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Old 08-25-2011, 07:05 PM
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I don't get it either SpeedDial.

Again, since we don't know Sofia...here's hoping that while she might not have good intentions for pursing the relationship....she truly cares for him for the man, not the Prince. And he does the same for her.
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:21 PM
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I don't get it either SpeedDial.

Again, since we don't know Sofia...here's hoping that while she might not have good intentions for pursing the relationship....she truly cares for him for the man, not the Prince. And he does the same for her.
Glad to see someone else feels the same way.

I wish him luck.
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Old 08-26-2011, 06:38 AM
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Exactly,this is what I was trying to say-just because she is confident and sexy doesn´t mean she has a bad character!
It may not be typical "princess" type,but she is doing just what other men do every day without getting critisized for it-if a man is showing off and talking about sex all the time it´s socially accepted
I´m sure she has other qualities too apart from her looks,she may be a funny,nice person to be with...and as long as neither he nor her has an official duty or political role,they can do what they want to do within the limits of law
At least she is creating new jobs for paparazzis and gossip writers,I can already see the headlines in the tabloids "Swedish prince marries porn-queen" *lol*
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:52 PM
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Exactly my words, Zonk, Speeddail and blauerengel. That's what I've been talking about again and again and again for month now. It's nice to know I'm not alone with my arguments.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:58 AM
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Sofia is unfortunately going to get hate from people no matter what. Kate Middleton gets hate and she has to be one of the most boring royals around now. Probably some of these people hating on Sofia didn't like Daniel either. Unfortunately there are too many people in the world who want their image of the Perfect Princess or Prince Charming to be personified by real life royals. And these same people seem to think they know better than the actual people living these lives. The only opinions that matter are Carl Philip and his family, especially the King and Queen.
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:04 AM
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The only opinions that matter are Carl Philip and his family, especially the King and Queen.
Herein lies the problem...AFAIK the vast majority if not all of us on this board agree with this statement. I know I do. The problem stems from the fact that this is a discussion forum that many times allows the discouragement of discussion. The best parts of the forums are when people actually do engage in a discussion (regardless of the language, intent, etc. of the post) because IMO both/all posters can determine their viewpoint/opinion/perspective. Unfortunately, some of the most simple disagreements devolve into judging other posters, references to their intelligence or lack of knowledge, and the inevitable passive-aggressive dismissals ("Some people just see what they want to...") This thread is no different.

As far the earlier parts of XeniaCasiraghi's post, I have always liked Daniel even when many were bashing him but I didn't rush to his defense time and again (like some have done for Sofia in this thread) nor do I recall anyone else doing so. So why the double standard? Just because she is female?

Bottom line - none of us know her. Based on the quote above then none of us should post anything about anyone - including any posts gushing about how handsome/beautiful/capable/fashionable/in love/intelligent any of the people are on whom we direct our focus. As this is a discussion forum, I will continue to do so because nothing says we must personally know the people we discuss.
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:32 AM
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The only opinions that matter are Carl Philip and his family, especially the King and Queen.
Not really. Especially King and Queen will at least have the public opinion in the back of their mind when preparing an eventual engagement to Sofia and will try to portait her in an "airbrushed" way.

For an institution depending on the public to survive, it would be foolish to ignore an opinion, therefore they will not ignore it but try to prepare themselves for a possible backslash.
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:08 AM
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What exactly is the publics opinion I know the opinions on this board .
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:49 AM
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Unless some kind of poll/research is done in Sweden to try to determine public opinion, then it will be hard to have an idea of what the Swedish publics, general thoughts toward Sofia are.
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:12 AM
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I am amazed by the comments that Sofia's presence and acceptance is only needed by the King and Queen of Sweden. That is true in some respects.

However, in 2011 when the question and value of a monarchy in a democratic society is questioned, I believe the Swedish people have more of a say than some are giving them credit for. They can certainly decide that a former nude model who has appeared on a reality show is not someone that they want to call Princess. They can in fact, decide you know......if anyone can become a Princess (i.e. Sofia) what's the point of having a royal family, if they are after all, just like you and me.

People around the world get rid of forms of governments all of the time. Whether its by peaceful means (i.e. a referendum) or violent (an overthrow of the government).

So no IMO, the King and Queen doesn't have the final say. That rests with the people of Sweden. And of course, many of them might not even care but I guess we shall see if and how this progresses.
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:19 AM
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She could have done much worse things than just take her clothes off.
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:30 AM
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She could have done much worse things than just take her clothes off.
Agreed but again its not just taking off her clothes. Like SpeedDial, I am a bit perplexed as people can't get pass the naked pictures. Being naked is a natural thing in life, we are all BORN naked. That's not it. Nude pictures if done tasteful are artistic so thats not the issue.

Let me break it down: in the media and money obsessed culture that we live in now. You have people who want to be famous. But this isn't I want to be a famous author, singer, designer, actress. I want to pay my dues kind of famous by writing awful articles, singing background, or waiting tables as I audition for movies. This is I want to be famous so I will be on a reality show (like the Kardashians, Jersey Shores, The Hills, Big Brother, etc.). And that way I can be famous without any particular talent and make loads of money. And don't get me wrong ---- there are people who are famous singers and actress who have no particular talent but that is the topic of another forum! I am sure we all have them in other individual countries (I just follow the US and UK). So hopefully you know where I am going with this.

The concern is not that Sofia has posed naked (with a snake no less) but that she is with the Prince because she wants to be famous. Do any of us know this to be true? No, as we don't know either the Prince or Sofia well. So why do we feel this way? Well, for my opinion, I believe that there is a pattern of seeking fame by Sofia, that makes me question her initial motives. And like I said in previous posts, such an alliance with a "girl like us' could make one question the value of the monarchy. Its one thing to question it with the likes of Silvia and Daniel, but this IMO is different.

And there you have it. So no, its not just the nude pictures. And again, this should be a lesson for the old and young alike.---- the actions of your past (whether they were of your doing and you just got caught in something) have a way of impacting your future and how you are perceived.
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:38 AM
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I agree with Zonk, have said it before the public opinion is important but rather than obeying to it I believe the Swedish court would try some spin and damage control, some trearful interviews about the past "I was young and needed the money" will do depending on how Sofia presents herself, taking a walk to Canossa can do magic.

I doubt the Swedish Kings will tell their son off, they are in no position to do that, especially the King would be a laughing stock for his own children trying to cite "moral" issues.

BUT Sofia might have to live with gossip, critizism and slander for the rest of her life, the pictures are on the internet to stay.
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Old 08-29-2011, 10:39 AM
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The way you have just explained it Zonk, I definitely do agree with you.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:45 PM
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Totally agree with Zonk.

It's not the pictures that I have a problem with. I can certainly overlook such pictures but it's the grasping for fame part that I have a problem with. The thing is I've seen too many cases like this that usually have nothing to do with feelings but about gaining something (usually money and fame). I do hope Sofia is with him because of who he is and not because of what he has. Personally it's hard for me to believe she's with him for love. That's just my opinion.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:22 PM
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Not really. Especially King and Queen will at least have the public opinion in the back of their mind when preparing an eventual engagement to Sofia and will try to portait her in an "airbrushed" way.

For an institution depending on the public to survive, it would be foolish to ignore an opinion, therefore they will not ignore it but try to prepare themselves for a possible backslash.
Excellent. For Mr and Mrs Jones of Anytown USA-or-elsehwere-in-the-world...the only opinions that matter in the choice of a husband or wife are the persons involved.

For any Royal or Head of State, it is quite different indeed. There are other considerations that are just as important as love and romance that need to be weighed by people in these positions.

It's the downside of having lives will be forever free of worry about such mundane things as having enough money for food, a roof over one's head, or putting one's children through college.

It's the way it is....it's a tradeoff.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:26 PM
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Finnish Iltasanomat has quoted the swedish Aftonbladet.

Sofia commented her relationship to Madeleine to Aftonbladet on Friday.
- We get along well. I think Madeleine is a strong and great personality.
Hellqvist denies that that she has caused tensions between the relationship of Carl Philip and Madeleine.
- Between us there is really not any drama. And never has been, Sofia said.
In May, they moved to the first joint home. In the summer Sofia was filmed for the first time at holiday with the king and queen.
- But otherwise, we have worked throughout the summer, Hellqvist told about their common summer.
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Finnish Iltasanomat has quoted the swedish Aftonbladet.

Sofia commented her relationship to Madeleine to Aftonbladet on Friday.
- We get along well. I think Madeleine is a strong and great personality.
Hellqvist denies that that she has caused tensions between the relationship of Carl Philip and Madeleine.
- Between us there is really not any drama. And never has been, Sofia said.
In May, they moved to the first joint home. In the summer Sofia was filmed for the first time at holiday with the king and queen.
- But otherwise, we have worked throughout the summer, Hellqvist told about their common summer.
Välirikko Ruotsin hovissa - Sofia kommentoi Madeleinen käytöstä - Ilta-Sanomat

Why doesn't she realise talking to the press will actually hurt her cause in being accepted as Carl Philip's girlfriend?
Can't she take any clues from CP Mary or the Duchess of Cambridge who endeared themselves by never talking until their engagement. It's no one's business but her's, Carl Philip, and Madeleine's on what their relationship is like.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:49 PM
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AmericanDane, I think Sofia knows yakking to the Press will NOT hurt her and this is why she does it.

If going online and tweeting to her "fans" the "secret" that she was now dating/sleeping with a Royal Prince didn't turn off Carl-Philip and his family, something tells me nothing will.

Sofia knows she has nothing to worry about as far as lowering C-P's expectations or opinion of her....he is fine with her as she is.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:56 PM
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Maybe they hope that as long as there is talk about Sofia,ppl will forget about the king and whatever he has or hasn´t been doing in the past.
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