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Old 09-20-2013, 10:25 PM
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Well, if they marry and spend 20 years together discreetly supporting the family, we'll know it was a genuine shift in priorities.

If they last a year and then she writes a tell all and gets her own reality show, we'll know it wasn't.

Time reveals all :)
Sadly i sense more of the later. Carl Philip is so blind. But you know how men are.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:13 AM
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I love how everyone on this board knows Sofia better than the actual people associated with her; and also happen to know what the RF thinks of her.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:34 AM
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There's no way she could have received this news gleefully. She isn't going to try to stay with this establishment when they obviously don't want her around.
She will stay as long as C-P wants her. He appears deeply bonded to her, I can't see him cutting her loose now just because she wasn't permitted to attend this latest event.

She attended the Magnusson wedding and Daniel's birthday party, both very recent events.

This latest "humiliation" might be the catalyst for C-P to propose, similar to when Prince Charles finally married Camilla when she was not permitted to sit with him at a society wedding.
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:38 AM
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Just want to say i tend to respect everyone's opinion. Doesn't mean I agree. But i respect your opinion amd that you have a right to that opinion. Now with that being said.... I simply think Sofia will have a hard time in the royal life. Id rather see CP with someone with less objections. That's all...
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Old 09-21-2013, 12:45 AM
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I love how everyone on this board knows Sofia better than the actual people associated with her; and also happen to know what the RF thinks of her.
I agree, but I think most royal girlfriends/boyfriends go through something similar. If you read the engagement thread of Mary Donaldson people called her an illiterate gold digger who set out with the intention of snagging a prince; Daniel Westling was compared very unfavourably to Victoria's previous boyfriend and especially to Madeleine's former boyfriend Jonas; and posters were quite nasty about Christopher O'Neill right up to the wedding day. It doesn't seem to take too long for opinions to change once posters have seen a royal wedding, some tiaras, nice gowns and a few orders and decorations.
As far as Sofia is concerned I am still waiting to read what actual Swedes think of her relationship with CP. Most posts seem to be from Americans and well that doesn't really carry much weight since she is a Swedish woman who may one day marry a Swedish prince so Swedish opinion is the only opinion that really matters.
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Old 09-21-2013, 05:15 AM
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Just want to say i tend to respect everyone's opinion. Doesn't mean I agree. But i respect your opinion amd that you have a right to that opinion. Now with that being said.... I simply think Sofia will have a hard time in the royal life. Id rather see CP with someone with less objections. That's all...
That´s certainly true, even if they get married,she receives a royal title and does some charity work, Sofia H. will have a really hard time. Keeping the private life private,doing some meaningful work and staying away from the press would be the best way to go IMO. People do not forget so quickly just because they see her in tiaras and elegant gowns.
If we look at some of the "unconventional" women who married into Royal families- they still have to struggle and work extra hard in order to get a positive feedback. CP Mette-Marit,Camilla,CP Letizia and also Mabel W.S constantly have to fight with negative headlines and mean-spirited comments about their personality and things of the past. In Spanish magazines CP Letizia is receiving a lot of hateful, mean and nasty reports with stories that are obviously completely made up and not even partly true and Camilla is forever demonised by some of the die-hard Lady Diana-supporters...
With Sofia H´s lifestyle and her love for the media she is quite an easy target.The only positive aspect is that the Swedish RF is not followed so much like the British RF and therefore they have more freedom and less paparazzi stalking than Catherine & William,Prince Harry and other members of the BRF.
I do not have anything against her personally,but I do not believe she would be a good role model for girls and there are many women who would do a better job at representing Sweden than a former soft-porn model.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:27 PM
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I also want to know what the Swedish people feel, they are the ones that matter after CP and his family of course. Like you I don't believe the majority on here are Swedish. I'm surprised that I didn't see a lot of this royal potential spouse hate towards Kate Middldton. Then again I wasn't on the board until 2011. I tremble to think about what was said about Mette Marit.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:58 PM
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There have been at least two Swedish posters recently and neither was exactly turning somersaults at the prospect of SH as the public face of the SRF.

A third Swede I met at the post office here in Los Angeles in June, and she was both disgusted and amused.
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:27 PM
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@NGalatzine

I also want to know what the Swedish people feel, they are the ones that matter after CP and his family of course. Like you I don't believe the majority on here are Swedish. I'm surprised that I didn't see a lot of this royal potential spouse hate towards Kate Middldton. Then again I wasn't on the board until 2011. I tremble to think about what was said about Mette Marit.
Oh, there was definitely lots of Kate hate before the engagement. Just peruse the old 'Kate and William relationship' threads and you'll see it.

Sofia is not the only one that has gone through this. Many of the royal girlfriends/boyfriends have been judged harshly. But once they've married into the royal family and people get to know them, opinions change (although some never do get over their dislike). So if Sofia marries CP, I imagine she'll become more acceptable and people will move on to the next "unsuitable" royal boyfriend/girlfriend.
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:36 PM
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There have been at least two Swedish posters recently and neither was exactly turning somersaults at the prospect of SH as the public face of the SRF.

A third Swede I met at the post office here in Los Angeles in June, and she was both disgusted and amused.
Well, i took the liberty of looking up the last swedish post here (i have the flu and nothing better to do ):
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I'm Swedish. I can't say that I care too much about pictures taken of Sofia in the past. My biggest problem is her participation in Paradise Hotel.
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Like many people here, I see an engagement announcement coming up very soon. I hope she has the guts to admit her past mistakes and do something genuine and honest in the future. If she does, I would be fine with her as Carl Philips wife.
I too noticed a lot of US-american participation in this thread, and while nobody applaudes Sofia's lifechoices, it seems there is one group of people willing to give her a chance if she admits to doing things wrong (and wanting to improve) and one group who judge her on her past and don't want her near the swedish royal family...
Although it's not black/white, the average US-poster seems to be in the second group

She has made some tacky choices, but maybe P.Carl Philip is into tack? Is she perhaps the ideal race car driver chick?
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:40 PM
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I think you have nailed it right Lee-Z.
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:46 PM
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Some "gossip" news about Carl Philip and Sofia:

http://a.cdn-expressen.se/ImageHandl...t=secondColumn
Stoppa pressarna quotes Expressen Extra's article. According to that Sofia wasn't at the King's list who the king wanted to be invited to the government dinner on Saturday (and obviously at other events too). That Sofia was invited to Madeleine's wedding, Annika Sönnerberg from the court press department says that Madeleine's wedding was more private, the media wasn't at the wedding dinner like in Victoria's and Daniel's wedding.
According to royal expert Sten Hedman the king very is careful to follow the rules in official contexts: It may seem a bit ridiculous but the king is always very fussy. Following the rules is important to him.
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What I find "ridiculous" is that the king is apparently willing to welcome SH with open arms, but opposed Daniel Westling for so many years??
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What I find "ridiculous" is that the king is apparently willing to welcome SH with open arms, but opposed Daniel Westling for so many years??
There is nothing ridiculous about it. Victoria is the Crown Princess which would make Daniel Westling a Crown Princess Consort and a Prince of Sweden, whereas Carl Philip is just third in line to the throne which would make Sofia Hellqvist only a Duchess of Whatever-CPs-Dukedom-is (can't remember it right now) and only if the king wants it a Princess of Sweden.

The disaster would have been way bigger if Daniel would have srewed up than when Sofia would screw up. For Daniel there was never a way out of the job "man next to the Crown Princess" whereas Sofia could choose to stay a private person (like Chris did when he married Madeleine) while Carl Philip continued to be a Prince of Sweden and do royal duties. Looking at things like this it's only logical that Daniel had to fight harder to show he's worth being the husband of his very own Princess.

I don't know why people never think about this when they compare Daniel to Sofia or Chris. Daniel simply can't be compared to them. He fell in love with a heir. Sofia and Chris didn't. It's as simple as that.
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:18 PM
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That´s certainly true, even if they get married,she receives a royal title and does some charity work, Sofia H. will have a really hard time. Keeping the private life private,doing some meaningful work and staying away from the press would be the best way to go IMO. People do not forget so quickly just because they see her in tiaras and elegant gowns.
If we look at some of the "unconventional" women who married into Royal families- they still have to struggle and work extra hard in order to get a positive feedback. CP Mette-Marit,Camilla,CP Letizia and also Mabel W.S constantly have to fight with negative headlines and mean-spirited comments about their personality and things of the past. In Spanish magazines CP Letizia is receiving a lot of hateful, mean and nasty reports with stories that are obviously completely made up and not even partly true and Camilla is forever demonised by some of the die-hard Lady Diana-supporters...
With Sofia H´s lifestyle and her love for the media she is quite an easy target.The only positive aspect is that the Swedish RF is not followed so much like the British RF and therefore they have more freedom and less paparazzi stalking than Catherine & William,Prince Harry and other members of the BRF.
I do not have anything against her personally,but I do not believe she would be a good role model for girls and there are many women who would do a better job at representing Sweden than a former soft-porn model.

Well first off. Flowers. Secondly tea with Elizabeth R and some glitter doesn't cure public opinion. CP of Norway has been married for years and her former bad behavior is still he primary thing she's even known for. Also just wanted to say in general that everyone on this forum are simply expressing opinions. (None of which are truly relevant. Lol ) so its no need to debate the right of an opinion. Just my opinion. :)

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What I find "ridiculous" is that the king is apparently willing to welcome SH with open arms, but opposed Daniel Westling for so many years??
At least Daniel was a business owner.
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Well first off. Flowers. Secondly tea with Elizabeth R and some glitter doesn't cure public opinion. CP of Norway has been married for years and her former bad behavior is still he primary thing she's even known for. Also just wanted to say in general that everyone on this forum are simply expressing opinions. (None of which are truly relevant. Lol ) so its no need to debate the right of an opinion. Just my opinion. :)

THANK YOU for that last part!
I haven't labelled SH supporters amoral lovers of sleaze, and I am more than a little fed up with the implication that those of us who don't feel she should be a representative of the SRF are righteous and intolerant.

I am not saying she is evil or bad, I simply don't think she's the best choice for the Royal house. I could be proven wrong, but I don't see any indication that she is not as thrilled with the limelight now as she was when she was doing reality TV and posing naked with handcuffs.
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THANK YOU for that last part!
I haven't labelled SH supporters amoral lovers of sleaze, and I am more than a little fed up with the implication that those of us who don't feel she should be a representative of the SRF are righteous and intolerant.

I am not saying she is evil or bad, I simply don't think she's the best choice for the Royal house. I could be proven wrong, but I don't see any indication that she is not as thrilled with the limelight as she was when she was doing reality TV and posing naked with handcuffs.
Finally someone who gets it ! I feel the same way. Im not saying burn her at the stake. Im just saying I don't admire her obvious Kardashian ways. Lol
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I fully agree as well!
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I fully agree as well!
Thanks Anne. I really appreciate it. Were all here to express our opinions. But it is nice when you don't feel like the only voice. :)
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There is nothing ridiculous about it. Victoria is the Crown Princess which would make Daniel Westling a Crown Princess Consort and a Prince of Sweden, whereas Carl Philip is just third in line to the throne which would make Sofia Hellqvist only a Duchess of Whatever-CPs-Dukedom-is (can't remember it right now) and onoly if the king wants it a Princess of Sweden.

The disaster would have been way bigger if Daniel would have srewed up than when Sofia would screw up. For Daniel there was never a way out of the job "man next to the Crown Princess" whereas Sofia could choose to stay a private person (like Chris did when he married Madeleine) while Carl Philip continued to be a Prince of Sweden and do royal duties. Looking at things like this it's only logical that Daniel had to fight harder to show he's worth being the husband of his very own Princess.

I don't know why people never think about this when they compare Daniel to Sofia or Chris. Daniel simply can't be compared to them. He fell in love with a heir. Sofia and Chris didn't. It's as simple as that.
Yes, it is understandable that Daniel was treated a little differently. But the king and the royal court treated Jonas and Emma the same way. Just after Sofia came into the picture everything changed.
Daniel, Emma and Jonas couldn't spend the Christmas Eve at the Royal Palace with Victoria, Carl Philip and Madeleine on Christmas 2008 (two months before Victoria and Daniel got engaged), because "only the family celebrates the Christmas Eve together", said Nina Eldh, who was then the director of the press department. But Sofia has been invited to christening, funeral and weddings of the royal family members.
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