Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012

[nascarlucy]

They will wait and wait for that ring to be put on their finger. I doubt that these women would issue an ultimatum to their man as he has the upper hand in this. I imagine in a couple of years Kate will have the ring on her finger. For her sake, I hope so because I think she will make a good partner for Prince William.

As for Sofia, her wait might be a long time. I doubt that she would be sitting there 8 years later, waiting for her ring. I don't think she has that type of patience. CP would be foolish to jump into marriage with someone he's known just a little over a year.

 

[Zonk]

Typically, how long do the Swedish royals date before marrying? Or is it possible to even figure that out as they all have non typical relationships (i.e. Carl/Silvia, Victoria/Daniel, Lillian/Betril).

 

[nascarlucy]

Seems like a long time. King Carl and Queen Silvia dated for several years as did Victoria/Daniel and before their breakup Princess Madelaine and Jonas. I don't know if this is typical of the Swedish population in general or if this just happened to be how these relationships worked out. Would be interesting to find out.

I was told by a woman who grew up in Sweden that people don't usually jump into marriages quickly like they sometimes do here in the United States. Places like Las Vegas where one can get married quickly doesn't exist in Sweden. The pressure to marry quickly is not as strong as it is in the United States. Even now if you are over a certain age (now it's like early 30's) and you aren't married, people start to judge you.

 

[Zonk]

Well I think the "commoner" status of Silvia and Lillian led to some delay in the marriage (much like Sonja in Norway). Let's not forget that the King's uncles pretty did a Simpson (gave up their rights in the Line of Succession by marrying those deemed not worthy). Hence the reason for Betril waiting to marry Lillian. The commoner issue wasn't so much a big deal with Daniel (kind of a been there done that) somuch as his occupation IMO.

I asked to see what the chances of Carl Phillip and Sofia moving in together and marrying fairly quickly.

 

[Esmerelda]

Well, Haakon and Mette-Marit moved in together and got married pretty quickly. Though I think most of the Swedish royals have long relationships (anyone know how long CP and Emma were dating before they moved in together?). That's not to say, of course that CP is going to follow some sort of established 'pattern'.

 

[KitKat2006]

Honestly, I don't think it's fair to compare Ema and Carl Philip moving in together to Sofia and Carl Philip moving in together.

With Emma he was way younger than now, moving in together was a first-time for them both. It was new, it was exciting and it was a big move on the way to live your own life. It's only natural that it took those two way longer to move in together.

With Sofia on the other hand it's a completely different situation. He knows how it is to live together with someone. It's not new to him and maybe he kind of missed the fact that his girlfriend lives with him. He's 31 years old. It's only natural to live with the woman you love in that age. So to me it's not surprising that they moved in together. It's just how life works.

And in case of Sofia and her apparently questionable charity-activity I think, it's way better to do SOMETHING than to do NOTHING AT ALL. Sofia does show she can work hard for something she wants (even if it's just to fool CP into a marriage, which I personally don't think) and thus shows purposefulness and endurance, whereas Kate (with a more than adequate education) is doing nothing else but sitting around and waiting or train to make a good appearance beside Wills. For that you don't need to go to university. For smiling and keeping your mouth shut you don't need a university degree.

 

[Charlotte1]

Well I think the "commoner" status of Silvia and Lillian led to some delay in the marriage (much like Sonja in Norway). Let's not forget that the King's uncles pretty did a Simpson (gave up their rights in the Line of Succession by marrying those deemed not worthy). Hence the reason for Betril waiting to marry Lillian. The commoner issue wasn't so much a big deal with Daniel (kind of a been there done that) somuch as his occupation IMO.

I asked to see what the chances of Carl Phillip and Sofia moving in together and marrying fairly quickly.

The commoner status of Silvia had nothing to do with the length of her relationship with Carl Gustav. Silvia was on the organising committee of the 1976 Winter Olympic games and although she had accepted CG's proposal asked that it be kept secret until after the games as she wanted to fulfill her role in those games. Their engagement was made public in March after the games ended.

Lilian's relationship with Bertil was a long one as had he married a commoner like his brothers did he would loose his place in the succession and since his father was elderly there was a great chance that he would be called to be regent for his young nephew. As it was the elderly king lived to be 90 and CG reached his majority. Bertil and Lilian lived together from 1947 (when Lilian moved to Sweden) to 1976 when CG approved their marriage, Bertil didn't loose his position in the succession and Lilian was made a princess.

The Swedes tend to go in for long relationships. Victoria and Daniel were together nearly 10 years before they married, not because the king objected to Daniel but because as he said himself he needed the time and there were other things he wanted to achieve.

Madeleine and Jonas were together for 8 years and lived together for much of that time.

GC's sister Christina met her husband Tord Magnusson in 1961 and finally married him in 1974. (Being a commoner wasn't an issue as her older sister married a commoner)

As already mention, Carl Philip and Emma Pernold were together for 9 years and lived together for several years.

 

[Rascal]

And in case of Sofia and her apparently questionable charity-activity I think, it's way better to do SOMETHING than to do NOTHING AT ALL.

I completely agree with you, KitKat2006. It seems like the Brits "tolerate" Kate's lack of career/work, even if they criticize it. Something tells me Sofia knows that if she behaved the same way as Kate - fair or not, she would be overwhelmingly criticized and reviled as a gold-digger, trashy, and worse. That's exactly why I find her "charity work" questionable. In this day and age, no one over the age of 14 is unaware that there are consequences for their choices, statements, and behavior that affect the rest of their lives. Many young people are naive and choose to ignore the potential impact of those consequences, but that just shows a lack of intelligence and/or a questionable character. Sofia's questionable behaviors didn't even stop after she met and started dating CP. Something happened after they started dating that opened her eyes to the fact that not only didn't she fit the "princess" role, but she in most cases wouldn't have any potential mother-in-law jumping for joy that her son was involved with such a woman.

Sofia does show she can work hard for something she wants (even if it's just to fool CP into a marriage, which I personally don't think)

Yes, removing one's bikini top and covering your breasts with a reptile really takes it out of one, doesn't it?

As far as her motives, many of Sofia's critics provide extensive reasons/documentation/reactions to provide "evidence" as to why they feel she is insincere, publicity-seeking, and of questionable motives. As you don't think she is just trying to fool CP into a marriage, I am curious as what you base that on. What has Sofia done that makes you believe so strongly in her character and motives? (Not trying to argue...just curious.)

For smiling and keeping your mouth shut you don't need a university degree.

Of course, Sofia hasn't mastered the art of keeping her mouth shut. Quite the contrary, as she has bragged about her relationship with CP, publicly stated that she wants to be famous, and as suggested before, rather than contributing to a 15-year established organization that doesn't have camera crews following their every move, she suddenly is involved in a charity and has "contributed" by appearing in two "media events". For all the media-whore accusations Diana was guilty of, she recognized that power of her persona and used that selflessly and, IMHO, sincerely to benefit her patronages.

 

[doric44]

Could the reason the relationships were so long of Madeline/Jonas and Carl Philip and Emma Pernold .
Be that they were both waiting for Victoria to get married as protocol not getting married before their sister?
And with Victoria and Daniel waiting so long to get married they had to wait.
I wonder if that impediment was not in place if madeleine would have married jonas a couple years ago same with Carl Phillip with Emma then this whole Sofia buisness would not have been an issue ? .

 

[Esmerelda]

I don't think siblings have to marry in order. It would be a problem for continuation of the monarchy if in the case of the oldest sibling never marrying, the younger siblings never marry.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Protocol has nothing to do with it, siblings can marry when they like.
Joachim married before his elder brother in Denmark, Princess Anne married before Prince Charles in the UK.

 

[Rascal]

I wonder if that impediment was not in place if madeleine would have married jonas a couple years ago same with Carl Phillip with Emma then this whole Sofia buisness would not have been an issue ? .

Actually the relationships between both couples could still have followed the same course, regardless of them being married or not. Jonas could still have cheated and possibly fathered a child with another woman. CP and/or Emma could have still gotten bored, bailed, and CP could still have rebounded with a "rebound girl".

 

[Lumutqueen]

1. Even though it has gone on this long and the "will-they-or-won't-they" discussion is incessant, I think most people assume at this point that Kate and William will be getting married....it's spoken about as if it is inevitable. Whereas the discussion of Carl-Philip and Sofia assumes it won't.

However CP and Sofia have been only dating for a year and a half, William and Kate have been dating for 8 years, talk of an engagement only started 5 years ago when there were rumours that Kate had been invited to Sandringham at Christmas.

2. W&K have been together for a LOOOONNNGG time. Yes, they lived together in college where they met, but as roommates with others sharing a house for an extensive time before their relationship developed. CP&S haven't even been together for an entire year (I think?) and are displaying affection in public (a no-no for most royals, but I don't care) and now moving in together much sooner than CP did with Emma.

A no-no for most royals perhaps, but this is the Swedish Royal Family. And I have seen a lot of pictures of Crown Prince couples showing public affection towards each other.
Yes they lived together at Uni, and are living together now if rumours are correct but just because they are moving faster than CP moved with Emma isn't a bad thing, just means they are more comfortable with each other.

3. Yes, Kate modeled in that one campus show where the dress was see-through, and her underwear/swimsuit could clearly be seen. But the photo from that is a FAR cry from the salacious, provocative, borderline pornographic images of Sofia (maybe more to do with the photographer/stylist on the shoot, but Sofia seems very at home in next-to-nothing in a pose that suggests "available" (and that's being nice). In fact, of the two, Sofia lists "model" on her resume but Kate is the only one of them who has done anything that resembles actual fashion modeling.

I never brought up anything to do with comparing the pictures because as you point out you really cannot compare the picture taken of Kate and the ones of Sofia.

4. If Kate were to do any charity work, I believe most people would think it genuine and sincere. Even after all this time and with the amount of photographers following her, she doesn't exude that "look at me" or "I want to be famous" vibe. Even if that is her goal, she tends to stay away from seeking publicity. Sofia on the other hand has stated publicly that she wants to be famous and participates in activities to achieve that end. Her charity work, I believe, is viewed overall as empty, insincere, and a means to an end (landing a title...she already landed the prince).

Kate has been asked to do Charity work many a time, and has started then mysteriously pulled out. My main point was that, Sofia is doing charity work, to prove to us and whoever else that she wants to work to change her image. Kate has only recently hid from the limelight because she was told to, her family really do the talking for her. Kate might not seem too forward but IMO her mother is. After the "Uncle Gary" incident Kate refrained from even going out to nightclubs once a month.
If she helps people in the long run, she makes CP happy and she proves herself to the royal family and sweden that she can do a good job, what does her past matter?

Kate is well educated and did nothing really serious since the graduation. She looks like the appendix of William, and that bothers me.
I don´t think she is not suitable or stupid, but her behave

Sofia is yuck! Okay, we saw not so good photos of Kate when she goes out of the car. But that is a faux pas, which is not that fatal.
But Sofia.... Did you see the photos of her, where you can see her lady zone?
Just blurry (I think that was the intention), but


That´s not an offense to you Lumutqueen, it´s good to make this question.

Kate only got an education at place like Marlborough College and St Andrews because her parents could afford it. Doesn't mean she really got a good education if she didn't take it in, which IMO she didn't. Else she would be doing something other than being at William's beck and call.

I haven't seen the pictures you mention, but these were taken before she became involved with CP, it's her past and if she regrets doing these things it should not affect her future.

 

[Rascal]

Hi, Lumutqueen, and thanks for the responses. I don't know if we have been involved in a "healthy" discussion or disagreement before, but it is refreshing to have someone not take another person's opinion and viewpoint as if it were a slap in the face and get argumentative. I really appreciate your opinion and treatment of this forum as a means to open up discussion and debate and not as a place to equate "my truth" or "your truth" with "THE truth".

BTW, good point about Kate getting but perhaps not maintaining her good education.

Thanks again for you contribution.

 

[Lorette]

As somebody who has lived in Capetown I can assure you that there is NO WAY that Sofia or any other young white woman, including Frida who works with her, would work in a township on a regular basis. My guess is she goes in there, poses for pictures and goes out. Driven by people who know how to avoid a car jacking and possible bigger damage done. That does not mean that she is not collecting money and giving it to the person who runs the project in Langa, certainly a local woman.

 

[LadyFinn]

Sofia again:
Project Playground

 

[Lorette]

How come the children are not disabled? I thought it is a project for disabled children, at least that is what was said in the presentation of the lipgloss.

 

[KitKat2006]

Oh please! When the last photo from her current visit to South-Africa was posted everyone was screaming why she wasn't interacting with the kids. Now she's right in the middle of them all and even carries one on her arms and it's still not good enough? Maybe there was just a misunderstanding and they didn't mean disabled kids but disadvantaged kids.

I like this new photo more than the other one, but I don't think it was a bad photo before. You don't always have to be right in the middle to do something good. She was standing behind the kids and was talking to them. What's wrong with that? Oh wait, it's Sofia, the naughty, bad gold-digger, in the picture and not holy Lady Diana, Waity Katie or someone entirely else. I'm sorry I haven't thought about that before.

 

[Jonquil]

Sofia again:
Project Playground

Is it just me or does she favor the right side of her face? If I recall correctly there are several pictures on her website taken from a similar angle as this picture.

Nothing wrong with a girl wanting to look good in pictures, but considering her altruistic nature one would assume she would think there were more pressing matters at hand.

 

[nascarlucy]

Children who are disabled don't always show outwards signs of it. It could be a learning disability, mental challenges or a physical disablity that doesn't show outwardly. By looking at the picture you can't really tell if the children have disabilities or are disadvantaged.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Also, Carl Philip isn't heir to the throne so he'll be given more flexibility- especially after Victoria has her first child.

We are assuming that Victoria and Daniel CAN or will have children...that is not at all certain.

As long as they do not PCP is next in line to the throne after Victoria. And if he is permitted to marry Sofia, she could become Queen of Sweden.

God forbid. I will start my prayers.

 

[PetraHel]

We are assuming that Victoria and Daniel CAN or will have children...that is not at all certain.

As long as they do not PCP is next in line to the throne after Victoria. And if he is permitted to marry Sofia, she could become Queen of Sweden.

God forbid. I will start my prayers.

It would be really funny, such a Queen!
On the other hand, Swedes are always eager to break traditions and so-called stereotypes, which they regard as harmful, so with semi-naked Princess Sofia they would get what they deserve! At least they would have a great opportunity to show their open-mindness!

 

[ilovemonaco]

well we will just have to wait how their relationship will turn out

 

[Moonmaiden23]

My guess is that PCP won't make any move toward an engagement with Sofia(if that is where this is headed) UNTIL Victoria and Daniel have a child.

He knows that the birth of a child would remove him further from the Succession and take some of the pressure off of him to find a more suitable spouse.

I simply cannot imagine that the King, Queen or Parliament would consider accepting a future Queen Sofia!

 

[Nathalie Cox]

^That makes sense. If everything goes fine for them (CP and Sofia) they will probably get engaged after Victoria has a child. Well, it's a possibility.

 

[MoonShadow123]

I seriously doubt Prince Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist will ever marry.

 

[LadyFinn]

Sofia Hellqvist jobbar på i Sydafrika | Svensk Damtidning

 

[PetraHel]

I seriously doubt Prince Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist will ever marry.

Well, everything is possible, but I have my doubts too. I don´t think Prince CP ever wants to marry in years to come. His looong relationship with Emma didn´t lead to engagement either. And to be honest, I think that men generally are not too eager to MARRY such girls, being in succession line or not.

 

[cd_1]

such girls? girls such as emma? or sofia?

 

[Lumutqueen]

^That makes sense. If everything goes fine for them (CP and Sofia) they will probably get engaged after Victoria has a child. Well, it's a possibility.

Sounds like the best possibility IMO.