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Old 08-31-2011, 04:21 PM
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people never forget! how could forget a future princess who posed nude with a snake? among other things...

also, people needs to get used to it? what the hell? its a person decision and opinion to decide if they accept or not, we are not obligated to enjoy this marriage or are we? we are in the 21st century, so if she has the right to marry a prince, we have the right to like it or dislike it!
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When I read some ridiculous and very immature comments here I could belive that weddings have already been settled by Sofia and Prince Carl-Philip and his feelings are not something to be reckoned with. As some members here seem to know how to be a princess, there is probably no reason for them to keep on kissing frogs?

Being passive-aggressive doesn't make one smarter, more relevant, or more mature. And some people think it is actually more rude than being direct and honest. Honestly, Karisma, you can directly disagree with me. I won't crumble because of it. Since you have the skills to be in the discussion here, I trust you understand what the word parody means, but I suppose I am a little thick-headed on your metaphor...who here is trying to be a princess? and how does "kissing frogs" relate to a discussion about the choices people make in their lives?
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I'm sure Karisma doesn't mean you alone, Rascal. And I can't blame him. Sometimes I feel more like being back in school gossiping about the rich, famous goodlooking but hated school couple #1 than discussing a prince and his girlfriend. There's a big difference between discussing and judging and oftentimes the discussions here turn into judgings. And that's really not okay IMO.
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I don't know if it's judging or not, but Carl Philip doesn't really seem to be interested to do any hard work as a royal, whether it's because he's shy, don't have people skills or are bored by the things that have been seen as traditional royal duties (for example the work prince Bertil did excellently), and just do the fun things (royal weddings, aniversaries, the Nobel prize etc), but I don't see a reason why the people of Sweden should pay for his pleasures. I wouldn't care about whatever he did with his money or whom he dated/married if he was a private citizen, but now he is a HRH and is expected to represent Sweden and Swedish interests, and I can't say that I've seen anything of that from Carl Philip. Well, his choice of girlfriend have made it into the papers, but I don't see that as good PR for Sweden or for the SRF.

If it wasn't for Victoria and Silvia (Daniel is still very much an unknown factor for me), I could very well vote for Sweden to become a republic if there was a referendum today.
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no matter what any one said sofia is in the royal families by next year after vicky baby they will have a wedding some people in sweden will be happy to see the wedding and the media will start kiss her ass like they do with kate in england. so no need to fight it. it is a done deal on my eye carl have make choice base on his want not the country need so every one need to get use to it. i can already see her wearing one of the royal wedding tiara. every one have to know now being a princess is so easy even kardashians yongest girls might end up becoming a princess so day . all you need is look good in every public event and waves/smile, have lots of babies, dress so pretty that is all. so i am not worry about sofia because after the engement all her past will not be speak about and everyone will only be talking about the wedding dress,tiara,shoes, and guess about babies names etc, so sofia is o.k people will forget after her after the news just wait and see!!!!
Didn't Carl Philip date his last girlfriend for a decade and then they broke up? What makes you think that he will hurry and marry Sofia in a few months. He might be like Albert of Monaco and not get married until his 50s.
As for Carl Philip's supposed laziness, it seems to come from a bunch of people who are not Swedish. If the Swedish public doesn't have a problem with him then honestly those who have no stake in the Royal Family should really get off their high horse. According to some in this thread, not only is Sofia not worthy to be a Princess but CP is unworthy to be a Prince! Either way, the choice is not yours, Carl Philip is who he is and some countries made the decision to keep an instituion that rewards people simply for being born; Carl Philip is what you get sometimes when you base a job on birth rather than merit.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:43 PM
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It´s weird how Sofia uses the press. One could think someone let her, because he/she knows that if Sofia does something really stupid, then she is out. But just imo.
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Rascal that parody was hilarious! :)
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Didn't Carl Philip date his last girlfriend for a decade and then they broke up? What makes you think that he will hurry and marry Sofia in a few months. He might be like Albert of Monaco and not get married until his 50s.
As for Carl Philip's supposed laziness, it seems to come from a bunch of people who are not Swedish. If the Swedish public doesn't have a problem with him then honestly those who have no stake in the Royal Family should really get off their high horse. According to some in this thread, not only is Sofia not worthy to be a Princess but CP is unworthy to be a Prince! Either way, the choice is not yours, Carl Philip is who he is and some countries made the decision to keep an instituion that rewards people simply for being born; Carl Philip is what you get sometimes when you base a job on birth rather than merit.
he date emma in his 20s now he is in is 30s of course he will want to settle since there is nothing for him to do like army work, when i look at the way carl look at sofia i am sure he will not wait for 10years to pop the question, he might suprice everyone and get married by next year, no need to fight it but expect it like i said all every one will care about his the wedding dress and babies names etc. i ask my co-worker that their family are in sweden all they tell me is the royal family are like a high proflie celebrity and people respect and love them as for carl they told me he does what ever he wish and he is a great race drive and that all he does. so i am not bash him or his choice of bride all i am saying is weather you like it or not every royal prince are going after what they want instead of what their people expect them to do so we all have to get use to it!!!!!jmo
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:18 AM
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Being passive-aggressive doesn't make one smarter, more relevant, or more mature. And some people think it is actually more rude than being direct and honest. Honestly, Karisma, you can directly disagree with me. I won't crumble because of it. Since you have the skills to be in the discussion here, I trust you understand what the word parody means, but I suppose I am a little thick-headed on your metaphor...who here is trying to be a princess? and how does "kissing frogs" relate to a discussion about the choices people make in their lives?
I do understand what the word "parody" means. But I also understand harassment and denunciations made ​​by those who consider themselves superior to others. No one should take for themselves personally, if you personally feel no guilt.

I have seen so many dickussioner that the companion of princes and princesses are not appropriate that I also know how the winds can turn. In most situations you probably have to wait with some comments until the relationship is published ...
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:55 AM
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I do understand what the word "parody" means. But I also understand harassment and denunciations made ​​by those who consider themselves superior to others. No one should take for themselves personally, if you personally feel no guilt.

I have seen so many dickussioner that the companion of princes and princesses are not appropriate that I also know how the winds can turn. In most situations you probably have to wait with some comments until the relationship is published ...
What do you mean by "until the relationship is published"?

I would assume by commenting on the relationship the court makes it very public...

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Carl Philip has denied the information given about why he and Sofia didn´t attend the wedding. The informationschef of the court Bertil Ternert told to SvenskDam:
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- Prince Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist were invited to the wedding. They told the couple a few weeks before that, unfortunately, they can´t attend. It had nothing to do with that Sofia did not want to meet Emma Pernald, prince´s former girlfriend. The reason was different.
And there is no rift between Sofia and Emma, according to Ternert.
- They have a good relationship.

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Old 09-01-2011, 11:06 AM
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In most situations you probably have to wait with some comments until the relationship is published ...
Um, well, the SRF court is commenting on this "private" relationship = gives it an official character, why do you think posters should be quiet on this subject?
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One must understand the difference between the prince hanging out with someone and that the prince has a oficiellt relationship with someone. No one needs to be quiet, but you can comment without harassing or chasing a person you do not know personally but only by malignant rumors. All people should be entitled to at least a second chance.

Officially there is no relationship between Sophia and the prince until the court has announced that it is a oficiellt relationship. (And before that it has obtained the consent of the king and the government). That the press manager admits that the prince and Sofia socializing is NOT the same as a public announcement. And what is for "Swedish Women's Weekly" (by the wicked tongues called "vulture-Journal") as are their speculations not worth more than other gossip we can read.
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Old 09-01-2011, 04:59 PM
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because of that thing called sofia, ive been thinking thank god he is not the Crown Prince, because if he were to announce the engagement, sofia would be sweden's queen consort.

well, im just getting my feelings speak louder!^^
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1. As a minor, pose for topless erotic photos....CHECK
2. Attend parties, but not college....CHECK
3. Pose for more topless photos, only with a snake....CHECK
4. Move to New York, live with an older guy, pose for completely naked photos....CHECK
5. Define your greatest ambition in life is "to be famous".
6. Get cast in a reality program about people with loose morals/low standards....CHECK
7. Make out with the most famous female porn star....CHECK

Yeah, every time we've encountered anyone who has done these things, we immediately think "wow, wouldn't she make a great royal princess? It's so unfair. All those other hack wannabes (Maxima, Mathilde, Letizia, Daniel, Kate) are so unqualified. They didn't do any of these things but still got the brass ring. They should remove their spouses from the line of succession."

8. Date your country's royal prince....CHECK

Finally! Luckily, the world endured all the educated, successful, stylish, well-mannered royal spouses...even though they sit with their legs together. So what's your next move?

9. Tweet about it....CHECK

Because...hey, it's a different time than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Sharing intimate details of your life - as well a notoriously private person with whom you are involved - is not only acceptable, it shows that you really know how to connect with people....totally a princess...I mean, even Queen Rania does it!

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Considering the parody above, you would think I disagree with your quote. Actually I totally agree that this is the LEVEL of fame she sought, but not the TYPE. But I believe the TYPE of fame is irrelevent to Sofia. If she wanted to be famous as a princess, I think she wouldn't have done any of the things she chose to do in her past or even now, speaking with the media about other private individuals. But making different choices would have been too difficult and she was looking for quick fame so she chose what she thought would be a quick and easy road to it. Unfortunately, she realized too late that she was getting LOTS of exposure but very little fame...and based on results very little respect (perhaps because she was disrespecting herself). Now that she has found a more respectable way and it is actually giving her fame, she still is making ill-advised choices by interacting with the media.

So, it's all relative. She was a z-list celebrity only in Sweden before. Now she is a Y (why?) - list celebrity in Sweden and on royal message boards.

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When I read some ridiculous and very immature comments here I could belive that weddings have already been settled by Sofia and Prince Carl-Philip and his feelings are not something to be reckoned with. As some members here seem to know how to be a princess, there is probably no reason for them to keep on kissing frogs?


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I do understand what the word "parody" means. But I also understand harassment and denunciations made ​​by those who consider themselves superior to others. ...


Yes, you made that very clear with your statements in your first post.

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In most situations you probably have to wait with some comments until the relationship is published ...


Perhaps you are confusing the word "published" with the word "official". This relationship was published the second Sofia tweeted it.

In addition there have been at least three "published" references to Sofia by the Swedish Royal Court.

First then head of the department of communication for the royal court, Nina Eldh, implied a link between them by censuring the publication of photos of Sofia posing naked.

Eldh later confirmed their relationship (yes, I know, not calling it a romance) to Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet when she said it was "...regrettable there are people who want to take advantage of the relationship she has with the prince."

And finally the statement released regarding the reasons why CP & Sofia did not attend his friend's wedding, where his ex-gf Emma Pernald was also a guest.

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One must understand the difference between the prince hanging out with someone and that the prince has a oficiellt relationship with someone. No one needs to be quiet, but you can comment without harassing or chasing a person you do not know personally but only by malignant rumors. All people should be entitled to at least a second chance.
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Officially there is no relationship between Sophia and the prince until the court has announced that it is a oficiellt relationship. (And before that it has obtained the consent of the king and the government). That the press manager admits that the prince and Sofia socializing is NOT the same as a public announcement. And what is for "Swedish Women's Weekly" (by the wicked tongues called "vulture-Journal") as are their speculations not worth more than other gossip we can read.
If the press manager makes that announcement to the public or through a medium used to dessiminate information to the public...it IS public. It may not be "official", but it is public.

Also, you keep repeatedly using "malignant rumors" or "speculations" or "gossip" when addressing other posters' criticisms of Sofia/her behavior. Every example I used in my parody "checklist" is proven as fact...NONE of it is rumor.

As far as harassment goes, the only harassment that has occurred in this discussion is when you or anyone else tells another poster what to do (wait until something "official" is published) or what to think (don't judge anyone else). Like it or not, all of us judge everyone and everything everyday - yourself included. Unlike you, just because I don't agree with you I didn't tell you to keep your opinion to yourself. I just called you out on the passive-aggressive b.s. you originally posted and encouraged you to be straightforward.
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As for Carl Philip's supposed laziness, it seems to come from a bunch of people who are not Swedish. If the Swedish public doesn't have a problem with him then honestly those who have no stake in the Royal Family should really get off their high horse.
I'm a Swede and I think he's lazy and that if he doen't want to do the job, he should resign (for example marry without getting a permission).
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If the press manager makes that announcement to the public or through a medium used to dessiminate information to the public...it IS public. It may not be "official", but it is public
What Karisma means (IMO) is that "Public" doesn't mean "Official" just like "Carl Philip" doesn't mean "The Prince of Sweden". It's a difference when Carl Philip has a public girlfriend than when the Swedish Prince has an official partner. The first is a privat thing and doesn't have any impacts regarding the succession line, the official duties of the prince / the royal family or the moarchy whereas the latter definitely has impacts on said points. So unless there wasn't an official announcement that the prince isn't single anymore he definitely is single when it comes to his official life. No matter how many court statements about "Carl Philip" or "Prince Carl Philip" there are. It's a difference when there is an official press announcement regarding "HRH Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland" which can be found in the press releases of the royal website. Then what is mentioned in the press release is official and not just merely public. And it has impacts on the company "Royal Family" and not just on the private family Bernadotte.

What Carl Philip does with his privat life (however public it may be because of his official life) is completely uninteresting for official, important points like mentioned above. Because he does it "after work" in his "spare time" (even if his "Work life" is admittedly very rare). Just like a popstar who is officially single but has a girlfriend when he is a private person and not a popstar on duty (remember: this happened and happens a lot when it comes to boygroup members).

Long story short: "Yes, Sofia is the public girlfriend of Carl Philip", but "No, Sofia isn't the official girlfriend / partner of HRH the Prince of Sweden". So all things considered there's absolutely nothing going on regarding the Prince of Sweden and therefor the succession line, the monarchy, the royal family, etc. But there definitely IS something going on regarding the privat person Carl Philip Bernadotte. And this something definitely is interesting. Just like the hidden girlfriends of the above mentioned popstars are.
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Is there some sort of perverse reason that princes can't hang around nice girls or other princesses? There are more than enough out there, I am sure that it should not be difficult to end up finding these nice girls to court and marry.
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Okay now we are splitting hairs. Really.

Official girlfriend. Public Girlfriend.

So what was Daniel before he became Victoria's husband. Cause now I am really confused.

He was her public boyfriend before he became official. And than he became the fiance and now husband?

Help me here.

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He never became an official boyfriend. He went from public boyfriend to official fiance and lateron husband. That's how I see it. Because as a boyfriend he never officially got acknowledged by the court. Just like Emma, Jonas, Sofia and Chris. At least I don't remember an official press release that stated him as the boyfriend of the crownprincess. But correct me if I remember wrong.
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Okay now we are splitting hairs. Really.

Official girlfriend. Public Girlfriend.

So what was Daniel before he became Victoria's husband. Cause now I am really confused.

He was her public boyfriend before he became official. And than he became the fiance and now husband?

Help me here.

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My purpose is not to lecture, but I think that one must distinguish apples from pears. Either you understand the difference between a royal person or royalty or you will not understand it. So it seems - it appears....

When I write "officially announced" I mean that all public etablisimang have followed the usual routes for how to make a public announcement. Would Prince Carl-Philip announce any involvement official so the Government had been informed and the announcement was made ​​by the royal household - not the press officer.

Let me try to explain briefly the following two examples.

1st. For eight years, the princess joined with Daniel Collert. It was also published by Medis-limits and not denied by the court's press office.
2nd. 24 February 2009 announced Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling Engagement. The event had been prepared so that the government was requested and the court made ​​a public announcement.

These two things are completely different meaning. A royalty can hang out and it is in the public eye. But if there is a relationship that is official known to have made, it is still something that is done in another way.
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