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Old 09-28-2011, 08:54 PM
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I am also on the fence about Sofia. Certainly she will never be able to erase the past. A lot depends on the next year with Victoria and Daniel and the new baby. Having a healthy heir to the throne relieves much of the burden on Carl Philip and frees up his choices to include someone with a past that was....very well documented, shall we say.

At some point, though, marrying not just commoners but those with a "common" past doesn't preserve a monarchy or royalty; it detracts from it. Standards can relax without being pitched overboard completely. I'll be curious as to how Sofia comports herself point-forward.

I think it was premature for the blogger to openly say "the next princess" (rough translation.) I think the couple has a ways to go before that hurdle is cleared.
Yeah, I am going to need you to get out of my head. That to me is the main point (other than what appears to be Sofia's desire for fame). Before I go on, I must say that everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and a variety of different opinions makes a discussion board all that more interesting.

But for the life of me, I can't see why some people don't see the basic point for those of us who have expressed reservations about this relationship (myself included). Its not that we are all haters, that we don't go for a nice love story, and that we don't want the Cinderella ending for Carl Phillip (rich boy/girl who is a princess and/or princess marries the girl next door), and that we don't believe in fairy tales and sugar and spice and everything nice and all that.

Its the commonness of it all. And before anyone says I am being a snob....I will confess you are right. I am being a snob who totally believes in a democracy, and that everyone is equal regardless of your race, sex, sexual orientation, all of it. But I also (despite the fact that I am an American) believe in the constitutional monarchy. I guess as long as it someone else's it doesn't matter.

That's why I agree with (and bolded) NotAPretender's post and I will repost it again:

At some point, though, marrying not just commoners but those with a "common" past doesn't preserve a monarchy or royalty; it detracts from it. Standards can relax without being pitched overboard completely.

I enjoy the Swedish Royal Family a bit too much to see it go away because CP and Sofia are in love, and potentially want to marry and have kids. And I disagree with the repeated sentiment that everyone should just deal with it. If they do proceed to the next step, as non Swedish citizen, I shall certainly have to deal with it. But if as NaP stated, what if the Swedish people instead of just dealing with it decide that a Princess with a common past doesn't deserve to be royalty, and its better to scrap the whole thing altogether.

I hope that some happy balance is reached, that all parties involved are happy and loved (really I have nothing personal against Sofia other than she made some not so good life choices), and that the history and tradition of the Swedish Royal Family are bigger than CP and Sofia.


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Any chance that Emma P comes back on the scene? I really liked her.
Didn't we all. Or rather, we really didn't know enough information about her to dislike or and/or anything that we did know certainly wasn't on par for Sofia's "past."
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:13 AM
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I've noticed a lot of 'but shes so pretty/beautiful' comments, not just here mind you, and I don't get it. Yes shes good looking, she dresses good, but that shouldn't white wash her past. I rather see him with someone who is down right hideous but with a nice, respectable career. I'm not trying suggest that she can't be a nice person, but someone who's name when googled, shows connects to a soft-core porn magazine (which is basically what Slitz addeds up too doesn't it? Or do people 'just get it for the articles' like with playboy?), photos of her posing topless, a trashy reality tv show (Paradise Hotel) and to that person boasting about making out with a porn star isn't the material to marry into a royal family. After Jonas was found out (about the hook up with the girl from norway) it was said that the press had know about his 'partying' but held back, who to say that they aren't just holding back on Sofia and that if they do get married they will then release more negative article about her? If she made her living as a 'glamour model' then there has to be more photos then what is already out there from other shots, and those photographs could make quite a bit of money releasing them if they ever got engaged.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:09 AM
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I read from today´s finnish Iltasanomat, which quotes Expressen:
Queen Silvia forced Madeleine to accept Sofia. The director of the Information and Press Department, Bertil Ternert said to Expressen:
- I have spoken about Sofia Hellqvist with Madeleine and she assured to me that they have a good relationship.
According to Iltasanomat and Expressen, queen Silvia has explained the seriousness of this situation to Madeleine, by saying that you have to learn to live with this. Now Madeleine has told to the information department and to the royal family, that there isn´t any problem between her and Sofia anymore.
According to Expressen, they reconciled already some time ago.
- Because the princess lives in USA, she doesn´t meet Sofia very often. But when they meet, they get along, said Ternert.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:15 AM
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I read from today´s finnish Iltasanomat, which quotes Expressen:
Queen Silvia forced Madeleine to accept Sofia. The director of the Information and Press Department, Bertil Ternert said to Expressen:
- I have spoken about Sofia Hellqvist with Madeleine and she assured to me that they have a good relationship.
According to Iltasanomat and Expressen, queen Silvia has explained the seriousness of this situation to Madeleine, by saying that you have to learn to live with this. Now Madeleine has told to the information department and to the royal family, that there isn´t any problem between her and Sofia anymore.
According to Expressen, they reconciled already some time ago.
- Because the princess lives in USA, she doesn´t meet Sofia very often. But when they meet, they get along, said Ternert.
Why is he talking about their relationship?! Did he not take lessons in royal PR where you never comment on their private lives?
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:22 AM
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Why is he talking about their relationship?! Did he not take lessons in royal PR where you never comment on their private lives?
Maybe he's talking because he was told to talk?
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:24 AM
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IMO there would never be so much hassle about Sofia if engagement & marriage wasnt already a done decision within SRF. Its only about whitewashing her past for some time before there we can expect an announcement. A little bit of charity and a great relationship with the inlaws may make people forget posing nude with a snake.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:28 AM
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Why is he talking about their relationship?! Did he not take lessons in royal PR where you never comment on their private lives?
We already found out several times, that Ternet isn´t better than Eldh.... so he must have "forgotten" it ....

Ok, back to reality: it really seems, that a lot of people are grounding the way for an announcement. My prediction was in autumn, maybe I am wrong here and it will be in Spring, nevertheless I see this more and more on the horizon. And: as soon as a healthy future heir(ess) is born, this is no longer so dramatically seen as many posters still do here in this thread!

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Old 10-10-2011, 11:23 AM
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Why they forced Madeleine to like Sofia? She doesn't like CP's girlfriend and she has a right to do it. I don't blame her. She will live in NY and girl which posed naked with snake will attend at the Nobles and will be a princess. Fact that palace PR team is talking about means probably that the engagement and wedding are possible. I don't know how Sweden will handle it.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:42 AM
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There is no way Queen Silvia can force Madeleine to like Sofia.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:46 AM
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I suppose no one can.
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:15 PM
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Of course you cannot force somebody to like someone else but you can force somebody to accept some facts, move on and get along. Nobody has to be best friends, being polite when meeting is good enough. Just be professional, this is what the SRF is asking from Madeleine (if the rumours are true at all) and with regard to the big picture, the SRF representing Sweden, its ok to do so.
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Old 10-10-2011, 02:02 PM
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Of course you cannot force somebody to like someone else but you can force somebody to accept some facts, move on and get along. Nobody has to be best friends, being polite when meeting is good enough. Just be professional, this is what the SRF is asking from Madeleine (if the rumours are true at all) and with regard to the big picture, the SRF representing Sweden, its ok to do so.
If the rumours about Madeleine's strong dislike for Sofia is true, a forced acceptance of her might mean that Madeleine will rush into a marriage and stay in the U.S.A., and stop coming to Sweden for representation as Sweden wouldn't be her home-country any more.
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I am by no means a Sofia supporter but its not up to Madeleine to approve or disapprove of her brother's partner - all a sibling can do is put up with it and respect the decision.
It would be up to the King (and Queen) to approve or disapprove with respect to the future of the institution and its representatives.

But to me it seems that this family has been - in contrast to the public image - dysfunctional for many years and since various scandals have come to light, they have become tired to holding up the facade.
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But to me it seems that this family has been - in contrast to the public image - dysfunctional for many years and since various scandals have come to light, they have become tired to holding up the facade.
I think you are not that far from truth with this. It's actually surprising that they were able to hold up the facade for that long.

As for Sofia, I think she and CP are a done deal for some time and it's just about the right timing of the engagement announcement. It won't come until Victoria's baby is born, but they might drop the bomb before the christening next year. That gives them time to whitewash Sofia's past a bit more, Svensk Damtidning is already working on that and if the rumors of SRF stopping a sale of another series of soft porn photos are true, then they are conscientiously working on that too. As for Madeleine, she was just probably told to do what she is supposed to do, pretend that everything is good. What she really things is her problem, on the outside they are one big happy family, Sofia included. I don't think we'll see her in Sweden much in the future, but that won't make any difference to the current state.

I'm really looking forward to how Sweden will handle this possible engagement and marriage, for me personally Sofia is moving the imaginary bar set for royal girlfriends/wife's several level's down.
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Maybe he's talking because he was told to talk?
If Madeleine thought the image of a 29-year-old woman being told to do something by her mother was something he needed to say her behalf, then she lacks the capacity to serve as a representative of Sweden and I then question her intelligence as well...
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Ternert gets his orders from the King and it seems to me that King and Queen have decided that Sofia is the one for CP and are now on a PR roll to get away with the Swedish public.

To mention Madeleine in all this is stupid and so easy to expose as a poor PR strategy (happy family image, we all like her and so should you, forget about the past etc), but hey, this is what we are used to get from the SRF, poor PR strategies, remember, Terner sat next to the King when he was asked to define "stripper" and the King duly searched for an answer, the Head of State of Sweden, seriously
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Totally agree, they had very bad PR stategies,there are other Royal families in Europe who handle scandals,rumours and all kind of difficulties better and more elegant.The interview with the king was done so badly that I wish he hadn´t said a single word....if it wasn´t for Queen Silvia,CP Victoria&Daniel,Sweden would have probably abolished monarchy already....
I wouldn´t mind if Sofia marries her prince and do whatever she likes if she doesn´t receive the princess title...it would be unfair to all the decent,disciplined,intelligent,educated princesses who had to work hard to be accepted by the public...
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:30 PM
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I agree with on that last bit, it would be unfair to all those with decent backgrounds to give her a title. And not just no princess/duchess title, this may sound harsh but no public function either, no tax funding for her, no Nobel appearances, no state representation, if she wishes to continue doing charity work, it should be as a private citizen and not sponsored as a working member of the family. With the internet it's impossible to really white wash her history, a journalists at any time can dig it back up. If the case was someone like her marrying a politician then things would be different because the spouse doesn't (usually) have a role, the position is not permit and the public gets to express their opinion be it approval or disapproval, but with royalty its more permanent.
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Prince Carl Philip with Sofia Hellqvist at the Football match Sweden - Netherlands (3-2) for the qualifing round to EURO 2012. October 11, 2011

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A couple of photos of Carl Philip and Sofia at the football match
Carl Philip ja tyttöystävä Sofia bongattiin jalkapallokatsomosta | Lehtikuva | lehtikuva.fi
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