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Old 08-29-2011, 02:03 PM
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I think Sofia is just another attention seeker without substance trying to appear as a quality girl since a Prince & Royal House are now backing her up. She is trying to play The Emperor's New Clothes but at the end of the day she still is the same attention seeker, not posing naked with a snake but feeding the yellow press with some important details towards her salvation strategy. Not that I think more of her than the not-doing-much-apart-from-car-racing Prince, another (b)low for the SRF.
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Finnish Iltasanomat has quoted the swedish Aftonbladet.

Sofia commented her relationship to Madeleine to Aftonbladet on Friday.
- We get along well. I think Madeleine is a strong and great personality.
Hellqvist denies that that she has caused tensions between the relationship of Carl Philip and Madeleine.
- Between us there is really not any drama. And never has been, Sofia said.
In May, they moved to the first joint home. In the summer Sofia was filmed for the first time at holiday with the king and queen.
- But otherwise, we have worked throughout the summer, Hellqvist told about their common summer.
Välirikko Ruotsin hovissa - Sofia kommentoi Madeleinen käytöstä - Ilta-Sanomat
Really Sofia? We didn't need to know this.
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Maybe they hope that as long as there is talk about Sofia,ppl will forget about the king and whatever he has or hasn´t been doing in the past.
I doubt that.
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Old 08-29-2011, 02:14 PM
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AmericanDane, I think Sofia knows yakking to the Press will NOT hurt her and this is why she does it.

If going online and tweeting to her "fans" the "secret" that she was now dating/sleeping with a Royal Prince didn't turn off Carl-Philip and his family, something tells me nothing will.

Sofia knows she has nothing to worry about as far as lowering C-P's expectations or opinion of her....he is fine with her as she is.

But I'm not talking about her reputation, etc. among the Royal Family. I have no doubt that Carl Philip has a high opinion of her, he's with her and that proves it. I'm saying she is lowering herself in the eyes of the Swedish people, the ones who matter IMO.
If the scenario should come up where Carl Philip and Sofia announce their engagement and public opinion shows that the majority of the country disagrees with her holding the title of princess or representing the RF, then the King should perhaps ask Carl Philip to drop out of the line of succession. I'm not advocating the King telling his son he can't marry someone, as I believe that's archaic and unfair to someone who didn't choose to be in the position he is in. But the survival of the monarchy (which rests on the public's opinion of the family) should be the most important duty of the King, second only to serving his people the best he can.
Carl Philip and Sofia's relationship does involve others besides themselves. Victoria could lose the chance to become Queen because the Swedish people felt that her brother's marriage proved that the RF is no different, and "why should we pay to keep them in an exalted position?"

That's all I'm saying.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:12 PM
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I see what you mean...it would be very sad if CP Victoria had to step down after all her hard work,study and sacrifice for her country...she´s actually one of my favourite princesses,she is so kind,smart,humble and fashionable!How should anyone not want her as a queen?
Back to Sofia : I don´t know why she is spreading infos of her relationship status on fb,I don´t think that´s very smart no matter if you are royal or not, IMO one should not publish anything too private or intimate on social networking pages...
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What many people in this thread don't seem to get is that if the King and Queen like her and accept her then the nude pictures and comments that she has made either don't bother them or they have more information about her that makes them approve of her. The people actually involved in CP and Sofia's lives know more about what is going on between them and what kind of person Sofia is then anyone on this board. If things get serious between CP*Sofia then she will undergo the Princess Makeover which has done wonders for other ladies who weren't considered to be appropriate for a royal family, i.e. Mette-Marit and Camilla Parker Bowles.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:39 PM
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Good post XeniaCasaraghi! I think Sofia is already "in" and an engagement will be coming soon .....
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:37 PM
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The problem I see with Carl Philip is that he doesn't really seem to be interested in doing much of royal duties, nor to decide what he wants to do with his life, he likes to have fun, driving race-cars etc, and I have got a feeling that it has become more of the "fun life" since he's been seeing Sofia. Nor can I see Sofia as interested in royal duties, unless there is a crowd of papparazzi taking photos. I don't mind them getting married, but I don't want to see them as TRH Carl Philip and Sofia, as I don't think they would contribute much to a positive picture of the royal family.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:42 PM
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What many people in this thread don't seem to get is that if the King and Queen like her and accept her then the nude pictures and comments that she has made either don't bother them or they have more information about her that makes them approve of her. The people actually involved in CP and Sofia's lives know more about what is going on between them and what kind of person Sofia is then anyone on this board. If things get serious between CP*Sofia then she will undergo the Princess Makeover which has done wonders for other ladies who weren't considered to be appropriate for a royal family, i.e. Mette-Marit and Camilla Parker Bowles.
As previously suggested, its not just the King and Queen (or people on this board) who have the final say. Its the people of Sweden. And really, it makes no difference to mention other royal ladies....each is from a different country that has its own set of norms and procedures. The NRF, the SRF, and the BRF are not the same as such they deal with situations very differently. Not to bring up comparisons, but the BRF had their Sofia....her name was Koo Stark and she was a no go from the beginning. Fun to have fun with, the Queen apparently liked her but marrigae....No.

Of course its 20 years ago, but honestly I don't think she would be a viable bride in 2011 either.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:30 AM
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Just a couple of days ago some swedish press wrote: the king´s apanage or social care, which would you choose?
Everything the royal family makes, has effects to the opinions of them. Almost everyone thinks that Victoria and Daniel are doing a great job, but many are frustrated with the king´s scandals and Carl Philip´s laziness with royal duties, his relationship with Sofia and Madeleine´s absence from Sweden and her luxury holidays.
So even if the king and the queen like Sofia, I think that it will not help Carl Philip and Sofia with people´s opinions of them.
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As previously suggested, its not just the King and Queen (or people on this board) who have the final say. Its the people of Sweden. And really, it makes no difference to mention other royal ladies....each is from a different country that has its own set of norms and procedures. The NRF, the SRF, and the BRF are not the same as such they deal with situations very differently. Not to bring up comparisons, but the BRF had their Sofia....her name was Koo Stark and she was a no go from the beginning. Fun to have fun with, the Queen apparently liked her but marrigae....No.

Of course its 20 years ago, but honestly I don't think she would be a viable bride in 2011 either.
And as I have stated previously, if the King and Queen like her then they probably know more than people on this board seeing as how they are a part of her life as opposed to those on this board who just read about snippets of her life. Koo was not allowed to marry Andrew and it was never allowed to go that far. We don't know anything about Carl Philip's relationship with Sofia except that there is one. If she is given a "no" stamp for marriage by CP's parents or the courtiers then that will be that; either CP will break up with her or he will pull an Edward VIII. But if the courtiers and the King and Queen give her a "yes, collect $200"pass then clearly her past and rumored media whore behavior doesn't bother them, or she has agreed to modify it.
If Sofia is continuing to talk to the media, it gives me the impression that she knows this is a temporary thing and she is not aiming to be a wife.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:44 AM
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Let's be honest here. If the King and the Queen and also the people form Sweden could choose a bride for Carl Philip, it would never be Sofia Hellqvist. As Carl Philip doen't seem interested enough in royal duties, it is going to be easy for him to abdicate from his rights and marry whomever he wants. For royalty and politicians it is never enough to be interested, dedicated and honest, you have also to appear to be. I wonder if the prince had seem to be all those qualities if anybody would doubt his ability to choose a wife. Anyway, I really think he will marry Sofia and hope they will be very happy. But even beeing remote, the possibility of having Sofia as a Queen gives me chills. But who knows, Sofia might endear herself in the hearts of the Swedish people in a long term perspective. although not likely.
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To marry, correct me if I am wrong, but Carl Philip must obtain permisson from the government and the king or was this just the case with Victoria being first in line to the throne?
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And as I have stated previously, if the King and Queen like her then they probably know more than people on this board seeing as how they are a part of her life as opposed to those on this board who just read about snippets of her life. Koo was not allowed to marry Andrew and it was never allowed to go that far. We don't know anything about Carl Philip's relationship with Sofia except that there is one. If she is given a "no" stamp for marriage by CP's parents or the courtiers then that will be that; either CP will break up with her or he will pull an Edward VIII. But if the courtiers and the King and Queen give her a "yes, collect $200"pass then clearly her past and rumored media whore behavior doesn't bother them, or she has agreed to modify it.
If Sofia is continuing to talk to the media, it gives me the impression that she knows this is a temporary thing and she is not aiming to be a wife.
Even if they do give her a 'yes' it doesn't mean that the photos doesn't bother them. It would simply mean that as parents they will accept who their children choose to be with because that's not their decision to make.

Sofia is talking to the media because she wants attention and sympathy. I think she's very much aiming to be his wife. Isn't this type of fame what she has been aiming for all along?
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To marry, correct me if I am wrong, but Carl Philip must obtain permisson from the government and the king or was this just the case with Victoria being first in line to the throne?
I think he has to in order to keep his place in succession. One of the Dutch princes, Friso, didnt get it because he married a women who was with a guy from organized crime before and he dropped out of succession. CP could do the same but unlike Friso, he doesnt work for his living but gets money from Daddy's apanage to finace his car racing and girlfriend.
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Isn't this type of fame what she has been aiming for all along?
How to become a princess:

1. As a minor, pose for topless erotic photos....CHECK
2. Attend parties, but not college....CHECK
3. Pose for more topless photos, only with a snake....CHECK
4. Move to New York, live with an older guy, pose for completely naked photos....CHECK
5. Define your greatest ambition in life is "to be famous".
6. Get cast in a reality program about people with loose morals/low standards....CHECK
7. Make out with the most famous female porn star....CHECK

Yeah, every time we've encountered anyone who has done these things, we immediately think "wow, wouldn't she make a great royal princess? It's so unfair. All those other hack wannabes (Maxima, Mathilde, Letizia, Daniel, Kate) are so unqualified. They didn't do any of these things but still got the brass ring. They should remove their spouses from the line of succession."

8. Date your country's royal prince....CHECK

Finally! Luckily, the world endured all the educated, successful, stylish, well-mannered royal spouses...even though they sit with their legs together. So what's your next move?

9. Tweet about it....CHECK

Because...hey, it's a different time than it was 20 or 30 years ago. Sharing intimate details of your life - as well a notoriously private person with whom you are involved - is not only acceptable, it shows that you really know how to connect with people....totally a princess...I mean, even Queen Rania does it!

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Considering the parody above, you would think I disagree with your quote. Actually I totally agree that this is the LEVEL of fame she sought, but not the TYPE. But I believe the TYPE of fame is irrelevent to Sofia. If she wanted to be famous as a princess, I think she wouldn't have done any of the things she chose to do in her past or even now, speaking with the media about other private individuals. But making different choices would have been too difficult and she was looking for quick fame so she chose what she thought would be a quick and easy road to it. Unfortunately, she realized too late that she was getting LOTS of exposure but very little fame...and based on results very little respect (perhaps because she was disrespecting herself). Now that she has found a more respectable way and it is actually giving her fame, she still is making ill-advised choices by interacting with the media.

So, it's all relative. She was a z-list celebrity only in Sweden before. Now she is a Y (why?) - list celebrity in Sweden and on royal message boards.
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Old 08-31-2011, 03:16 PM
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Rascal, I really laughed about your parody on how to become a perfect princess:-)
Nowadays so many untalented young ppl want to be famous,get rich and don´t want to work for it -this is why we have so many reality shows and talent shows on tv,it really drives me mad!But obviously this is what the general audience wants to see! IMO Maxima, Mathilde, Letizia, Daniel, Kate and Rania (who also started as a princess-she became Queen after K Hussein died) are good examples for modern royalty- they know how to behave,don´t talk to much to the press (or only do so when they really have something to say),fulfill their royal duties and look pleasant and proper.All of these non-royals who married into a dinasty have undergone a lot of training and especially visually you can see the transformation-they all dress up better,take more care of their appearance and know how to handle the press. If Sofia ever becomes a princess,she will have to learn a lot,maybe she can earn the approval of the public with the time (which I doubt)-but never say never!
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When I read some ridiculous and very immature comments here I could belive that weddings have already been settled by Sofia and Prince Carl-Philip and his feelings are not something to be reckoned with. As some members here seem to know how to be a princess, there is probably no reason for them to keep on kissing frogs?
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RASCAL your parody is AMAZING!!!! i laughed so much^^

about Sofia, ive been reading lots of her stories and stuff with CP too, and i never posted here.
my opinion is that she is unsuitable to become a princess, how can she be one after the crap she did? even Letizia and Mette-Marit got at first bad publicity of one having been divorced and the other having a child already, but they never had bad/slutty personality, nor cared about fame. the diference is in there, the other Crown princesses had love for their partners and decided to follow them on their duty, while Sofia only cares for fame and money, i doubt she really loves honestly Carl-Phillip, i highly doubt it!

but just image if she changes (that happens, althought rarely), of course people needs second chances, but her bad behavior of the past and all the sins she commuted she have to deal with it for the rest of her life. i mean, until she dies she will have bad publicity around her (of course, if she becomes a princess). its a fact she cant deny.

so she needs to get over it soon, or she will have a pain in the ass life, even if surrounded by jewels, gala dresses and royal title.
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how to be a princess is so easy anyone can!!!

no matter what any one said sofia is in the royal families by next year after vicky baby they will have a wedding some people in sweden will be happy to see the wedding and the media will start kiss her ass like they do with kate in england. so no need to fight it. it is a done deal on my eye carl have make choice base on his want not the country need so every one need to get use to it. i can already see her wearing one of the royal wedding tiara. every one have to know now being a princess is so easy even kardashians yongest girls might end up becoming a princess so day . all you need is look good in every public event and waves/smile, have lots of babies, dress so pretty that is all. so i am not worry about sofia because after the engement all her past will not be speak about and everyone will only be talking about the wedding dress,tiara,shoes, and guess about babies names etc, so sofia is o.k people will forget after her after the news just wait and see!!!!
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