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Old 08-17-2012, 12:36 AM
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Bröllopsfeber – så här planerar Carl Philip och Sofia sin förlovning | Svensk Damtidning

Swedish magazine, Svensk Damtidning, claims that His Royal Highness Prince Carl Philip and his controversial girlfriend, Sofia Hellqvist, are planning their Engagement announcement!
And you know what? It´s about time now.....

I do not think, that there will be that nasty comments on this board any more.... these discussions (and sometimes really really rude/hatred comments) has been made months ago.
Yes, some people - the "always-haters" - will publish their frustration about the "final step" leading into a wedding. But I assume that most of the others will have a "let´s wait and see how she will start her first steps as Princess-to-be" feeling on her.
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Anytime someone comments PRO or CON via a message board about a famous person they are passing a judgement of sorts whether they intend to or not.

Many people do not think that someone who has rather graphic and pornographic pictures available for viewing on the Internet should be married into the Swedish Royal Family, therefore becoming it's face to the world and a possible role model for others. That does not make them any more "righteous" and "bigoted" than it makes posters who don't have a problem with it a bunch of amoral Pollyannas.

In other words, posters on both sides have a right to their opinion without being called names.

For the record, I am not the poster who made the observation about the parenting skills of the King and Queen that you included in your response to me.

ETA: Not everyone thinks that Mette-Marit has been either a successful CP or a credit to the Norwegian Royal Family.
I shall clarify my point so as to not give you the wrong impression. My use of langauge aims to address the viewpoints of some, and is not a reflection upon the individual themselves. I am not judging the person as a person or their right to an opinion, rather the demonstration of that opinion.

Refraining from thinking negatively about someone is not so much passing judgement as much as it is acknowledging that one is not in a position to judge. And that is what I have here conceded.

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For the record, I am not the poster who made the observation about the parenting skills of the King and Queen that you included in your response to me.
For the record, who said my response in relation to that specific post was directed at you? You appear to have assumed that it was.

If I had posted two seperate posts consecutively after the other then a moderator would have merged them.
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:20 AM
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I find it very strange on how Sophia is treated in some postings here.

Many years ago I read similar postings and articles on Princess Mary, Princess Mette-Marit and the Duchess of Cambridge, on Princess Mabel, Princess Maxima and Princess Letizia.
What you have said has been stated numerous times in this thread and it's predecessors. It just falls on deaf ears; Sofia is Satan end of story.
I can only imagine the things said about Mette-Marit and her past.
I only have good knowledge on the things said about Kate M., she's a gold digger ( aren't they all called this) she schemed to get William, she's ensnared him, she's a social climber, her mother is a manipulator, William was forced to marry Kate to save face after so many years...
Going even back further I believe Prince Philip of England was disliked by many when Elizabeth became engaged to him.


I did not know Sofia had a gap in her teeth. I don't find the attractive either but I know some don't want to get them fixed; but I do think if you are marrying a royal, those who control them would want it fixed. People marrying into it are thoroughly transformed; I'm surprised they didn't give Daniel LASIK.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:31 PM
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But it was you who has made that assumption?
I admit I made that assumption based on my observation. One can't help but notice that Victoria is devoted to duty, while the other two apparently slack off.

Maybe I was harsh to say "spoiled rotten", but the vast difference between Victoria and her siblings is noticable. None of them seem to mind, but I can't help but wonder how did only one out of the three end up being dutiful and aware about what royalty means, while the other two don't really seem to.

Obviously, the King and Queen can't be totally blamed. Their children had nannies while growing up. And also, we all make our own choices in life. Sometimes our bringing doesn't matter about our decisions in life.

And I don't see myself as "self-righteous". I don't know if you were directing that term to me, but I want to say that I don't go around with a holier-than-thou attitude. Sometimes I get confused and bewildered by some people's actions, but I don't tear my hair out over them.
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I've been reading this thread, trying to "get to know" the SRF. Interesting comments re how Carl Phillip isn't as dutiful as Victoria. That shouldn't be a surprise. Victoria knows what her future is and is working towards it everyday. CP, like many royal siblings, is trying to determine his future and is, perhaps, struggling. I say perhaps because my knowledge of the family is slight.

CP may find the future easier to determine with a wife and family. Sofia's background may be unfortunate but if she can love, help and support CP, then good luck to them both.

Women marrying into royal families, especially those with no noble or royal connections, always get bad press and people use them to reinforce existing prejudices. Such a pity.
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I've been reading this thread, trying to "get to know" the SRF. Interesting comments re how Carl Phillip isn't as dutiful as Victoria. That shouldn't be a surprise. Victoria knows what her future is and is working towards it everyday. CP, like many royal siblings, is trying to determine his future and is, perhaps, struggling. I say perhaps because my knowledge of the family is slight.

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Women marrying into royal families, especially those with no noble or royal connections, always get bad press and people use them to reinforce existing prejudices. Such a pity.
I agree with you but want to make 2 points:
- CP is a talented man but has chosen to spend most of his time on race cars and pottery (that I don't know what to do with because it looks like something in Baby Gap). It just seems that others in his same position have managed to at least keep their nose to the grindstone carving out their niche, while CP hasn't really embraced "adult" things... (no pun intended)

- the question of Sofia: I don't think she's a bad person, and I think she provides some stability for CP. My issue is that, again, others have been in her same position and have dedicated themselves to winning over the public. Sofia perhaps would find it better to keep a lower profile and involve herself in a few more traditional, grown-up, 'deeper' causes.

I want to say that the above is my opinion and my impression. I respect CP and the SRF.
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thank you Casualfan, that helps me understand some more.
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The only point where I agree with some posters is that the prince needs to get more involved into his royal duties. He simply has to start work for the crowne. People will love him on the basis of his commitment to represent his country and if he finds a devoted loving wife who supports him in doing his job than no one will question any of them.
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:08 PM
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Everyone has a past. My Auntie Fay, who was a makeup artist at MGM, said she knew Grace Kelly "before she was a virgin." LOL

Sophia has not tried to cover up her past and should be commended for that.
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While my opinion of Sofia changed while she spent a lot of time smiling at the cameras during Estelle's baptism, even I am not bothered that she was a nude model and such. Some of the comments in this thread about her modeling, kissing Jenna Jameson, etc., upset me because they sound really misogynist. I can't believe some people still believe women should be virgins until their wedding night.
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:26 PM
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How awful the attack on Prince Carl Phillip. Just read about it. It seems these days no one is safe from being attacked or assaulted. It made me sick when I read this but it seems like worldwide, attacks like this on people whether they be famous, royal or whatever seems to be on the rise.

Royalty are not immune from such attacks it seems. Was the assault caught on tape? If there were cameras around, perhaps then they could identify who did this to him. I hope the book is thrown at the person who did this.
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:36 PM
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Going back on topic. Females who are royals or who marry royals are judged more than their male counterparts. Previous boyfriends are always brought up or mentioned. If they went to school with someone who was a mistfit or bad, they are linked to them even though they had nothing to do with it. If they happened to date someone who did something bad, they are mentioned.

Seldom hear about the ex-girlfriends of men who aren't royal and who marry into royalty. Or a classmate who was a misfit or bad. If the man had several girlfriends or went to school with a misfit or a criminal, you might hear about it once or twice and then it's dropped. He's not judged by the actions of his ex's or the actions of his classmates.
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While my opinion of Sofia changed while she spent a lot of time smiling at the cameras during Estelle's baptism, even I am not bothered that she was a nude model and such. Some of the comments in this thread about her modeling, kissing Jenna Jameson, etc., upset me because they sound really misogynist. I can't believe some people still believe women should be virgins until their wedding night.
I think it's stretching things to suggest that people are against Sofia because she is not a virgin. I haven't read anything in this entire thread that makes me think posters feel that a woman's hymen must be intact on her wedding night....not one thing.

As for misogyny? Pornography IS a form of misogyny, and I am amazed that there are folks here who have no problem making the jump from nude and spread-eagled in the front of a car to nude and in bondage on a beach to nude with a python to....ROYAL PRINCESS OF SWEDEN.

I think she is an embarrassment to the House of Bernadotte and I won't apologize for it. One thing I give this girl grudging admiration for is that she has achieved her stated goal of becoming famous.

Who knew that when she went online a couple of years ago to boast "Wanna know a secret? I'm dating the Prince!" that she was so close to achieving her life's dream??

No, I won't be gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair if and when the engagement is announced(sorry to disappoint posters eagerly awaiting the fallout)

I'll just officially write off the monarchy in Sweden, and continue to follow the men and women that I feel truly embody the concept of Royalty in the 21st century.
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I admit I made that assumption based on my observation. One can't help but notice that Victoria is devoted to duty, while the other two apparently slack off.

Maybe I was harsh to say "spoiled rotten", but the vast difference between Victoria and her siblings is noticable. None of them seem to mind, but I can't help but wonder how did only one out of the three end up being dutiful and aware about what royalty means, while the other two don't really seem to.

Obviously, the King and Queen can't be totally blamed. Their children had nannies while growing up. And also, we all make our own choices in life. Sometimes our bringing doesn't matter about our decisions in life.

And I don't see myself as "self-righteous". I don't know if you were directing that term to me, but I want to say that I don't go around with a holier-than-thou attitude. Sometimes I get confused and bewildered by some people's actions, but I don't tear my hair out over them.
But aren't 'we' then placing our own expectations on these people? Of what WE think is the right way to live and work according to our own prejudices. In my mind as long as they present well, look good, encourage tourism, trade and diplomatic strengths and maintain a sense of continuity then they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Yes there are societal expectations attatched to their priviliged positions, but these people are human first and foremost and no one is perfect.

One wonders what it would be like if you or I had to live our lives according to the demands of the general public's expectations. How easy do you think you would find it then one wonders? And none can justly answer that question for none of us know.

What I do know, or rather have come to observe, is that Carl Philip and Madeleine seem to do the vast majority of their work behind the glare of the publics gaze. In light of that, I fail to see how anyone can justly state that they are not committed or even devoted to duty.

And who are we, but commoners (and proud I'm sure), to think we know what it means to be royal? That to me is such a cheek. We are a bunch of inquisitive onlookers who more often than not think we know more about these people than they do themselves. It's laughable really.

FYI: Was not directing the righteous comment at you personally. It was a comment made in general terms
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But aren't 'we' then placing our own expectations on these people? Of what WE think is the right way to live and work according to our own prejudices. In my mind as long as they present well, look good, encourage tourism, trade and diplomatic strengths and maintain a sense of continuity then they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Yes there are societal expectations attatched to their priviliged positions, but these people are human first and foremost and no one is perfect.

One wonders what it would be like if you or I had to live our lives according to the demands of the general public's expectations. How easy do you think you would find it then one wonders? And none can justly answer that question for none of us know.

What I do know, or rather have come to observe, is that Carl Philip and Madeleine seem to do the vast majority of the work behind the glare of the publics gaze. In light of that, I fail to see how anyone can justly state that they are not committed or even devoted to duty.

And who are we, but commoners (and proud I'm sure), to think we know what it means to be royal? That to me is such a cheek. We are a bunch of inquisitive onlookers who more often than not think we know more about these people than they do themselves. It's laughable really.

FYI: Was not directing the righteous comment at you personally. It was a comment made in general terms
What you said makes a lot of sense. Perhaps I should've stopped myself from making a flippant comment about the Swedish royals.
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When you look at the big picture the line of succession is Victoria, Estelle, Carl, and then Madeline. That means the Carl and Madeline will never be King or Queen, unless something tragic happens. As with all royal extras, they need to build a life for themselves outside the royal limelight. Look back through history and you will find it was always that way. They become less and less important. Madeline is being very smart to build a life away from the limelight.
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I don't know the couple other than what I read on the forums. But frankly I find it sad that Sofia gets given such a hard time. So she did some things in her younger years that are questionable. What about it? Everyone makes mistakes and I'm sure she had her reasons. Everyone also deserves new chances.

If she and Carl-Phillip get engaged, good for them! I hope they make each other very happy. If they spent their lives trying to please the judging public who believe they know everything because they have seen a few photos or short videos then it would be a life wasted!
Call me 'old fashioned', but I still feel, that no one with nude pictures around in the internet, should be a princess. Yes she is beautiful, maybe she is kind or what ever - but in the face of those pictures .. I beg your pardon! There will be always dragged out again and again - at every possible opportunity - probably still in 50 Years. There will always be sniggering behind there backs.. etc. you cannot walk away from that.

So I still think, if they marry (which is fine with me) they have to turn being private citizens and no royalty.

When I was young, there was no internet but still I made sure there where not any indecent picture around and I turned down offers from photographs and such. Even then I thought I wouldn't want to be compromised in my future. Also young people can and should think about there doings!

It's NOT about being a virgin, but it's about taking responsibility for ones actions.
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Call me 'old fashioned', but I still feel, that no one with nude pictures around in the internet, should be a princess. Yes she is beautiful, maybe she is kind or what ever - but in the face of those pictures .. I beg your pardon! There will be always dragged out again and again - at every possible opportunity - probably still in 50 Years. There will always be sniggering behind there backs.. etc. you cannot walk away from that.

So I still think, if they marry (which is fine with me) they have to turn being private citizens and no royalty.

When I was young, there was no internet but still I made sure there where not any indecent picture around and I turned down offers from photographs and such. Even then I thought I wouldn't want to be compromised in my future. Also young people can and should think about there doings!

It's NOT about being a virgin, but it's about taking responsibility for ones actions.
That's a post I can totally agree with, every word.
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As I've said time and time again, if the King is ok with her and her pictures then I'm letting the subject drop. Camilla will always be known as the other woman, and the tampon quote is going to be looming over her head. Now the CP is no longer 2nd behind Victoria, i think he is allowed more leeway in his choice of wife. If he was going to be King it would be a different story. If CPs family accepts her then it would seem they are not dictated by old fashioned ideas and wanting to always punish someone for their past.
If Sofia carries herself impeccably from now on then I say she will be fine as the wide of a 2nd tier royal.
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When you look at the big picture the line of succession is Victoria, Estelle, Carl, and then Madeline. That means the Carl and Madeline will never be King or Queen, unless something tragic happens. As with all royal extras, they need to build a life for themselves outside the royal limelight. Look back through history and you will find it was always that way. They become less and less important. Madeline is being very smart to build a life away from the limelight.
This is why I don't have much admiration for CP or Madeleine, they seem happy to act like spoilt rih kids, being royal wen it suits but then not putting in the hardwork of doing public engagements etc. I think they would benefit from playiing down their royal life, stop the occasional pulbic duties, be taken of royalwebsite etc and left to get on with their own livess as private people. I really wouldn't mind if they did that and I think they woulkd, in time, be left more alone. It seems to me that the Royal Court doesn't now what to do with the spare royal children but now the focus can move to victoria daniel and estelle.
On Sofia I'm never going to think she's a perfect princess but neither am I a belieevr she's the devil or downfall of the monarchy. I hope she and CP are happy and in time lead a quiet, normall, priavte life. I just wish the Royal Coirt would b better at their job for the bennefit of the family.
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