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Old 09-07-2013, 12:01 PM
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It seems that people use the euphemism: 'glamour model' in the wrong way. Only wikipedia has a description of the term, namely:



Considering Sofia was totally naked in many pictures with open legs and such I think she went a step further down the road. Note that the last pictures were made just before she met the prince, so not when she was 16.

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In any case, her soft-pornographic photos are the least of the problem IMHO. Her hunger for fame & posing being the largest one. Added to that her attempt to white wash and window dress her past is almost insulting to any person who has a functioning brain.

In short, the lady does not seem to be sensere. Instead of facing the past and learn from it by starting a study etc. like Mette-Marit did, she simply tries to erase things and presents herself as the new mother Theresa (with a lot of help from the gossip press). What fools do they think we are?

Thank you, you have been far more eloquent than myself, you have captured perfectly how I feel. My 2 cents: just because nudity and modeling is common, doesn't make it right. My personal belief - JUST MINE - is that the types of modeling she has done, and others the same, objectify women.
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:40 PM
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Until the court announces after the possible engagement that she will be a princess, no one of us knows if she will ever be a princess.
I know that. What I wanted to say with this is that obviously her past is not an issue for the Prince. He instead prefers to move in with her and to include her into even family gatherings. She is accepted and until we do not hear opposite, she is girlfriend. So why the digging in her past? I simply don't understand this discussion.
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This young woman irks me. I don't know her, but I question both her motives and her sincerity. For example, she started a so called charity in Africa called "Project Playground" which is-so we hear-supposed to promote the welfare of children in developing African nations. There is a reality TV show tentatively titled "Siyakohlwa". Sofia has selected a few young girls from her charity to audition for the new show, and here is how she has chosen to present them:

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Project Playground » Blog Archive » Project Playground’s TV stars

I mean...is Sofia quite serious??! South Africa, with one of the highest records of sexual brutality toward female children on the planet? And this is how Sofia chooses to promote these beautiful little girls?

I rest my case. You can take the girl off reality TV, but you can't take the reality TV out of the girl. I think she is a disastrous choice for Sweden, but if in a few years I am proven wrong I will be here to publically apologize.
Okay, so I did a bit of googling and I think we've got some of the context of these pictures wrong.

First of all, I don't think we really have any reason to question the legitimacy of Project Playground as a charity. The website makes it look pretty legitimate. I understand why you would question how serious Sofia's involvement is, but that's a different issue. According to the charity's website Sofia is a co-founder and the president of the Swedish operations, and vice-president of the South African operations. Given as Sofia's based in Sweden, I would question how much day-to-day involvement she has with the operations in South Africa - I would think she'd be more involved in the raising money for the charity (which is what the Swedish operations are responsible for) side of things than the working with kids (which is what the South Africa operations are for) side of things.

Second of all, no where does it say that Sofia selected the kids' to be involved in Siyakholwa. Nor is it called a reality tv show. According to the show's Facebook page it "produces a series of foundational, educational, innovative and creative television programmes. This pioneering educational children’s television programme targets South African parents and their children of the foundation years in the age category of 5 - 12 years old." This isn't a reality tv show aimed at sexualizing young girls, it's a children's educational show that places emphasis on religion and (ironically) morality.

Looking through the photos on the show's FB page we see this:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...01203131_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...01203131_n.jpg

Which suggests that at a minimum the tops were likely chosen by the show and not the charity, but more likely the tops are either of a specific cultural significance or are just of a popular design/style in South Africa.

The show's Facebook page is here: https://www.facebook.com/SiyakholwaWeBelieve

And more about it can be found here: MediaHive: Siyakholwa
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Old 09-07-2013, 07:57 PM
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To start, I do agree with your points regarding the differences between models/actresses and royals. However, I think it's equally important to remember that Sofia stopped modeling before her relationship with Carl Philip was confirmed (or at least in so far as I can tell, but I will stand corrected if someone has information saying otherwise). This means that while she did previously have nude photos of her taken for a living, she ceased to do so when she became a prospective Princess.

I cited Helen Mirren as an example because she's someone who is respected, even though she's been nude or partially nude as the result of her career. The point is that we can respect actresses who have posed partially or fully nude at various points in their careers, so I don't understand why we can't respect a woman who once posed nude as a part of her career but no longer does so because her life has taken a different path.

Yes, Sofia's got a controversial past, but she's far from being the only royal bride (or prospective royal bride) to have skeletons on display. I mean, look at some of the other royals out there. In Monaco the monarch has two confirmed illegitimate children, in Belgium the recently abdicated monarch is going through a scandal right now related to his (alleged) illegitimate child, in Denmark the monarch's younger son is a man who is on his second marriage, in Luxembourg one of the monarch's sons had a child out of wedlock shortly before his 20th birthday, in the Netherlands the Queen's family had to be investigated for her father's role in the Dirty War, in Norway the CP is married to a woman who has a child from a prior relationship, the CP of Spain is also married to a divorced woman (not to mention everything else going on in Spain), and Britain... well just to start, 3 of the monarch's 4 children have been divorced, one of whom later married his very controversial mistress and another whom is frequently suspected of carrying on a relationship with his ex-wife.

With all of that in mind, is a prospective Princess, who is dating a man who isn't in the direct line of succession, with a past in nude modeling really all that bad?

As for the Africa pictures, I don't feel I know enough about the charity, Sofia's involvement, the context of the pictures themselves or the wardrobe - not to mention who chose the tops and for what reason they were chosen - to really form an opinion on them. That said, I do hesitate to condemn them simply because it's a tricky path between "dressing young girls in skimpy tops is inappropriate because they might get raped" and "young girls dressed in skimpy tops are asking to be raped." I do agree that the wardrobe of a young girl should be age appropriate and that the pictures don't seem age appropriate - however without more of a context... I mean, while I'm not a fan of it, I would be lying if I said that I never saw girls of that age range wearing similar outfits at certain points of the year, and I don't believe that they (or their parents) are doing so with rape in mind.
You forgot the one that comes closest to this situation : Princess Mabel. Remember the outcry that happened when her past as the girlfriend of a major mobster in Holland came out? Many of the same comments I'm seeing about Sofia. I also thought then what I think now about Sofia. The past is the past is the past and give the girl a chance.

I wonder how many people have been ashamed of the crap they slung Mabel's way in those early years since Friso's accident and passing. Not to mention the work she did for The Elders and Girls Not Brides over the last few years.

My point being, did Sofia do something stupid in the past, yes. However, that was the past. She's trying to make a change, which can't be easy w/the Media and many others waiting for Sofia to crash and burn so it can be crowed about to the rooftops. Give the girl a chance first.
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Which suggests that at a minimum the tops were likely chosen by the show and not the charity, but more likely the tops are either of a specific cultural significance or are just of a popular design/style in South Africa.
Is it possible that the tops are actually considered to be quite modest to the organisers and/or the charity? Perhaps in their community the girls would usually go about bare-breasted. Breasts are not seen as sexual objects in some cultures. It is Western influence on those cultures that has imposed that attitude.

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My personal belief - JUST MINE - is that the types of modeling she has done, and others the same, objectify women.
I agree with you. It does objectify women. But that doesn't mean she deserves to be ostracised for doing it. As for "glamour" photos, Grace Kelly did some provocative photo shoots back in the 50s. For example: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pAHzzoB72W...ce+Kelly14.jpg or these
http://thekidcollective.com/wp-conte...01-550x818.jpg yet she became a Princess. Yes they were not as risque as Sofia's, but they were certainly provocative for their time.

I think Sofia is being judged unduly harshly by some people here.
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:26 PM
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I agree with you. It does objectify women. But that doesn't mean she deserves to be ostracised for doing it. As for "glamour" photos, Grace Kelly did some provocative photo shoots back in the 50s. For example: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pAHzzoB72W...ce+Kelly14.jpg or these
http://thekidcollective.com/wp-conte...01-550x818.jpg yet she became a Princess. Yes they were not as risque as Sofia's, but they were certainly provocative for their time.

I think Sofia is being judged unduly harshly by some people here.
I never said she should be ostracised. And you do bring some good points for me to ponder. No one is perfect, least of all me! Regarding Mabel, she had begun her impressive career 8 years before marrying Friso - she co-founded a council for peace in the Balkans, she worked as an advocate for children caught in war zones, and she was named a "global leader for tomorrow", all before Friso.
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I think Sofia is being judged unduly harshly by some people here.
To be honest, I can't think of many that weren't judged harshly before marrying into the RF. Mette was considered unsuitable because of her background, Letizia had to deal with criticisms over her divorce, Kate was harshly criticized for her work history, and the list goes on. Over time though, they have all proven to be an asset to their respective royal families (although there are still some that dislike them and choose to harp on their pasts).

Right now Sofia's a mystery. There is very little to go on, so it's only natural that people will look at her past behavior. Once/if she marries CP, people will get to know her and their views of her just might change. Despite her past, they may realize that she could very well end up being a big asset to the SRF.
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Well put soapstar, and very true.

I am going to hope my strong misgivings about SH prove incorrect.
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Despite her past, they may realize that she could very well end up being a big asset to the SRF.
I tend to think that the SRF has already come to that conclusion. After all, they do actually know her, and she has been included in occasions which would suggest it is only a matter of time.
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Well of course the SRF has, but I'm specifically talking about the public.

The public hasn't gotten to know Sofia the way the SRF has, so there are all these preconceived notions about the type of person she is. It was the same for Chris. I remember many didn't particularly care for him, but once they saw him and Madeleine on their wedding day, their attitude about him changed.

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Well put soapstar, and very true.

I am going to hope my strong misgivings about SH prove incorrect.
I admit that I have my misgivings about her too, but then I remember that we have all made mistakes in life, or sometimes acted in ways that we later regretted. She seems to be making some really positive changes in her life, so I'm willing to give her chance. Plus it seems that CP really loves her and at the end of the day, that's what really matters.
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Is it possible that the tops are actually considered to be quite modest to the organisers and/or the charity? Perhaps in their community the girls would usually go about bare-breasted. Breasts are not seen as sexual objects in some cultures. It is Western influence on those cultures that has imposed that attitude.
You bring up a really good point, but I can't answer it. Looking through the Project Playground photos it seems to me that most of the kids wear what I would consider to be typical Western, warm weather wear - although that could be because the website is for Western consumption.

That said, I think the fact that the show is an multi-faith educational program aimed at teaching morality to kids suggests that the outrage over the outfits is a bit misplaced.

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I never said she should be ostracised. And you do bring some good points for me to ponder. No one is perfect, least of all me! Regarding Mabel, she had begun her impressive career 8 years before marrying Friso - she co-founded a council for peace in the Balkans, she worked as an advocate for children caught in war zones, and she was named a "global leader for tomorrow", all before Friso.
You do have a good point there - we know that Mabel does charity because she likes to do charity. That said, many of the women who marry into royal families don't get heavily involved (if involved at all) with charity pre-their relationships. To me it's a problem if they don't embrace social work of some sort pre-marriage, because social work is such a large part of what royals do. However if they didn't do it prior to the relationship... they weren't royals then. They weren't even prospective royals then.

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To be honest, I can't think of many that weren't judged harshly before marrying into the RF. Mette was considered unsuitable because of her background, Lettizia had to deal with critiscms over her divorce, Kate was harshly critizied for her work history, and the list goes on. Over time though, they have all proven to be an asset to their respective royal families (although there are still some that dislike them and choose to harp on their pasts).

Right now Sofia's a mystery. There is very little to go on, so it's only natural that people will look at her past behavior. Once/if she marries CP, people will get to know her and their views of her just might change. Despite her past, they may realize that she could very well end up being a big asset to the SRF.
I agree immensely with you.
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If she is still using those young girls in her charity to promote something and be dressed the way they where, how is her history in the past? She herself did this type of thing, using sexual actions and clothing to promote herself....and she has carried that out to this day with these girls? That is so wrong, you don't take young children and dress them like they are selling their bodies to promote a charity......this is not princess material. He can marry her all he wants and given time I think the Swedish people will want a republic which would be a shame for Vic/Dan and they are the only ones who really work and promote the Country of Sweden. If your born into this type of position then there comes a responsibility with it for the rest of your life if you chose to stay in that position and in marrying someone outside (not being a royal) they should be taught and learn before marriage what is expected of them not after the marriage. A pretty dress does not make a pretty lady/woman, it's all about character of the person.
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If she is still using those young girls in her charity to promote something and be dressed the way they where, how is her history in the past? She herself did this type of thing, using sexual actions and clothing to promote herself....and she has carried that out to this day with these girls? That is so wrong, you don't take young children and dress them like they are selling their bodies to promote a charity......this is not princess material. He can marry her all he wants and given time I think the Swedish people will want a republic which would be a shame for Vic/Dan and they are the only ones who really work and promote the Country of Sweden. If your born into this type of position then there comes a responsibility with it for the rest of your life if you chose to stay in that position and in marrying someone outside (not being a royal) they should be taught and learn before marriage what is expected of them not after the marriage. A pretty dress does not make a pretty lady/woman, it's all about character of the person.
1. There is nothing saying that Sofia selected the costumes

2. The "something" that the costumes are for is a multi-faith educational program for children with an expressed purpose of promoting morality

3. Western standards and beliefs regarding clothing are not necessarily standards and beliefs shared within other cultures. Pictures from the program's Facebook page seem to indicate that the costume is something cultural
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I've just done a bit of googling, and I don't have unlimited time to spend on the task so I certainly do not claim to be an expert. However without much effort on my part I have learned that there seem to be four main tribes in South Africa: Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa, and Setswana, and I have found a great number of images of girls and women from those tribes wearing traditional costumes that do not cover the breasts. As for the particular outfits of the girls in the photo that has attracted criticism of Sofia, I offer you this photos of girls doing traditional Xhosa dances: http://bridgetehemann.files.wordpres...pg?w=950&h=633 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4...89b19eb5_b.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZRiu5Bw9c2...00/5062388.jpg Some of you might be interested in the whole article about the Xhosa people (of whom Nelson Mandela is one): TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE: XHOSA PEOPLE:SOUTH AFRICA`S ANCIENT PEOPLE WITH UNIQUE TRADITIONAL AND CULTURAL HERITAGE Anyone who has a bit of time and inclination will quickly be able to find images of bare-breasted Zulu, Sotho and Setswana women.

I'm sure that missionaries have had an influence on what the people wear, especially for a multi-faith event such as the one in question, but I think we can be far too quick to impose Western values and morals on people from other cultures, and to cast aspersions on a person without having all the facts.
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I've just done a bit of googling, and I don't have unlimited time to spend on the task so I certainly do not claim to be an expert. However without much effort on my part I have learned that there seem to be four main tribes in South Africa: Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa, and Setswana, and I have found a great number of images of girls and women from those tribes wearing traditional costumes that do not cover the breasts. As for the particular outfits of the girls in the photo that has attracted criticism of Sofia, I offer you this photos of girls doing traditional Xhosa dances: http://bridgetehemann.files.wordpres...pg?w=950&h=633 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4...89b19eb5_b.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZRiu5Bw9c2...00/5062388.jpg Some of you might be interested in the whole article about the Xhosa people (of whom Nelson Mandela is one): TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE: XHOSA PEOPLE:SOUTH AFRICA`S ANCIENT PEOPLE WITH UNIQUE TRADITIONAL AND CULTURAL HERITAGE Anyone who has a bit of time and inclination will quickly be able to find images of bare-breasted Zulu, Sotho and Setswana women.

I'm sure that missionaries have had an influence on what the people wear, but I think we can be far too quick to impose Western values and morals on people from other cultures.
Thank you for the links, I find both the pictures and the article on the Xhosa to be of great interest. I also really love and agree with your last sentence.
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I do not like it when young girls are dressed up in a sexualized way (tight clothes,high heels etc.),but I guess in the case of that TV show it was different & it was probably not Sofia´s choice of clothing or something she forced the girls to wear. There are very different attitutes towards clothes in various countries and cultures.
Some very traditional religious people would consider our Western style as not decent because it shows some legs,bare shoulders and at times quite a lot of cleavage.
The sort of clothing that the Project Playground-girls were wearing in the pictures seems to be the normal and acceptable clothing for women and girls in that region. We should accept them the way they are,they look comfortable with these skirts and tops.
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My opinion on this thread (not the post right above this, but some others of the last 24h)

The fact that:
this thread has evolved from 'glamour pictures' to 'sexual explicit' to 'soft-porn' to 'nudity is sexual explicit' to 'traditional dress on African girls is sexually explicit' and i think even somewhere the words 'rape' and 'objectification of women' were used

is just completely and utterly ridiculous...

People need to get a grip, stick to the facts which are Sofia's own actions, if you must discuss something

Has western society degenerated that much that we can't look at a piece of skin anymore without thinking of sex?
Is the problem with the piece of skin here or with your way of thinking?
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My opinion on this thread (not the post right above this, but some others of the last 24h)

The fact that:
this thread has evolved from 'glamour pictures' to 'sexual explicit' to 'soft-porn' to 'nudity is sexual explicit' to 'traditional dress on African girls is sexually explicit' and i think even somewhere the words 'rape' and 'objectification of women' were used

is just completely and utterly ridiculous...

People need to get a grip, stick to the facts which are Sofia's own actions, if you must discuss something

Has western society degenerated that much that we can't look at a piece of skin anymore without thinking of sex?
Is the problem with the piece of skin here or with your way of thinking?
I totally see where you're coming from here, but I think the argument was more...

Nudity is sexually explicit to the outfit of the girls is sexually explicit (and is made even worse by the fact that they live in a place where the likelihood of being raped is so high) and Sofia is hugely inappropriate and immoral because she's taking advantage of the girls - overlooking the fact that what they're wearing is a culturally appropriate dress.

Your other observations, though, are really spot on.
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I totally see where you're coming from here, but I think the argument was more...

Nudity is sexually explicit to the outfit of the girls is sexually explicit (and is made even worse by the fact that they live in a place where the likelihood of being raped is so high) and Sofia is hugely inappropriate and immoral because she's taking advantage of the girls - overlooking the fact that what they're wearing is a culturally appropriate dress.
Yep. Sums it up nicely.
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Is there a reason CP is uninterested in someone without such massive baggage? There are plenty of young women around who don't have to explain or apologize for their pasts.
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