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Old 01-12-2013, 05:31 AM
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I certainly can't speak for a lot of people who are not on the Sofia bandwagon so I will just speak for myself.

I could care less that Sofia posed nude (although posing with a snake is pushing it in my book but hey we all got different taste). I don't look down to Playboy models or people who pose for painters nude. We were all born nude and there is nothing wrong with the human body.

Again its not that she posed nude per se is that her posing nude as well as a host of other things that she has done gives the vibe (or least to me) that she will do anything ANYTHING to be famous. Even her work with her playground foundation...reeks of publicity. Do you work outside of the public eye...do enough to bring attention to your foundation and the work you do and thats about it. If you are invited to your boyfriends neice's christening, don't look like you are looking for the camera....concentrate on the actual event.

Again its not the nudity is that the nudity is just an example to me (and perhaps others) that Sofia is not in this for the right reasons. Now, I have been on the board for a long time and other than Camilla (who've I accepted not that she needs my approval) I have never been on the anti (insert royal girlfriend name here like Mary, Letizia, Kate, etc) bandwagon where I questioned if this person would date so and so if he was any old guy off the street and not the Prince of Whatever Country you pick. But something about Sofia just doesn't seem right. I honestly wonder if she would be dating him if he wasn't Carl Phillip, Prince of Sweden.

And I think she is a pretty girl and probably very nice I just think she makes bad decisions and comes across as scheming to me.

But hey, Carl knows better than any of us and I truly hope I am wrong.
I've seen you express your opinion on Sofia before, and I absolutely understand your perspective and where it comes from- but I just don't think anyone knows enough about Sofia to determine that she's scheming and difficult. I think it's easy to cast her into that role because of her past, and because we really don't know very much about her otherwise.

I would just say... that for someone who's supposedly fame hungry, she's actually done a pretty good job of staying out of the press since she's been dating Carl Phillip. The only personal information about her that really leaks seems to be related to Project Playground. There's a lot of speculation, but she doesn't seem to have actually granted the media a whole lot of access.

My perspective on her is that I don't like her or dislike her... I don't really feel like I have enough information to go on either way. I just get tired of hearing people bring up her nude photos like they're some sort of unforgivable crime and like she's some sort of tainted woman.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:33 AM
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We all are different and we have different values. I wouldn't mind if she would have posed nude for a lovely artistic painting, but some of her photos are quite provocative. And I have doubts about her upbringing and family, since she was allowed to pose in quite controversial photos when she was sixteen, and she has told in the press that her mother has encouraged her in this, to get new experiences. And she didn't pose in these photos just once, but many times, so I don't think that it was a young person's mistake.

From Svensk Damtidning's article about Sofia and Chris knowing each other from New York:
First they were photographed at the same event 22nd June 2006, at a polo event at Hamptons in Long Island. The party was organized by Mark Baker, the former husband of Vicky Andrén. Mark is a close friend of Sofia - and also a close friend of Chris' girlfriend Maryam Abdullina. Sofia and Maryam were invited, Sofia took with her Camilla Sundman and Maryam came with Chris. They posed for party photos, not together though.
Some days after the polo event Sofia attended a midsummer party in Manhattan. The girls (not Sofia) were serving topless. Sofia was interviewed shortly and the film is in Youtube.
Later Sofia made friends with Mark Baker's new girlfriend Jennie Nordberg. Jennie has at her Facebook a lot of photos of Sofia.
On 21st May 2008 Sofia and Chris were again at a same party.
On these years Chris was dating Maryam Abdullina and Sofia was seen with a star-make up-artist Hervé Bernard. Sofia and Hervé seemed to have a very close relationship, they are almost kissing in many Facebook-photos.

Here are photos of Sofia and Chris at the same polo event on 22nd June 2006:
http://www.thenewyorkscene.com/webre...s/ppage158.htm
http://www.thenewyorkscene.com/webre...s/ppage156.htm
http://www.thenewyorkscene.com/webre...s/ppage201.htm
http://www.thenewyorkscene.com/webre...s/ppage202.htm
http://www.thenewyorkscene.com/webre...s/ppage197.htm
http://www.thenewyorkscene.com/webre...s/ppage198.htm
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The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich

Vicky Andrén is engaged with princess Christina's son Gustaf Magnuson.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:32 PM
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I'm so tired of this perspective. It's what as a feminist, I consider "slut-shaming"- judging a woman as tainted or worthless because she's dared to openly flaunt her sexuality.

Nude pictures are not that big of a deal and they certainly don't indicate a lack of integrity. You can be a kind, honest, smart person and still appear in nude photographs. (Marilyn Monroe comes to mind)

I think it's very unkind to constantly bring up Sofia's modeling career as a reason to despise her.
She didn't just pose nude. Some of the pictures are borderline pornographic/very provocative and, at least to me, that says something about a person and her upbringing (she still was a minor at the time) or her aims in life.
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From Svensk Damtidning's article about Sofia and Chris knowing each other from New York:
First they were photographed at the same event 22nd June 2006, at a polo event at Hamptons in Long Island. The party was organized by Mark Baker, the former husband of Vicky Andrén. Mark is a close friend of Sofia - and also a close friend of Chris' girlfriend Maryam Abdullina. Sofia and Maryam were invited, Sofia took with her Camilla Sundman and Maryam came with Chris. They posed for party photos, not together though.
Some days after the polo event Sofia attended a midsummer party in Manhattan. The girls (not Sofia) were serving topless. Sofia was interviewed shortly and the film is in Youtube.
Later Sofia made friends with Mark Baker's new girlfriend Jennie Nordberg. Jennie has at her Facebook a lot of photos of Sofia.
On 21st May 2008 Sofia and Chris were again at a same party.
On these years Chris was dating Maryam Abdullina and Sofia was seen with a star-make up-artist Hervé Bernard. Sofia and Hervé seemed to have a very close relationship, they are almost kissing in many Facebook-photos.

Here are photos of Sofia and Chris at the same polo event on 22nd June 2006:
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich © 2006 516-676-3939 robwayne1@aol.com
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich © 2006 516-676-3939 robwayne1@aol.com
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich © 2006 516-676-3939 robwayne1@aol.com
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich © 2006 516-676-3939 robwayne1@aol.com
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich © 2006 516-676-3939 robwayne1@aol.com
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich © 2006 516-676-3939 robwayne1@aol.com
The photos are from this gallery
The opening day of Bridgehampton Polo at Two Trees Farm in Bridgehampton on 7-22-06.all photos by Rob Rich

Vicky Andrén is engaged with princess Christina's son Gustaf Magnuson.
Whats the big deal about Sofia and chris knowing each other in NYC or having friends in common? Is this supposed to be a problem?
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:48 PM
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Whats the big deal about Sofia and chris knowing each other in NYC or having friends in common? Is this supposed to be a problem?
No one is saying that it is a problem. Svensk Damtidning just made an article about it, since it was not commonly known and it is interesting that they had met before they started dating with the members of the swedish royal family.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:48 PM
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She didn't just pose nude. Some of the pictures are borderline pornographic/very provocative and, at least to me, that says something about a person and her upbringing (she still was a minor at the time) or her aims in life.
Thank you! I can certainly understand that people have difference of opinions regarding Sofia and what type of person she might be.

I find it ironic that those who don't understand why some aren't on the Sofia bandwagon always bring up the nude pictures when we have clearly stated (time after time after time) that it isn't the nudity. Its the type of pictures. If Sofia had just posed nude (like Playboy) it would be one thing but hers weren't so easy. And to be underage for goodness sake, in the United States that would be considered child pornography and a judge (if brought to trial) would have ordered a cease and desist order, any issues on the stands would have to be recalled. You know why, because under the legal age of 18, you are not considered mature enough to make such a decision. Now I know we all know people over the age of 18 who aren't so mature, and legal drinking age, dying for your country, etc.

But seriously folks, look at the big picture.

And I am sorry, HRHHeromonie, Sofia not seeking attention since dating CP? We must be reading a different forum or at least, saw a different set of pictures at Estelle christening. Until recently, that is certainly what Sofia has been doing. I actually think she has scaled back a bit but she was definitely seeking attention.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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I know if I was dating a high profile Princess or anyone else and the press was on my back, I probably would take advantage of the good opportunities that came my way. I don't think that would mean I'm a bad person or attention seeking but just rolling with the flow of things and taking the attention in my stride.

I figure, if the tabloids want to write about me-fine-write about the charity work I do.

Of course I wouldn't be leaking private royal info to the press or acting like the most important person in the world but I would let the press know about my charities that I'm working for. The press attention would help highlight the causes I'm passionate about and let others know about it so they can can get involved and donate.

I won't go as far and say that Sofia had a terrbile upbringing and that led her to pose for a magazine. I know from experience, when you're young...you can end up doing all kinds of things that not everyone would agree with. Trying to find yourself and exploring the big world arond you can be an interesting journey.

Perhaps Carl Philip and Sofia have some things in common with each other. It's pretty easy to look on the net, find pictures of a person and judge them and define them by those pictures and what the tabloids may say about the person but it's different when you actually know the person on an intimate level.
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I don't understand why everyone is saying the palace dislikes her, that the Queen and CP Victoria are not excited about her. And if they do like her -why would CP have to push for his father to allow her to attend? If they are in love then let them be married. She and Sweden and CP will have to live with her past!

It's just interesting to me.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:58 PM
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I don't understand why everyone is saying the palace dislikes her, that the Queen and CP Victoria are not excited about her. And if they do like her -why would CP have to push for his father to allow her to attend? If they are in love then let them be married. She and Sweden and CP will have to live with her past!

It's just interesting to me.
Before Estelle's christening the girl- or boyfriends of the young swedish royals weren't allowed to attend at important family or state events. They could attend only after the engagement.
When king Carl Gustaf had his 60th birthday, Daniel, Emma and Jonas were invited to the private birthday party, but not to the official one.
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The tabloids come up with these stories. Dont think Prince Carl Philip had to push anyone for Sofia's invite. Victoria & Daniel and the family knows who's in Carl Philip's life and most likely respect that so they extended an invitation to her. She probably will go to Madeleine's wedding too.
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It has been told many times at the press and at the program about the Year of the Royal Family, that the king makes the final decisions in everything regarding the royal family's official events. Since the king and the queen were hosts at the christening and were inviting the guests, I think all of the guests must have been accepted by the king.
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/...dningskort.jpg

Sofia and Carl Philip were first seen on holiday with the king and the queen in St. Tropez, and the press wrote that they were also skiing with the king and queen in Storlien last year. I think this means that the king and the queen have accepted Sofia as Carl Philip's girlfriend, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they are hoping that Sofia and Carl Philip would get married.
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Exactly! Not to make a comparison but supposedly Queen Elizabeth II liked Koo Start but that didn't mean she wanted her to marry Andrew.

I mean forget the royal aspect, there are a lot of parents out there who like a particular girlfriend/boyfriend but not necessarily think they are marriageable material for their child.

Now do they express it this or do they just hope that their child makes the right decision or meddle in the relationship. I would think that most parents do all of the above.

Personally I think the tabloids like to stir up trouble when their is none. Perhaps the siblings do like Sofia or don't. I know I (nor did my other sisters) personally cared for my sister's partner. I voiced my concerns once to get it out on the table, but she was a grown woman and Yes, I stood by her side as a Maid of Honor when married and was her sounding board when it didn't work out.

My point is this...most siblings might have concerns about a potential boyfriend/girlfriend but will support the decision made by the sibling.
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And I am sorry, HRHHeromonie, Sofia not seeking attention since dating CP? We must be reading a different forum or at least, saw a different set of pictures at Estelle christening.
I see this complaint a lot, but when I look at the pictures, all I see is her smiling a lot. I don't find that inappropriate, personally.
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I see this complaint a lot, but when I look at the pictures, all I see is her smiling a lot. I don't find that inappropriate, personally.
My guess is the same people who are critical of her smiling would have been critical if she sat there frowning or stone faced. Her mere presence as an invited guest at any royal family event is enough to invite criticism.

Pretty much anyone who dates a royal comes in for criticism/attack to one degree or another. I was surprised how nasty people were about Mary Donaldson when she became engaged to Frederik. She was a called a cold illiterate gold digger amongst other choice words. Now of course she is on her way to sainthood. Daniel Westling came in for a lot of flack who compared poorly to Jonas (Maddys ex fiance) since Daniel was just a mere personal trainer with little education or social skills. No matter who they date royals partners never measure up to the expectations of TRF members.....and then after a wedding they become picture perfect royals beyond reproach.
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If the King has a problem with Sofia and is refusing to properly accept her as his son's long-term partner, I'm afraid he leaves himself wide open to scrutiny. Sofia may have made a few rather distasteful decisions in the past, but if the King can attend strip clubs, hang out with some pretty unsavoury underworld individuals and have affairs with washed-up pop singers, and still be accepted as King, how can he possibly judge Sofia?
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If the King has a problem with Sofia and is refusing to properly accept her as his son's long-term partner, I'm afraid he leaves himself wide open to scrutiny. Sofia may have made a few rather distasteful decisions in the past, but if the King can attend strip clubs, hang out with some pretty unsavoury underworld individuals and have affairs with washed-up pop singers, and still be accepted as King, how can he possibly judge Sofia?

Easily...he is the King by right of birth. I am not speaking Divine Right of Kings but yes hypocrisy is at play in this situation by right of birth.

Should he say something out loud to his subjects, of course not. And I am sure I am going to get raked over the coals by this comment, but there are girls you marry and girls you don't. Just like there are guys you marry and guys you don't. For all we know, the King can be saying to Silvia, he will grow out of this infatuation.

This is a statement that I make to my niece when explaining why certain behaviors and styles while cute today are not cute in the long run (i.e. don't put all your business out when picking out an outfit, wear shoes that are age appropriate and not stripper appropriate, etc.). On a side note, the first day I took my niece to high school, I SWEAR some of the girls were wearing shoes that were appropriate for the club or a stripper. Start the way you mean to end up.

Also, can I just point out how I amazed that no one is touching on the fact that these pics could have been taken while Sofia was underage. What is the legal age of consent in Sweden? Cause again, in the States while you can't control the internet, if this was a hard copy of a magazine, they would be pulled off the news stands.
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If Sofia was underage when these pictures were taken, where were her parents in all this. Can't imagine any parent even one who encourages their children to experience the world or experience new things would want their daughter to pose nude or do nude photos especially if she was underage. Even when their child is an adult an parent would probably try to talk them out of doing nude photos.

This isn't always the result of someone being a prude or conservative or old fashioned, but as we see in Sofia's case, the pictures have come back to haunt her in ways that she never dreamed of or would have expected. It may also haunt others as well.
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If Sofia was underage when these pictures were taken, where were her parents in all this. Can't imagine any parent even one who encourages their children to experience the world or experience new things would want their daughter to pose nude or do nude photos especially if she was underage. Even when their child is an adult an parent would probably try to talk them out of doing nude photos.

This isn't always the result of someone being a prude or conservative or old fashioned, but as we see in Sofia's case, the pictures have come back to haunt her in ways that she never dreamed of or would have expected. It may also haunt others as well.
And really that is what frightening in this digital age that I dont' think a lot of people get. Nothing ever really goes away. In the old days you might have done something risque in your past without thinking about how it might affect your future. You might have posed in a magazine, which goes out of print, and except for the odd collector (or publisher) no one would be the wiser. Not today, we have people making sex tapes with their boyfriends, they break up, and Sally becomes a little well known, and suddenly said private sex tape is now for sale.

You take a couple of nude pictures to advance your career, maybe appear on a reality show or two, you meet the Prince of Sweden and suddenly people you don't even know in a country that is not yours are talking about your pictures.

What's the saying, Don't do something today you might regret tomorrow.
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She might regret the photos and she might not regret the photos. The royal family might not like the photos but I'm not sure if the royal family totally define her by those photos. They probably decided to get to know her personally and to the real young lady that's in Carl Philips life.

I'm just guessing Carl Philip and the royal family knows there's more to Sofia and like her for who she really is and not judge her harshly because some photos she took in her younger days before they knew each other.
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Easily...he is the King by right of birth. I am not speaking Divine Right of Kings but yes hypocrisy is at play in this situation by right of birth.

Should he say something out loud to his subjects, of course not. And I am sure I am going to get raked over the coals by this comment, but there are girls you marry and girls you don't. Just like there are guys you marry and guys you don't. For all we know, the King can be saying to Silvia, he will grow out of this infatuation.

This is a statement that I make to my niece when explaining why certain behaviors and styles while cute today are not cute in the long run (i.e. don't put all your business out when picking out an outfit, wear shoes that are age appropriate and not stripper appropriate, etc.). On a side note, the first day I took my niece to high school, I SWEAR some of the girls were wearing shoes that were appropriate for the club or a stripper. Start the way you mean to end up.

Also, can I just point out how I amazed that no one is touching on the fact that these pics could have been taken while Sofia was underage. What is the legal age of consent in Sweden? Cause again, in the States while you can't control the internet, if this was a hard copy of a magazine, they would be pulled off the news stands.
I've thought about her age before, how young she was when she took these pictures and of what her family must be like. It makes me root for her, actually. I don't know whether Sofia's a good person or not- I've never met her. But I do know that she must not have had anyone really looking out for her when she was young, because if she had she probably would have had a very different experience during those years. She doesn't seem to have had a particularly privileged upbringing, and she seems to really want to make something of herself and be accepted in a privileged circle.

I think of her as kind of a Becky Sharp like character, and I hope she has a better fate in store for her.
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