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Old 11-24-2011, 05:30 AM
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I don´t care about Sofia´s nude pictures,if no woman wanted to pose nude half of our museums would be empty and there wouldn´t be any Peter Paul Rubens or Egon Schiele paintings...no one should be ashamed of their body,but so far Sofia´s behaviour doesn´t show much of sincerity and dignity.
I guess this discussion won´t come to an end but I believe that some people have class (which they also keep when taking off their clothes) and some don´t.You can´t buy it or get it by doing some charity work but it´s something deeply rooted within your personality.
Mette-Marit,Daniel,Mary,Catherine and Letizia have this kind of quality but I just can´t see it in Sofia.While she is very pretty and might be a nice,likeable girl to be with I don´t think she´s suitable to be a representative of the royal family.
There are also some royals who have behaved not-so-good in the past (Prince Charles cheating on Diana,Prince Albert having 2 children out of wedlock,Carl Gustav and his affairs etc.) but they have all tried very hard to make up for it and do their royal duties as good as possible.
Making mistakes is normal,everyone sometimes does or says thing which we later regret but not trying to do better afterwards (or pretending that nothing has happened)is not the right way to deal with it.
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:14 PM
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First, we are not talking about other princesses and their lives...this is about Sofia.
This may be about Sofia, but I don't get why we're never allowed to bring in other people as comparsions here. As long as the main topic is on the person the thread is about it should be allowed to mention others every now and then to point certain things out. Instead every time we do it we get a virtuell slap on the fingers and/or an official warning.

And like it or not, Mette-Marit, Letizia. Maxima and even Mary are perfect examples for commoners who were ones titled "unsiutable" of being a princess (for certian reasons) and now they're doing a great job. So why do most people think Sofia isn't able to do the same those women did? Just because of some nude pictures? Or attending a reality show? Does this really, honestly show one isn't capable of doing a good job as a princess? Does this really rule one out completely? I don't think so. In my opinion everything she has done since she dates CP she's more then capable of doing the job as a swedish princess in the second row behind Madeleine and Victoria.

She hasn't done anything wrong in that time, so why not look forward for once and really give her a chance now? Because it seems that she has outgrown the wild, growing-up years. And her past has one point that speaks for her in comparsion to a few of the above mentioned women: Sofia already knows how it is to live a public life. Granted, it wasn't that public than a life at CPs side is and would be if she even marries him. But she is forewarned and doesn't get shocked to much like Mette-Marit, Mary or poor shy Diana were when they walked into the picture. And her liking the spotlight has even another point for her. She can steal a bit of the public attention and camera attention from CP who we all now doesn't like to be in the spotlight very much. Looking at things like that they balance each other out perfectly and she's a great match for him. Has anyone ever thought of that?

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What is it about Sofia that makes her an appropriate choice for a girlfriend or future wife? What is it about her that makes her an appropriate choice for a future princess if that is where this all leads? Answering that would not only avoid criticising fellow poster but would also actually address their comments and the issue at hand more directly.
To your second question: She could be completely wrong but she could also be completely right for this job. But if she doesn't get the chance to proof it she can't show that she has what makes her a good princess, if she really has it.

To your first question: What makes her an appropriate choice as a girlfriend or future wife is simply the fact that her boyfriend / hypotetically future husband seems to love her. It's nothing more needed for getting this special "job". Plain and easy. It's as simple and logic as that.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:05 PM
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Does anyone know Barbro Ehnbom's official website? She is Sofia's mentor.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:08 PM
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I found this BBB - Barbro's Best & Brightest but the link to her own homepage doesn´t seem to work...
http://www2.hhs.se/femaleeconomist/barbro.htm->short text about Barbro Ehnbom
Here´s Barbro Ehnbom´s CV,it is quite impressive: http://www.salss.com/curriculum-vitae_barbro.htm
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:55 AM
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I completely agree with Lady Finn's earlier post.

I am sure they will get away with marriage but in the long run such alliances will only further devalue the Swedish monarchy, no matter if CP will become Mr Bernadotte or not. Scandals, lazy siblings and I dont see Victoria as a great saviour, she will have to handle being a monarch, mother and wife, with the support of a loving but possibly very ill husband at some time in the future.
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:01 AM
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There are also some royals who have behaved not-so-good in the past (Prince Charles cheating on Diana,Prince Albert having 2 children out of wedlock,Carl Gustav and his affairs etc.) but they have all tried very hard to make up for it and do their royal duties as good as possible.
I have to agree here. If Charles could marry Camilla, who incidently behaved in a MUCH worse manner whilst she was his mistress using the excuse of LOVE, I see no reason why Prince Carl Philip should not be permitted to marry Sophia. Other royal houses have had numerous scandals which were conveniently swept under the carpet now there is suddenly a big fuss about Sophia who actually has not done anything to harm anyone. If Carl Philip LOVES Sophia, at least give their relationship a chance. Sophia may just surprise everyone and be the pillar that Carl Philip needs.
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Old 11-25-2011, 05:22 AM
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There are also some royals who have behaved not-so-good in the past (Prince Charles cheating on Diana,Prince Albert having 2 children out of wedlock,Carl Gustav and his affairs etc.) but they have all tried very hard to make up for it and do their royal duties as good as possible.
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Don't forget Diana cheating on Charles too,

However I think comparing them to Charles and Diana is a bit off, because before the marriage Diana was the perfect candidate to be a wife. Whereas in this situation, Sofia isn't.

I think Sofia has the right to marry Carl-Philip if they love each other, but I don't think that Carl-Philip should retain his Princely title.
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:15 AM
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Don't forget Diana cheating on Charles too,

However I think comparing them to Charles and Diana is a bit off, because before the marriage Diana was the perfect candidate to be a wife. Whereas in this situation, Sofia isn't.

I think Sofia has the right to marry Carl-Philip if they love each other, but I don't think that Carl-Philip should retain his Princely title.
Well said!!Completely agree!
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Old 11-26-2011, 11:51 AM
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I didn´t want to compare Charles to Carl Philip or Diana to Sofia (they were both cheating on each other &it was a completely different situation) but show that royals have made some mistakes too,but I guess if you want to look for them you will find them in any (royal) family;-)

Completely agree with Lumutqueen on this:I think Sofia has the right to marry Carl-Philip if they love each other, but I don't think that Carl-Philip should retain his Princely title.

They seem to be quite fond of each other and I´m sure they can be happy together but a princess should be a kind of role model for other girls/women and Sofia might be a nice person but I wouldn´t want young girls to follow her example...
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Old 11-27-2011, 03:56 PM
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I always thought Madeleine is this party girl, who doesn´t do anything. But the last months she got more serious and I really believe she worries about the Royal Family. Her father already damaged the reputation, and CP will ridicule them. And that´s a normal reaction. I would also be not amused about this choice of a girlfriend. It´s not like she did nude photos or reality show because she needed the money for finance her study. She uses CP for fame. And if it´s true that she treats him like dirt, yes, wow, good catch CP!
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Old 11-27-2011, 04:08 PM
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I don't know Sofia personally, maybe she's nice girl but for me young woman who posed naked for fame is not suitable as a princess. Yes, in the past and now we have less or more controversial royals, but I don't remember anyone who has naked picture with snake. If it is a real love I wish them all the best, but I would like to see CP give up her title. Wondering if he would be still attractive for Sofia without privileges of SRF's member?
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Old 11-27-2011, 09:44 PM
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I don't know Sofia personally, maybe she's nice girl but for me young woman who posed naked for fame is not suitable as a princess. Yes, in the past and now we have less or more controversial royals, but I don't remember anyone who has naked picture with snake. If it is a real love I wish them all the best, but I would like to see CP give up her title. Wondering if he would be still attractive for Sofia without privileges of SRF's member?
if it was only the picture with the snake, where Sofia is at least wearing panties. most pictures circulating about her are borderline porn.
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Do the press in Sweden comment on the relationship and much as people on these boards do? Do they take the same negative attitude towards Sofia as many posters here?
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Old 11-27-2011, 11:31 PM
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Do the press in Sweden comment on the relationship and much as people on these boards do? Do they take the same negative attitude towards Sofia as many posters here?
I've been wondering the same thing... looking forward to hearing the answer from someone who knows.
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Old 11-28-2011, 12:46 AM
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Cleopatra was a Queen and posed naked inside a rug (the snake came later).
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Old 11-28-2011, 01:29 AM
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Cleopatra was a Queen and posed naked inside a rug (the snake came later).
I cannot stop laughing! That was way too funny for a private thanks! Thank you for making me laugh!
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Old 11-28-2011, 05:14 AM
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Do the press in Sweden comment on the relationship and much as people on these boards do? Do they take the same negative attitude towards Sofia as many posters here?
Svensk Damtidning is writing about her as "our next princess"... and the comments on the SvD website are like this:

but some people like her
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Old 11-28-2011, 05:27 AM
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Svensk Damtidning is writing about her as "our next princess"... and the comments on the SvD website are like this:

but some people like her
LOL at your description of the comments! I guess we shall have to wait and see.
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Old 11-28-2011, 06:36 AM
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He should look at Prince Johan Friso of the Netherlands as an example. And Mabel was a well-educated young lady, only with not so nice social connections in her past. Still the prince left the Royal House, married more or less privately and left the Netherlands to live with his wife and family in the Uk.

There are so many nice ladies out there with a good education but without a "past" who would make decent princesses and act in support of the RF. As this is no longer possible for Sofia, she should not expect to become a princess by marriage but settle for the name Mrs. Bernadotte and no Royal privileges. Or give up the prince. I'm all for marrying because of love but still the bride must be at least decent. What she did in her private life is hers (think Camilla, who never asked for exposure and did never comment) but once you allowed yourself to become notorious, you should not strive to bring down the first family of the land to your niveau.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:40 AM
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Cleopatra was a Queen and posed naked inside a rug (the snake came later).

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Svensk Damtidning is writing about her as "our next princess"... and the comments on the SvD website are like this:

but some people like her
Svensk Damtidning must really like her. As long as she's with CP, there will be no lack of headlines.
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