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Old 09-06-2013, 08:42 PM
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With a matching hot pink velour sweatshirt that says "HRH The Princess" in sequins.
I like the way you think LOL
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:47 PM
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And that's fair enough and I hope it comes to pass. Or who knows, I could be wrong and she could develop a reality show called The Real Housewives of the Bernadotte Dynasty and swan around in yoga pants and a tiara all day.

Which would be hilarious, but terrible PR :)
Or she could become the next Princess Lillian, in which case I will have been proven way off about her. Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time.

And I have no problem coming here and admitting it if it happens.
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:23 AM
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:56 AM
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It seems that people use the euphemism: 'glamour model' in the wrong way. Only wikipedia has a description of the term, namely:

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Glamour photography is a genre of photography whereby the subjects, usually female, are portrayed in a romantic or sexually alluring way. The subjects may be fully clothed or semi-nude, but glamour photography stops short of deliberately arousing the viewer and being pornographic photography
Considering Sofia was totally naked in many pictures with open legs and such I think she went a step further down the road. Note that the last pictures were made just before she met the prince, so not when she was 16.

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In any case, her soft-pornographic photos are the least of the problem IMHO. Her hunger for fame & posing being the largest one. Added to that her attempt to white wash and window dress her past is almost insulting to any person who has a functioning brain.

In short, the lady does not seem to be sensere. Instead of facing the past and learn from it by starting a study etc. like Mette-Marit did, she simply tries to erase things and presents herself as the new mother Theresa (with a lot of help from the gossip press). What fools do they think we are?
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:01 AM
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There is a reality TV show tentatively titled "Siyakohlwa". Sofia has selected a few young girls from her charity to audition for the new show, and here is how she has chosen to present them:

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I mean...is Sofia quite serious??! South Africa, with one of the highest records of sexual brutality toward female children on the planet? And this is how Sofia chooses to promote these beautiful little girls?

I rest my case. You can take the girl off reality TV, but you can't take the reality TV out of the girl. I think she is a disastrous choice for Sweden, but if in a few years I am proven wrong I will be here to publically apologize.
I feel very uncomfortable when I watch this photo, and can't understand why Sofia or someone else in Project Playground wants to put their protegees, who are children, to a TV-show dressed like this, tops with pants would have been the right choice. As a co-founder of PP, as she wants to be presented, Sofia is responsible about the girls' clothes, even though she wouldn't have chosen them herself. This photo is from 2011.
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:33 AM
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It seems that people use the euphemism: 'glamour model' in the wrong way. Only wikipedia has a description of the term, namely:

Considering Sofia was totally naked in many pictures with open legs and such I think she went a step further down the road. Note that the last pictures were made just before she met the prince, so not when she was 16.

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In any case, her soft-pornographic photos are the least of the problem IMHO. Her hunger for fame & posing being the largest one. Added to that her attempt to white wash and window dress her past is almost insulting to any person who has a functioning brain.

In short, the lady does not seem to be sensere. Instead of facing the past and start a study etc.like Mette-Marit did, she simply tries to erase things and presents herself as the new mother Theresa (with a lot of help from the gossip press). What fools do they think we are?
I don't quite get what you mean about "white washing" her past. As far as I know, she's never denied anything she's done or pretended it didn't happen, or lied about her work as a nude model (and her photos were no more graphic than any classic pinup. Marilyn Monroe's famous Red Velvet shots are actually more revealing).

The fact that she posed nude and was attracted to celebrity culture doesn't mean she doesn't also truly enjoy her charity work and do it because she loves it.
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:39 AM
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We all have been raised up differently and have different values in life. I find most of Sofia's "glamour" or nude photos very provocative, although some of them aren't as revealing as some other photos of the same kind. It is not the question of nudity, but how she poses in the photos. It tells something about the person's character when she agrees to pose like that.
Yes, she may have changed or at least pretends to have changed, but that girl who posed for the photos is still inside her. And she still loves the publicity, fame and camera as much as when she was under 20.
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Old 09-07-2013, 02:47 AM
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CP and Sofia

This is sick to see these young girls like this, OMG, what is she thinking? In this country the female population is not SAFE from rape and horror done on a daily basis and she does this.......I really was going to give her the benefit of the doubt about her past, now no way....she is
totally unfit to be in the SRF. How could anybody promote this in the name of charity? I will say it, she is trash, right from the garbage dump. Someone needs to get ahold of her and straighten her out and if CP goes along with this, well the respect for this family will hit bottom. This is very disturbing and cruel to these young girls.
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Old 09-07-2013, 03:13 AM
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It seems that people use the euphemism: 'glamour model' in the wrong way. Only wikipedia has a description of the term, namely:

Considering Sofia was totally naked in many pictures with open legs and such I think she went a step further down the road. Note that the last pictures were made just before she met the prince, so not when she was 16.

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In any case, her soft-pornographic photos are the least of the problem IMHO. Her hunger for fame & posing being the largest one. Added to that her attempt to white wash and window dress her past is almost insulting to any person who has a functioning brain.

In short, the lady does not seem to be sensere. Instead of facing the past and learn from it by starting a study etc. like Mette-Marit did, she simply tries to erase things and presents herself as the new mother Theresa (with a lot of help from the gossip press). What fools do they think we are?
According to her Wikipedia page, she was a glamour, not pornographic, model. This may be because all of her modeling is classified as glamour, or it may be because the majority of her work is glamour but she also did some pornographic shoots.

That said, I think we often forget how common female nudity is within the modern world of modeling, TV, and film. I mean, not to long ago Helen Mirren posed topless for New York magazine. There are many respectable women who have gone nude at some point in their career, and to some extent we should consider it to be a part of the job/industry, even if it is one that's a bit... unappealing.
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That said, I think we often forget how common female nudity is within the modern world of modeling, TV, and film. I mean, not to long ago Helen Mirren posed topless for New York magazine. There are many respectable women who have gone nude at some point in their career, and to some extent we should consider it to be a part of the job/industry, even if it is one that's a bit... unappealing.
As you have mentioned, female nudity is common in modelling, TV and film, not for someone who wants to to become a HRH , Princess , or a duchess ( whichever Prince Carl Philip's wife will be titled). Helen Mirren might be a respected person, but in the end, she is an actress . And as for her charity event in South Africa, I can't imagine what was she thinking!! Is the honour of doing charity so much that you can even do such thing to this young girls in a country with a high rape crime?!!
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I don't understand the obsession with the nudity here...

Yes, those were youthful sins, but who of us hasn't things we weren't thrilled with later, lots of royals have too... maybe not nudity, but binge-drinking, drunk-bar-fighting or crashing cars are nothing to brag about either...

Afaik, she did the photography until 2004, reality in 2005 and some antics in the US (Vegas again :-) where did we hear that before) in 2005...
But what unfortunate activities has she done since? Or has she actually started to 'better' her life now?
Give her a chance, she is not going to be the Queen anyway, is she....
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Old 09-07-2013, 06:24 AM
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As you have mentioned, female nudity is common in modelling, TV and film, not for someone who wants to to become a HRH , Princess , or a duchess ( whichever Prince Carl Philip's wife will be titled). Helen Mirren might be a respected person, but in the end, she is an actress . And as for her charity event in South Africa, I can't imagine what was she thinking!! Is the honour of doing charity so much that you can even do such thing to this young girls in a country with a high rape crime?!!
To start, I do agree with your points regarding the differences between models/actresses and royals. However, I think it's equally important to remember that Sofia stopped modeling before her relationship with Carl Philip was confirmed (or at least in so far as I can tell, but I will stand corrected if someone has information saying otherwise). This means that while she did previously have nude photos of her taken for a living, she ceased to do so when she became a prospective Princess.

I cited Helen Mirren as an example because she's someone who is respected, even though she's been nude or partially nude as the result of her career. The point is that we can respect actresses who have posed partially or fully nude at various points in their careers, so I don't understand why we can't respect a woman who once posed nude as a part of her career but no longer does so because her life has taken a different path.

Yes, Sofia's got a controversial past, but she's far from being the only royal bride (or prospective royal bride) to have skeletons on display. I mean, look at some of the other royals out there. In Monaco the monarch has two confirmed illegitimate children, in Belgium the recently abdicated monarch is going through a scandal right now related to his (alleged) illegitimate child, in Denmark the monarch's younger son is a man who is on his second marriage, in Luxembourg one of the monarch's sons had a child out of wedlock shortly before his 20th birthday, in the Netherlands the Queen's family had to be investigated for her father's role in the Dirty War, in Norway the CP is married to a woman who has a child from a prior relationship, the CP of Spain is also married to a divorced woman (not to mention everything else going on in Spain), and Britain... well just to start, 3 of the monarch's 4 children have been divorced, one of whom later married his very controversial mistress and another whom is frequently suspected of carrying on a relationship with his ex-wife.

With all of that in mind, is a prospective Princess, who is dating a man who isn't in the direct line of succession, with a past in nude modeling really all that bad?

As for the Africa pictures, I don't feel I know enough about the charity, Sofia's involvement, the context of the pictures themselves or the wardrobe - not to mention who chose the tops and for what reason they were chosen - to really form an opinion on them. That said, I do hesitate to condemn them simply because it's a tricky path between "dressing young girls in skimpy tops is inappropriate because they might get raped" and "young girls dressed in skimpy tops are asking to be raped." I do agree that the wardrobe of a young girl should be age appropriate and that the pictures don't seem age appropriate - however without more of a context... I mean, while I'm not a fan of it, I would be lying if I said that I never saw girls of that age range wearing similar outfits at certain points of the year, and I don't believe that they (or their parents) are doing so with rape in mind.
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I have to admit that the charity photos did make me slightly uncomfortable when I saw them. But since I don't really know the context behind why those particular outfits were chosen, I can't really form an opinion on them. Nor can I blame Sofia.

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I don't quite get what you mean about "white washing" her past. As far as I know, she's never denied anything she's done or pretended it didn't happen, or lied about her work as a nude model (and her photos were no more graphic than any classic pinup. Marilyn Monroe's famous Red Velvet shots are actually more revealing).

The fact that she posed nude and was attracted to celebrity culture doesn't mean she doesn't also truly enjoy her charity work and do it because she loves it.
I have to disagree with you here. I don't recall seeing any photos from The Red Velvet series where Marilyn had her legs spread for the world to see her private parts. While some of Sofia's modeling photos are no more graphic than the classic nude pinup, there are others that are far more revealing.

No she hasn't denied her past modeling, but didn't the Palace stop some of her photos from coming out in Sweden? I know it used to be easy to find her photos online, but now most of them have disappeared. I don't know if that's because they are trying to clean up her image, or hide some of the more risqué photos.

If they do marry, it will be interesting to see how they handle/address her past. Will she do an interview and talk about it like Mette, or will she decide to ignore it and focus on the positive stuff she had done since then (like her recent charity work- which I think is admirable, but I'm not sure if it's genuine or she's doing it just to help her image and give her something to do).

I haven't quite made up my mind about Sofia. On the one hand, I'm not a fan of some of her antics (I wish she'd stop talking to the press), but on the other hand, she seems to be making some positive changes.

I guess I won't truly know how I feel until she marries and I see her in action. Who knows, she just may prove to be a very hard working member of the royal family. At this point, I'm willing to give her a chance.
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a person, especially a woman, who is photographed wearing very few or no clothes in order to sexually excite the person looking at the photographs
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Doesn't matter what everybody else thinks of her. What matters is that Prince Carl Philip loves her and the family seems to be very taken by her.

Perhaps she's older and wiser now. Lets face it, there's a great deal of people who's done some interesting stuff in their past too. Don't mean you can't go on to become a little wiser, mature and find love.
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I can't believe this discussion is still ongoing. The guy is about to marry her any time soon. Her past is history now. What counts is that she is maybe already preparing for her future life as a princess at the moment.
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Doesn't matter what everybody else thinks of her. What matters is that Prince Carl Philip loves her and the family seems to be very taken by her.

Perhaps she's older and wiser now. Lets face it, there's a great deal of people who's done some interesting stuff in their past too. Don't mean you can't go on to become a little wiser, mature and find love.
Very true. I seem to recall a certain male Senator from Boston who was a Playgirl centerfold in his younger days but still managed to get himself elected as a US Senator. The voters did not seem to mind that their representative had once been photographed wearing nothing more than a staple in his navel.
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It´s nothing wrong with being an erotic model,but I prefer people who are open about it. Pamela Anderson had a lot of erotic pictures taken and also had a few adult movies,but she does not call her job "glamour model" and she is very open-minded and honest about what she did. Furthermore she is really interested in animal welfare and she does a lot of great things for various charities. I have met her at a few events and she was very kind,humble and funny & she genuinely cares about her charity projects which she does not only do for good PR.
I wish that Sofia was similarly open-minded and honest about her past...her sudden "personality change" is a little bit difficult to believe....

On a positive note:The soft pink lace dress was a wonderful choice, perhaps the nicest,prettiest dress I have seen on her so far. She looked very beautiful at that wedding, seems like she is getting good advice on how to dress up!
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I'd feel a little more convinced of the sincerity of Sofia's motives if she had any record whatsoever of being involved in any work or hobby that promoted the welfare of children before her involvement with C-P.

She doesn't. Almost simultaneously with the publication of her first photos in public with him, she rushes off to Africa(perfect, where else?) and founds a charity that is dedicated to disadvantaged children.

That said, she looked truly lovely at the Magnusson wedding. I thought her appearance flawless until I saw the big ugly tattoo on her upper back.

ETA: I am happy to hear she is an animal lover. That's always a big plus for anyone in my book!
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I can't believe this discussion is still ongoing. The guy is about to marry her any time soon. Her past is history now. What counts is that she is maybe already preparing for her future life as a princess at the moment.
Until the court announces after the possible engagement that she will be a princess, no one of us knows if she will ever be a princess.
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