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Old 11-03-2011, 05:40 PM
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I do agree here. Give the girl a chance. She may just end up doing a good job and rise up to be a successful princess. It would be different is she was still posing nude after an official engagement. In any case, Prince Carl Philip's association with her would not be the first scandal to hit a royal house.
Forgive me for saying this, but would you want your son to bring home someone who has that sort of past? Who has behaved like this before? This isn't just about tawdry, but about the possibility that she might have some serious issues that need addressing in regards to her mental or emotional state. These days, with the little power that RF's have, they need to be all the more careful. How on earth is Sofia supposed to be taken seriously with that sort of past? Why should Carl marry someone who has to be worked on? Why not someone who doesn't have such a hideous past? If her past is her cross to bear, then let her bear it! She brought it on herself. Sweden isn't Thailand where there is only one way for women to make a living and only one way to survive, much less succeed. How on earth is Carl supposed to take Sofia to Middle Eastern countries or to diplomatic gatherings and not have the guests disgusted at having to receive her.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:01 PM
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Forgive me for saying this, but would you want your son to bring home someone who has that sort of past? Who has behaved like this before? This isn't just about tawdry, but about the possibility that she might have some serious issues that need addressing in regards to her mental or emotional state. These days, with the little power that RF's have, they need to be all the more careful. How on earth is Sofia supposed to be taken seriously with that sort of past? Why should Carl marry someone who has to be worked on? Why not someone who doesn't have such a hideous past? If her past is her cross to bear, then let her bear it! She brought it on herself. Sweden isn't Thailand where there is only one way for women to make a living and only one way to survive, much less succeed. How on earth is Carl supposed to take Sofia to Middle Eastern countries or to diplomatic gatherings and not have the guests disgusted at having to receive her.
Because he won't ever be able to marry anyone if he has to wait for someone who doesn't need to be worked on. That's why. That sort of perfect woman simply doesn't exist. Sofia is as good or bad as anyone else when it comes to this particular point. And she's the one he apparently loves. So she's the obvious choice for the "royal-makeover-crew". It's as simple as that.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:16 AM
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I'm not Sofia fan by any stretch of the imagination, but doing tasteless nudes does not equal having emotional or mental issues. In her case it was motivated by wanting to be rich and famous, which is what she has achieved.

Also while it true that perfect doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean that there is't better. Just because there is no 10 doesn't mean a soft core porn star gets elevated to someone who -insert the thousands of respectful career paths out there-. I've still have see no evidence that she has any current independent source of income at the moment.
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Old 11-04-2011, 01:22 AM
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Also while it true that perfect doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean that there is't better. Just because there is no 10 doesn't mean a soft core porn star gets elevated to someone who -insert the thousands of respectful career paths out there-.
I agree with that sentiment. Why can't Carl date and marry someone with a job other than posing half naked. Perfection does not (thankfully) exist and it's not like it means that Sofia is acceptable. There are a lot of young ladies out there that have clearly defined and respectable jobs, plus there are a lot of young women who DON'T have nude photos or photos of them in bikinis wearing a python snake as a top.
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Old 11-04-2011, 03:39 PM
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I agree with that sentiment. Why can't Carl date and marry someone with a job other than posing half naked. Perfection does not (thankfully) exist and it's not like it means that Sofia is acceptable. There are a lot of young ladies out there that have clearly defined and respectable jobs, plus there are a lot of young women who DON'T have nude photos or photos of them in bikinis wearing a python snake as a top.
Maybe because he didn't look at her past first but at the present woman standing right before him? Maybe it's not important to him how a woman makes her living but, for example, what she looks like, that she's a good sense of humor, that she's accepting his car racing hobby and most importantly, maybe he just looks for a woman who's being able to handle what his position is throwing out at him? Because no matter what, every woman who really get's herself involved with a royal is trading her former more or less public life for a life under a microscope. That's not an easy thing to do. And an outgoing woman like Sofia is more suitable to a life like that than a shy one like Diana has been.

By the way, Carl Philip had girlfriend with a decent job for nearly a decade and look where that brought either of them. Certainly not into a marriage. So it seems like the job of the woman in question is really not something he is bothering about. And that's perfectly fine because there are more important things when it comes to building a relationship. Things like mentioned above.
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:21 PM
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So it seems like the job of the woman in question is really not something he is bothering about. And that's perfectly fine because there are more important things when it comes to building a relationship. Things like mentioned above.

True - that would be fine .. if they didn't live by the taxpayer and wouldn't want to take on officials roles for their country.

.. THAT's the crucial point - so for me it is quite clear - he can have her and go private or if they don't - well - that's another nail to the coffin of swedens royal family...
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Old 11-04-2011, 05:19 PM
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He hasn't done much work this past year so it's that that big of a request that the steps down completely. Who knows it might work out to be best for him if he gives up the public role that way he can finish his degree and focus more on his designs, his farm and racing.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:19 AM
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Maybe we should have a thread to Carl Philip´s and Sofia´s events, because this doesn´t exactly belong here, it isn´t a press report.

From a blog:
Sofia has been on a Viking Line ship with her sister promoting her yoga clothes, and of course she mentioned also Project Playground.
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Old 11-11-2011, 03:19 AM
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When I read about Sofia, all the other "commoners married into royalty" look like 24 karat gold in comparison to her
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Old 11-11-2011, 03:25 AM
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She is being groomed, no question about that. i am sure we will see an engagement next year, after the euphoria about Victoria's baby has calmed down.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:27 AM
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At the cover of Expressen:
Sofia´s crisis - she is now supported by the court
http://cdnstatic.expressen.se/polopo...rticleFull.jpg

The article isn´t at their site yet. But I guess it maybe be related to this article in Svensk Damtidning:

The head of the information and press department of the court, Bertil Ternert, told to Svensk Damtidning, that Sofia has told to the court, that she wants to learn more about how she will manage at the public environment. She is obviously interested in knowing more about the public environment as a result of this media interest as she has experienced. That's right, tells Ternert.
That the information manager even receiving such a request, and confirms it in the media, allows speculation about an engagement coming soon.
Prince Daniel didn´t have the permission to move officially to Victoria´s apartment before the engagement (Ternert confirmed ages ago that Carl Philip and Sofia are living together) and he didn´t get any help with how to handle the publicity from the court, absolutely not. Instead, he himself contacted a public relations agency in Stockholm.

Svensk Damtidning is wondering, that Sofia turning to the court on this issue may be it´s like it's an engagement coming?
- No, no. I do not perveive that there is a crisis management going on and I do not perceive that there is some training going on special.
Do you think that there is an engagement coming?
- I do not perceive it either.
Sofia vill nu lära sig mer om den offentliga miljön | Svensk Damtidning
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:02 AM
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Ternert needs to be gagged and thrown in the dungeons under Drottningholm. His incessant blabber about what should be, and are, private matters of currently a private person is not doing anyone any favours.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:16 AM
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He's not doing a very good job as spokesman is he? Gah!
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:09 AM
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I think the way Daniel was treated is rather normal for royals in general, before engagement there is usualy hardly any comment about a possible relationship.

I wonder what is the reason behind going down a different - in a negative sense - path in case of Sofia.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:56 PM
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I am pretty sure an engagement is coming and who knows maybe Sophia will prove herself. So far there is something about her that gives me the creeps although I don't why. Just a bad feeling.
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I think the way Daniel was treated is rather normal for royals in general, before engagement there is usualy hardly any comment about a possible relationship.

I wonder what is the reason behind going down a different - in a negative sense - path in case of Sofia.
I agree, while it may have seemed that the way Daniel was treated by the court before his engagement was harsh or non-existant, that is simply how it is done in royal houses i.e. Kate in the BRF.

Besides Sofia's obvious lacking in the suitability of being a princess it's the way the court and specifically the court press department treat/help her that irks me. Is there some favouritism for Carl Philip in the works here?

It will be interesting to see how any story relating to Chris O'Neill will be handled in the future...
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Old 11-14-2011, 10:38 AM
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It may be, that Bertil Ternet may have convinced the king to be more "open" towards the press.
But: if this openness then results dreadful interviews of the king (like the one in summer) or the shoot-forward messages of Ternet regarding Sofia, then we can look forward to more questionnable semi-announcements from the court.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:19 AM
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Carl Philip and Sofia met Carl Philip´s former girlfriend Emma Pernald and her boyfriend Tomas Jonson at a christening of the baby of Carl Philips friends at the Östermalm church last Sunday, tells finnish Iltasanomat, which quotes Expressen. Sofia and Emma have met never before. Emma and Tomas arrived early, but Carl Philip and Sofia came just before the ceremony started. So they noticed eachother only when the christening was over. Some people who saw them told to Expressen, that the meeting was cold. Sofia wouldn´t have wanted to meet Emma, but when Emma and Tomas came to greet Carl Philip, Sofia had to come to them too. The meeting was very brief.
Carl Philipin tyttöystävä Sofia Hellqvist ja exä Emma Pernald kohtasivat - Ilta-Sanomat
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I am trying to understand why the press is making an issue of Sofia and Emma not meeting or the idea that Sofia is heistant to meet with Emma. Apparently both Carl and Emma have moved on, there was no overlap. What are they trying to infer?

I don't get it.

Either way. I miss Emma! I always thought she was (from what we know) a lovely girl (i.e attractive, appeared to get along very well with members of the immdeadiate family and above all discreet. Perfect combination IMO for a potential daughter in law for a King).

Oh well, maybe it was the right girl at the wrong time or just not the right girl for Carl Phillip.
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:39 AM
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I am trying to understand why the press is making an issue of Sofia and Emma not meeting or the idea that Sofia is heistant to meet with Emma. Apparently both Carl and Emma have moved on, there was no overlap. What are they trying to infer?

I don't get it.
Maybe because the press points out, like in this story, that Sofia knows very well that many of Carl Philip´s friends would have hoped that Carl Philip and Emma would have reunited.
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