is one thing - and to like her - to accept her as wife and make her HRH is another... it wouldn't be the first time in the history of the Bernadottes ...
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:28 AM
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I dont get why people cant criticize her or even question her motivations.
in the hundreds of posts in this thread, is there one person who said they agreed with her actions? I don't think so, so unless you're refering to other people away from these forums we don't know, i think what you don't 'get' is that 'willing to give her a chance to better her life' is not the same as 'cannot criticize or question her motivations'...
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:43 AM
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Right, I didn't like Sofia's past photos and I didn't have a problem her with participating on a reality show back in the day but I don't think all of that means that she's unworthy of being Prince Carl Philip's future wife and not worthy enough to take his royal title.

I think Prince Carl Philip's feelings should be taken into consideration. If the guy love his girlfriend and decided that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her- by getting married, sharing his royal title with her and carry out official engagements with her by his side- who am I to say he can't have that? Who am I to say she's not worthy or good enough to be a member of the royal family and be referred to as HRH?

I didn't agree with Camilla's past either and she did cause a great upset to many people and the palace but that's all in the past now. She's working hard as Charles's wife and future Princess Consort/Queen and she make Charles happy. Isn't that what counts? Isn't his happiness important? I think the same could apply to Prince Carl Philip of Sweden. His happiness is what's important in all of this and Sofia's. I think his family and friends understands this better than most.
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Old 09-23-2013, 11:55 AM
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Right, I didn't like Sofia's past photos and I didn't have a problem her with participating on a reality show back in the day but I don't think all of that means that she's unworthy of being Prince Carl Philip's future wife and not worthy enough to take his royal title.

I think Prince Carl Philip's feelings should be taken into consideration. If the guy love his girlfriend and decided that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her- by getting married, sharing his royal title with her and carry out official engagements with her by his side- who am I to say he can't have that? Who am I to say she's not worthy or good enough to be a member of the royal family and be referred to as HRH?

I didn't agree with Camilla's past either and she did cause a great upset to many people and the palace but that's all in the past now. She's working hard as Charles's wife and future Princess Consort/Queen and she make Charles happy. Isn't that what counts? Isn't his happiness important? I think the same could apply to Prince Carl Philip of Sweden. His happiness is what's important in all of this and Sofia's. I think his family and friends understands this better than most.
Of course Carl Philip's happiness is important. If he loves Sofia so much and he believes Sofia is the only woman for him, he can make a sacrifice, give away his HRH and prince title and live happily ever after as Mr Bernadotte with his mrs Bernadotte. He could think also the future of the monarchy and the example he gives to the people of Sweden. What kind of a message he and the royal family give to the girls and women in Sweden if Sofia will be a princess? That the most important thing for young women is to run after fame, party evening after evening, not to educate themselves, not to work full time?
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:06 PM
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Of course Carl Philip's happiness is important. If he loves Sofia so much and he believes Sofia is the only woman for him, he can make a sacrifice, give away his HRH and prince title and live happily ever after as Mr Bernadotte with his mrs Bernadotte. He could think also the future of the monarchy and the example he gives to the people of Sweden. What kind of a message he and the royal family give to the girls and women in Sweden if Sofia will be a princess? That the most important thing for young women is to run after fame, party evening after evening, not to educate themselves, not to work full time?
Aren't repentant sinners worthy of being forgiven? If they get married, and they aren't happy, or if her behavior is shocking the tolerant Swedes, then they can get divorced.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:12 PM
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Of course Carl Philip's happiness is important. If he loves Sofia so much and he believes Sofia is the only woman for him, he can make a sacrifice, give away his HRH and prince title and live happily ever after as Mr Bernadotte with his mrs Bernadotte. He could think also the future of the monarchy and the example he gives to the people of Sweden. What kind of a message he and the royal family give to the girls and women in Sweden if Sofia will be a princess? That the most important thing for young women is to run after fame, party evening after evening, not to educate themselves, not to work full time?
Why would Prince Carl Philip have to give up his HRH if he get engaged and married to Sofia? Why can't Sofia can't take his title as his wife?
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:32 PM
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in the hundreds of posts in this thread, is there one person who said they agreed with her actions? I don't think so, so unless you're refering to other people away from these forums we don't know, i think what you don't 'get' is that 'willing to give her a chance to better her life' is not the same as 'cannot criticize or question her motivations'...
I get what is the point, thanks for the explanation anyway... What I mean is that since she did what she did as her choice, people can say that she is not fit to represent a country without being accused of being bigots, slut-shaming or not getting what a poor victim she was.
And her life would be better even if she didnt get the title.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:35 PM
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Why would Prince Carl Philip have to give up his HRH if he get engaged and married to Sofia? Why can't Sofia can't take his title as his wife?
If you read the thread you would notice that question you just asked was answered many times and examples of what could be done and why were provided on almost every page.
I think those who are against her having a title expressed themselves clearly, many times.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:54 PM
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I just wanted to get it straight that I haven't seen evidence of the royal court or any other officials saying that if Prince Carl Philip of Sweden decides to get engaged and marry Sofia Hellqvist, that he would have to give up his HRH title because of his girlfriends past.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:59 PM
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I just wanted to get it straight that I haven't seen evidence of the royal court or any other officials saying that if Prince Carl Philip of Sweden decides to get engaged and marry Sofia Hellqvist, that he would have to give up his HRH title because of his girlfriends past.
Nobody said it's an evidence of Royal Court or any other officials saying so. Everyone was just expressing their own opinions on that subject, and it was stated clearly many times, that those were posters' personal opinions, not the official Royal Court's statements.

Again, if you read the thread, you would have noticed that.

You won't see anything on that matter, one way or the other, from the Royal Court or any other officials entitled to make such decision before the eventual wedding, and I am sure you know that.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:07 PM
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I get what is the point, thanks for the explanation anyway... What I mean is that since she did what she did as her choice, people can say that she is not fit to represent a country without being accused of being bigots, slut-shaming or not getting what a poor victim she was.
I and many others who are on the 'give a chance' team have never used these words you mentioned towards others here. But if the 'Sofia is wrong' team uses harsh words (as they did) other people are bound to respond with harsh words.

It's all about opinions here but if you are ready to dish it out, you should also be ready to get criticized.

On a side note: LOL at posts 1610 and 1611 :-)
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:36 PM
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I and many others who are on the 'give a chance' team have never used these words you mentioned towards others here. But if the 'Sofia is wrong' team uses harsh words (as they did) other people are bound to respond with harsh words.

It's all about opinions here but if you are ready to dish it out, you should also be ready to get criticized.

On a side note: LOL at posts 1610 and 1611 :-)
Or you can just choose to ignore them and move on. Easier and do not spoil the atmosphere here. After all we do not know each other here in real life and why care what others think when it does not concern us in reality? If it bothers, inform the mods and / or put such a person on an "ignore".

Oh, and BTW, if you re-read the thread, you will see such words were, in fact used.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:45 PM
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I'm looking forward to Carl Philip & Sofia's next appearance. It's always good to see them out and about.
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I'm looking forward to Carl Philip & Sofia's next appearance. It's always good to see them out and about.
I agree- she always has a merry and eager look about her, probably what has endeared her to her boyfriend and his family.
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I agree- she always has a merry and eager look about her, probably what has endeared her to her boyfriend and his family.
She has a merry, eager look because the cameras are on her.
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:38 PM
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Perhaps she has a merry look on her face because she's happy and the couple enjoy being together.
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Sofia is not a victim in no way, shape or form. It's an insult to women who are victims of coercion, bullying, slut shaming etc for an honest discussion of Sofia's merits as potential member of the SRF to be hijeckted by those so seek to make her into a pitiable victim of anyone who has issues with her career choices and her current behavior with respect to her eagerness for fame and attention from the press.

I'm sure she and CP are well suited to one another and I hope, if they get married that they have a long an happy married life. But lets not pretend that she'd walk into the SRF
without questions about character due to her past "career" choices. Millions of women
make the choices to purse their education or work in the work-a-day world rather than take their clothes off for money and fame.

Still, I agree with other who've said that as Victoria has more children the throne is secure both Madeleine and CP's family lives will become less important and less photographs. My wish for Sofia is that she pulls learns a bit of restrained dignity instead
of the images of her seeming like an over excited toddler whenever she sees camera. It's a learned behavior that hopefully she'll grow out of over time.
Thanks so much. People really don't understand offensive it can be to real people. Insightful post. Flowers: )
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Perhaps she has a merry look on her face because she's happy and the couple enjoy being together.
Perhaps and the fact that the cameras are on her. It's obvious she likes fame, I don't know why everyone else tries to avoid the obvious.
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I think we are moving in circles-unless the couple decides to change their relationship status or gets a new puppy dog, we will discuss the same questions and arguments over and over again....
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