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Old 09-09-2013, 11:48 AM
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Because she is a woman. Because even women who pose naked and are openly sexual still deserve to be treated as fully human, and the fact that she's chosen to pose does not excuse anyone who chooses to objectify her or to objectify other women.
"Because she's a woman" who wanted notoriety for her looks. She's as involved in her objectification as men. She is not a victim and I resent the implication that she's somehow being victimized when she's used her looks every step of the way, including as a prospective future princess of Sweden.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:50 AM
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"Because she's a woman" who wanted notoriety for her looks. She's as involved in her objectification as men. I'm she is not a victim. I resent the implication that she's somehow being victimized when she's used her looks every step of the way, including as a prospective future princess of Sweden.
That is what I was trying to say, but got tongue tied. Thank you
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:03 PM
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Sofia has not "objectified women". Women do not objectify ourselves. Women are objectified when someone chooses to treat them as objects rather than as fully human, and all women deserve better than that.
Fair enough, but why be a party to it by active participation in the objectification? I assume that most women who choose to engage in pornography are not under duress.

SH is a reasonably intelligent female. She was not from an economically depressed background. She could have chosen to go to school and further her education, or even to pursue a career in modeling and television without the sleaze.

But since her stated goal was fame, the latter route must have appeared boring and dull.

No woman, or man for that matter, can choose to participate in something like that and claim that they are not promoting it(objectification and degradation of sexuality)
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Old 09-09-2013, 02:19 PM
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I'm so confused. What pictures are we talking about?
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:57 PM
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Fair enough, but why be a party to it by active participation in the objectification? I assume that most women who choose to engage in pornography are not under duress.

SH is a reasonably intelligent female. She was not from an economically depressed background. She could have chosen to go to school and further her education, or even to pursue a career in modeling and television without the sleaze.

But since her stated goal was fame, the latter route must have appeared boring and dull.

No woman, or man for that matter, can choose to participate in something like that and claim that they are not promoting it(objectification and degradation of sexuality)

I agree.

I also agree with giving any person forgiveness and another chance.
I hope that Sofia's charity work is heartfelt and that she has learnt to love the self esteem and self respect that comes with working for the under privileged.
If Sofia and Carl-Philip become engaged she will forever have to live down her past reputation.
Carl-Gustav, for his behaviour while as a King of Sweden, to me, is guilty of far more abhorrent and disrespectful behaviour.
At least Sofia was not behaving very badly as a statesman with a family.
She was very young with parents who, to me, were totally remiss.

Carl-Philip is not in line to be King. Sofia's past will not be a burden.
She might have a sweet generous side to her.
Sofia will not bring down the Swedish Royal Family - they have been doing a good enough job of that for decades..
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:11 AM
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I'm so confused. What pictures are we talking about?
Sofia has posed at provocative photos: nude photos when she was 16, with a snake in a bikini when she was 20. She was chosen as Miss Slitz (Slitz is a men's magazine). She has posed for nude photos also later and some provocative bikini photos. She has also attended at the TV-reality show "Paradise Hotel".
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:15 AM
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Sofia has posed at provocative photos: nude photos when she was 16, with a snake in a bikini when she was 20. She was chosen as Miss Slitz (Slitz is a men's magazine). She has posed for nude photos also later and some provocative bikini photos. She has also attended at the TV-reality show "Paradise Hotel".
That's the sum total of her offences?
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:18 AM
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That's the sum total of her offences?
I don't know if she's done more, but I can't find anything to indicate that she continued modeling after about 2005.

If I'm right on that, then I totally agree that a woman should be condemned forever for something that she did when she was in her late teens/early twenties (she was 21 in 2005), and should be denied the opportunity to be with a man that she didn't start dating until 4 or 5 years later, because obviously she gave it up only for him.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:32 AM
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There are quite interesting bikini photos of Sofia at a swedish website, according to the website they are taken in January 2010. Sofia moved to New York in 2005 and there are nude photos taken of her there.
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There are quite interesting bikini photos of Sofia at a swedish website, according to the website they are taken in January 2010. Sofia moved to New York in 2005 and there are nude photos taken of her there.
If that's true then I stand corrected.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:52 AM
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I think Sofia has moved on from all those pictures a while back. Don't seem like its a big deal to Carl Philip and the rest of the family. They have gotten to know her more personally than those who judge her from the outside.
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I sincerely think her parents failed her, big time.
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Old 09-10-2013, 07:18 AM
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Just in case anyone is interested to know what sort of show "Paradise Hotel" is, just type it in youtube,there are many clips from the show. Unfortunately I do not understand Swedish,so I do not know more about the "concept" or storyline, but maybe someone can translate?
One short clip with Sofia Hellquist:
Here she is also talking :
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:04 AM
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I have seen these Videos for the first time and - oh yeah - we definately can say, she had a past..... and in these modern Social Media times she cannot hide it or ask for the original version any more to destroy or safe it (oooh, happy past times , they are gone).

On the other hand she really, really tries to become a "better person" since, i.e. is practising charity, dresses better (and less open, thank god) and giving less interviews or being not toooooo much in the limelight (whereas some may not share my impression)....

Well, I have done some mistakes as well, when I was young (whereas not THOSE ones ). And as I see CP proposing this autumn, we should make our peace with her, if she is the selected one.

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Old 09-10-2013, 12:46 PM
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Sofia posed in New York for photographer Antoine Verglas.
Angelina Jolin » Blog Archive » Sofia Hellqvist Scoop Of The Day!

These photos have been circulating in internet. Everyone can see what kind of photos Verglas takes from his website.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:49 PM
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Sofia posed in New York for photographer Antoine Verglas.
Angelina Jolin » Blog Archive » Sofia Hellqvist Scoop Of The Day!

These photos have been circulating in internet. Everyone can see what kind of photos Verglas takes from his website.
Well this is who she really is. One can't hide for long.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:07 PM
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Sofia posed in New York for photographer Antoine Verglas.
Angelina Jolin » Blog Archive » Sofia Hellqvist Scoop Of The Day!

These photos have been circulating in internet. Everyone can see what kind of photos Verglas takes from his website.
I still think that we here seem to have a bigger problem with it than the swedish royal family...
And their cousin recently married a model too
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6146/5...46a01d6d_z.jpg

The most recent photoshoot of Sofia is still from 2010, that's a good 3 years ago.... and again: she's not going to be a queen, is she..,?
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I don't see a new girl coming into the picture now.

So rather than drag this out ---- quick engagement, quick marriage. And then the focus will be on her royal duties, and children. The past can then be left in the past.

Dragging out an engagement timeline just leaves more room for is she suitable/not suitable. Get on with it Carl, and have done with it!
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I wonder of the average Swede gets as worked up about Sofia and her past as the non-Swedish posters on this thread do? After all Swedish opinion is the only opinion that really matters here.
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Lol, I don't think so.
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