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Old 09-11-2011, 02:11 AM
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Is it horrible being married to someone who doesn't have this sort of stuff out there?
Yes it is realy horrible, if he is not in love with that hypothetical woman!

(And so I repeat stubbornly : We don´t know Yet if they are going to become engaged and later on married).
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:58 AM
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Why not someone who already has it together, that doesn't have to be worked on? Why not someone who doesn't have that sort of baggage and doesn't at all have such tawdry pictures out there? Is it horrible being married to someone who doesn't have this sort of stuff out there?
Why? Because CP is not in love with this fictional woman you have created, he is in love with Sofia.
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Old 09-11-2011, 05:09 AM
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Carl Philip met Sofia for the first time in the summer 2008 in Båstad. Carl Philip was there with a number of good friends. One afternoon he was at a cafe when Sofia Hellqvist suddenly appeared. She and Carl Philip were introduced to each other. Carl Philip continued with Emma to a holiday at St. Maxime.
Sofia became interessed in charity work. Carl Philip and Emma separated at February 2009. According to Expressen, after Carl Philip and Emma broke up, Carl Philip phoned to Sofia. First they contacted just by telephone, but soon they started seeing eachother, by going to the movies in the dark so that they couldn´t be seen and meeting eachother at the clubs, who are owned by trusted friends of Carl Philip.
Prins Carl Philips hemliga möten med Sofia Hellqvist - Extra - Expressen

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Old 09-11-2011, 06:45 AM
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Prince Carl-Filip shall merry the girl he loves. I like Sofia. She is a modern women. We live in 2011 and it is not a fairytale!
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Old 09-11-2011, 06:50 AM
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Modern? She reminds me of a bad copy of Lola Montez (no offence to Miss Montez).
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:14 AM
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She is a modern women. We live in 2011 and it is not a fairytale!
So a woman in 2011 is supposed to be "modern" when posing nude in order to get public attention? I have a different idea of modern, liberated women in in the 21st century.
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:15 AM
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I don´t know miss Montez or who she is. But I´ve met Sofia, and she is warm, intelligent, clever and good looking. Congratulations to Sweden and Carl-Filip!

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So a woman in 2011 is supposed to be "modern" when posing nude in order to get public attention?

A little skin is nothing. Worse with them using drugs.
She is trained with media and that´s good.
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:43 AM
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Exactly; she should know better and she should be making her own way in the world rather than using her body. If she didn't know better, she wouldn't be working at rehabilitating her image as much as she is now. At what point do people draw the line? At what point does someone be held accountable for their actions? What on earth makes this woman so suitable? A lot of commoner men wouldn't take her seriously and yet a man of higher social status, a prince, might be seriously considering her as marriage material and she might become a princess?
Honestly, everyone talks about her not being suitable, not being princess material or marriage material since the day the press got wind of their "whatever it is they have". Has anyone ever thought about the fact that Carl Philip doesn't think about marriage material or princess material first whenever he meets a nice girl? I mean, look at Emma. She was perfect in every way but is she his wife and a princess right now? No. So it's useless for him to think about things like this. He likes Sofia, she likes him, both are behaving nicely, there are no scandals involving them since they're socializing (that's what his father and little sister were there for). So why all this fuss. Does he really have to think of marriage material and princess material when he meets someone for whom he might feel more then just friendship for? I think not, because this is simply idiotic.

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Why not someone who already has it together, that doesn't have to be worked on? Why not someone who doesn't have that sort of baggage and doesn't at all have such tawdry pictures out there? Is it horrible being married to someone who doesn't have this sort of stuff out there?
Why? Because at this very moment he loves this particular woman. And I'm sure he hasn't thought about making her his wife when he started flirting with her. And why should he? There's no need to think about siutability and being perfect material in everything. Even if so, this royal family knows more than any other royal family right now that perfect material in everything doesn't last forever (like Emma) or is just a nice but false covering (like Jonas).

And no, its not horrible to be married to a perfect stepford wife if he really loves her. But it's definitely horrible to be married to someone like that if he doesn't love her and does it just because he feels the need to satisfy his subjects. Just look at the never ending soap drama between Charles, Camilla and Diana. If he would have been allowed to marry the woman he really loves there wouldn't have been so many tears and dramas and a tragical accident in the end. But if you really think the UK-system of handling these things is better I really can't help you (and before there's yelling and fumming against me again let me add that I don't mean this last sentence as a personal insult to you but as matter-of-factly stating facts).
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Yes it is realy horrible, if he is not in love with that hypothetical woman!

(And so I repeat stubbornly : We don´t know Yet if they are going to become engaged and later on married).
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Why? Because CP is not in love with this fictional woman you have created, he is in love with Sofia.
Some of the "supporters" of Sofia have stubbornly and repeatedly (like Karisma in the first quote) said we shouldn't even be having discussion about her because we don't even know that they will become engaged or get married. Furthermore, they have said (in error, IMO) that they are just "hanging out" and not even "officially" in a relationship.

Yet in the same breath will imply or state right out (like Karisma and Lumutqueen both do above and KitKat2006 in the previous post) that CP is in love with Sofia, using that as a justification as to why CP isn't/couldn't be involved with a woman without the baggage that comes along with Sofia....stubbornly and repeatedly avoiding two simple facts - CP has made an irresponsible choice, regardless of his love feelings or the acceptance (which does not equal approval) of his family; and Sofia has made irresponsible choices in her life and regardless of her current or future actions, those irresponsible choices will follow her forever.

BTW...the "supporters" of Sofia frequently ask how her critics even know that there will be a marriage. For Karisma, and specifically Lumutqueen, how do you know they are in love? There hasn't been an "Official Statement by the Royal Court of Sweden" issued by the head of the information office saying that "HRH Prince Carl Philip is in love with Miss Sofia Hellqvist". So how can you make those statements?

The stubbornly repeated (ad nauseam) argument that critics should wait to give their opinion until an official statement released is not only contrary to the purposes of a DISCUSSION forum, it is also, ironically rather short-sighted. Whether we admit it or not (and many people here claim they don't know these people in one breath and then the next gush over how fantastic/sweet/handsome/whatever they are), we all have our favorites and - like citizens of a country with a monarchy - to a certain extent, we claim them as our own - family, parent, sibling, or friend. People do the same with characters on television programs and the actors who portray them. There is nothing wrong or unhealthy with that. As such, if we had a family member or friend who was standing in the path of a speeding bus, we wouldn't (if we were responsible and cared about them) wait for some official proclamation that a bus was about to obliterate their ass...we would tell them to MOVE! If we had a family member or friend who was using drugs or alcohol irresponsibly, we would likewise tell them they were doing harm to themselves and ultimately to their family. And if we had a friend or family member in a relationship that was unhealthy, we would tell them.

Otherwise we just continue along in the downward spiral that has society degenerating into a lazy group that has zero standards of dignity. Having morals (doesn't mean you are a prude), standards (doesn't mean you are stuck-up), a direction in life (doesn't mean you are a stick in the mud), and some level of self-respect DOES make a person's life admirable and valuable. But having those things is much more difficult in practice.

Sofia chose an easy path to easy money and easy fame (basically she chose to be "easy") when she made her choices. CP has chosen easy by being with a person who did not make responsible choices. Now she is trying to change that (still with questionable motives) and that's great. But because they both want an "easy" life, they don't recognize the potential damage to themselves and others their choices are making now (or we wouldn't have this thread in the first place) and are likely to in the future.
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:27 AM
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Wow! I can only shake my head at this.

1. We never said we can't discuss about Sofia as a person. We just said it's useless to discuss Sofia as a potential wife of Carl Philip and thus potantial Princess of Sweden. Because as long as there isn't an engagement there is no need to cross bridges that aren't built yet.

2. We never ignored the fact that they're a couple. We are just able to see the difference between being publicly involved with each other and being officially noticed as a couple from the court. Because correct me if I'm wrong, but there was never a statement from the court about "HRH Prince Carl Philip and his girlfriend" but only about "HRH Prince Carl Philip and Miss Sofia Hellqvist". So, public yes, official no. What's so hard to understand about that?

3. I'm definitely not a "supporter" of Sofia. I'm a supporter of her and will be as long as Carl Philip seems happy with her. And when I look at recent pictures he definitely is happy with her. So Sofia can be in the picture as long as she wants and keep doing what she did with her life just like she did since she became public with Carl Philip. In my eyes she does a fine job so far.

4. It's not stubborn what Karisma, Lumutqueen and I are. It's having and supporting a certain point of view. It just seems stubborn to you because we don't support the TRF mainstream point of view but dare having our own head and won't back down even if we get warnings from the mods for that or getting our posts deleted.
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:02 AM
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There is no big fire that hasn't started with a little spark. Has the infatuation turned to love? I guess it has. So, now it might be too late... he won't listen to reason anymore. The make over has started and maybe it might be an internal one as well.
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:29 AM
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:02 AM
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Old 09-11-2011, 11:44 AM
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People aren't bashing her. It's just that a lot of posters feel like she's not suitable to be a part of the monarchy. The only 'bad writings' I could think about is when a poster writes about Sofia's past. We can't help it if her past exhibits bad behavior. That's Sofia's problem, not ours.
i totally agree!!! thank you^^

i dont hate Sofia, she is actually pretty and has a nice name. but her behavior and past sins are not forgetable ones, i know people deserve second chances, but in her case where she will be eventually a princess, the media will hunt her for the rest of her life! i dont mind forgeting the things she did, althought i still thing is not suitable of her to become a princess, but there will be always people who will not forget. i doubt she will have a very peaceful life as part of the monarchy!
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Old 09-11-2011, 02:05 PM
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Here is persons writing as if We live in year 1901! Princes and princesses are'nt perfect! I've seen royals in pornclubs, in nude, drunk, using drugs etc. If they still Can be royals I'm sure Sofia can. Mette-Marit was a druguser and with suport from Hakon and other people She have done fine. Ok- She have problems with flying, but Norway have accepted that. Sofia will Do a fine job-I'm sure. I Can't see they are engaged yet and Can of course not know-all. (Some here seems to hate her so much so they are filled up). Hope she and Carl-Filip soon will be oficially engaged to be married. Sweden need a modern, beautiful and intelligent princess for Carl-Filip. I'm sorry if old-fashioned People don't understand that.
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Old 09-11-2011, 02:12 PM
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Sweden need a modern, beautiful and intelligent princess for Carl-Filip. I'm sorry if old-fashioned People don't understand that.
Carl Philip could easily find a modern, beautiful and intelligent woman to be her princess. A woman, who hasn´t shown everything to the whole world in very questionable photos. A dignified, discreet and respectable woman. As for Sofia, I don´t think she has qualifies for that.

Sofia´s heart-necklace at the interview of SvenskDam is from VJ since 1890, from the Cecilia-collection.
http://blogg.vjsince1890.com/?p=679

The silver version costs 1699 SEK = 191 euros
http://shop.vjsince1890.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=95
Sofia´s necklace is golden and must be ordered separately, it is not on sale at the VJ since 1890 shop...
And at the 10th August there was only one woman in Sweden having the golden version - Sofia
She has also the silver version.
Tells the VJ since 1890 blog
http://blogg.vjsince1890.com/?p=463

Sofia also has the ring and bracelet from Cecilia-collection.
http://blogg.vjsince1890.com/?p=503#comment-23
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Old 09-11-2011, 02:42 PM
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Carl Philip could easily find a modern, beautiful and intelligent woman to be her princess. A woman, who hasn´t shown everything to the whole world in very questionable photos. A dignified, discreet and respectable woman. As for Sofia, I don´t think she has qualifies for that.

Sofia´s heart-necklace at the interview of SvenskDam is from VJ since 1890, from the Cecilia-collection.
http://blogg.vjsince1890.com/?p=679

The silver version costs 1699 SEK = 191 euros
http://shop.vjsince1890.com/index.ph...&product_id=95
Sofia´s necklace is golden and must be ordered separately, it is not on sale at the VJ since 1890 shop...
And at the 10th August there was only one woman in Sweden having the golden version - Sofia
She has also the silver version.
Tells the VJ since 1890 blog
http://blogg.vjsince1890.com/?p=463

Sofia also has the ring and bracelet from Cecilia-collection.
http://blogg.vjsince1890.com/?p=503#comment-23
I've accepted that We look at Sofia with different eyes. But I think the Swedish People like her. That's important.
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, they have said (in error, IMO) that they are just "hanging out" and not even "officially" in a relationship.
I'm loathed to use a comparison - but William and Catherine were never confirmed to be in a relationship, they are now married

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Yet in the same breath will imply or state right out (like Karisma and Lumutqueen both do above and KitKat2006 in the previous post) that CP is in love with Sofia, using that as a justification as to why CP isn't/couldn't be involved with a woman without the baggage that comes along with Sofia....stubbornly and repeatedly avoiding two simple facts - CP has made an irresponsible choice, regardless of his love feelings or the acceptance (which does not equal approval) of his family; and Sofia has made irresponsible choices in her life and regardless of her current or future actions, those irresponsible choices will follow her forever.
Well as far as I know CP isn't a man to be in love with two woman at the same time? Or he is that kind of man? I said

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Why? Because CP is not in love with this fictional woman you have created, he is in love with Sofia.
I never said anything about the fact that he could not be involved with a woman without baggage - unless you completely misinterpreted my post which is not my fault. I am not 'avoiding' anything, and it makes me laugh that you think I do. Those are your opinions, that they have made irresponsible choices, not mine, nor ones I will EVER share.



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BTW...the "supporters" of Sofia frequently ask how her critics even know that there will be a marriage. For Karisma, and specifically Lumutqueen, how do you know they are in love? There hasn't been an "Official Statement by the Royal Court of Sweden" issued by the head of the information office saying that "HRH Prince Carl Philip is in love with Miss Sofia Hellqvist". So how can you make those statements?
BTW, so if i'm now classed as a supporter, should I class you as a hater? I didn't know we did that around here. Nice of you to start though.

Why should there be an official statement from the court, this is a private relationship and if they weren't in a relationship, there probably would have been an announcement to say so, so as to allow this fuss to disappear. They've been in what appears to be a relationship for a while, so I'll hazard probably a correct guess that they're in love. Was there ever a statement about Emma, Jonas or Daniel? Were they ever 'officially' in love? What nonsense.

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The stubbornly repeated (ad nauseam) argument that critics should wait to give their opinion until an official statement released is not only contrary to the purposes of a DISCUSSION forum, it is also, ironically rather short-sighted.
Ummm could you please point out this so called nauseating posts? I advise not to read them if they're making you ill.


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And if we had a friend or family member in a relationship that was unhealthy, we would tell them.
And I am sure that as family, Silvia, CG, Victoria, Daniel and Madeleine as well as close friends and extended family would have done this had they felt it necessary. Maybe we should ask for an official statement?


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Sofia chose an easy path to easy money and easy fame (basically she chose to be "easy") when she made her choices. CP has chosen easy by being with a person who did not make responsible choices. Now she is trying to change that (still with questionable motives) and that's great. But because they both want an "easy" life, they don't recognize the potential damage to themselves and others their choices are making now (or we wouldn't have this thread in the first place) and are likely to in the future.
Hang on - this thread is about press reports to do with CP and Sofia? No where in the title does it include any potential damage they are doing, any easy lifestyle they are leading?

Your opinion of course, and when the time comes and CP possibly asks Sofia to marry him, and Sweden cries out in disappointment, then there is a choice for Carl-Philip to make. His choice and his alone. Anyone outside of Sweden, doesn't really matter when it comes to this relationship, we just comment on it.


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Here is persons writing as if We live in year 1901! Princes and princesses are'nt perfect! I've seen royals in pornclubs, in nude, drunk, using drugs etc. If they still Can be royals I'm sure Sofia can. Mette-Marit was a druguser and with suport from Hakon and other people She have done fine. Ok- She have problems with flying, but Norway have accepted that. Sofia will Do a fine job-I'm sure. I Can't see they are engaged yet and Can of course not know-all. (Some here seems to hate her so much so they are filled up). Hope she and Carl-Filip soon will be oficially engaged to be married. Sweden need a modern, beautiful and intelligent princess for Carl-Filip. I'm sorry if old-fashioned People don't understand that.
As Rascal has just labelled me, I might start to use it. I am a Sofia 'supporter', and even I can see that posing naked with a snake and kissing a lesbian porn star is a bit wrong. And I am anything but old fashioned. I believe you're using that term in the complete wrong context. But come one, there's 'not perfect' then there's Sofia - even i'm going to admit that. I'd love it if CP were to marry Sofia, but I think in the long run it'd be bad for the monarchy as an entirety.

Comparing Sofia to Mette - Marit and her phobia of flying, is a long shot. Really? The drug thing was pretty much just rumours, more substantial is the fact that she was a single mother to Marius. You are right Norway has accepted MM, after 10 years.

Sweden needs a lot of things, but a 'young' (btw, she's 4 years off 30) 'beautiful', (she's pretty i'll give you that) and 'intelligent' (I don't know if she is) future princess, probably isn't one of them right now. Sofia if she were to become a Princess, needs more than her looks to get her through. Because boy will they fade. Oh and a quick pointer, Carl - Philip is spelt with a P not an F.
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Lola Montew (1821-1861) was a famous mistress of the Bavarian king Ludwig I. Here you can read more about her: Lola Montez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hey I haven't been here in awhile, but I'm also part of the group that supports CP and Sofia's relationship. My stance is, he and his family seem to like her and if they do then clearly there is more there than meets the eye. PLUS there is no indication that they are going to get married.
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