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Old 07-09-2011, 10:53 AM
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Again, the facts:
Sofia Hellqvist began modeling as a teenager, the first nude photo sessions of her were held when she was 16.
She never ‘started a yoga center in Manhattan’. While living there with her older boyfriend and his son, she started to train as a yoga teacher, gave some lessons in a yoga center, and didn’t finish her training. The full nude pics of her in front of the mirrors were taken three years ago during the time in New York.
Her involvement with the one charity she co-founded began after she met Prince Carl Philip.
‘Project Playground’ has the goal to find useful things for South African children to do in their leisure time… like dancing and playing. Last month, it has also started an initiative to fund money for hot school meals.
Sofia Hellqvist’s last charity work on record was the launch of a charity lip gloss at a party in Stockholm in November 2010, and a visit to the charity in early 2011.
By going on its website, everybody can form their own opinion of the charity, of its efficiency and professionalism – or the lack thereof:
— Project Playground

As for the yoga aspect, she never trained properly as a yoga teacher, but two months ago the Prince’s girlfriend was suddenly able to co-launch a yoga clothing business, called DOM / ‘Drop of Mindfulness’.
The website of the business, using pseudo new age philosophy to promote the sale of work out clothes:
Drop OF Mindfulness
Excellent post again Boris!
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:33 AM
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I don't think anyone would care if this family didn't include a mom and dad who are king and queen of Sweden, and as such meant to be representatives for Sweden. The trappings that surround royal courts with their pageantry, pomp, history, and external displays thereof are the reasons they are still in power. The problem lies with members of royal houses living private lives while still expecting to be supported by their constituents. Even if CP doesn't get any money from the Swedish state, he is still receiving it from his father, or his properties which have been acquired b/c his father is the king. I don't know how much property (meaning land and other assets) belongs to the state and how much is private, but the fact remains they wouldn't have access to such property if CG wasn't the king. CP wants to have his cake and eat it too.
So what would you have him do then? Open up a poll and allow the voting constituents run his life, since they are the one who fun a good deal of it? They can choose his appearances, and whom he settles down with...

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

I'm not saying he should marry Sofia, as I said, I don't know much about her, but it seems to me that harping on something that is clearly going to happen regardless is a waste of energy. Short of arranging marriages for the members of the Royal Family, there is always going to be controversy (and imagine the fuss an arranged marriage would kick up!)

People change; they grow. Who are we to say that Sofia isn't growing and changing and becoming more interested in simply settling down? On the other side of the coin, she could very well be in this for the fame and notice...but we're not likely to ever figure that out, are we? Only she can know that.
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Old 07-09-2011, 08:51 PM
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I has written the facts we know.

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Thats the propagandaversion. People that have seen her doing yoga say she isnt the best one to teach it.
What you write: "People who have seen her teach yoga ..." is an secondary story which usually called "hearsay".
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:07 PM
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So what would you have him do then? Open up a poll and allow the voting constituents run his life, since they are the one who fun a good deal of it? They can choose his appearances, and whom he settles down with...

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

I'm not saying he should marry Sofia, as I said, I don't know much about her, but it seems to me that harping on something that is clearly going to happen regardless is a waste of energy. Short of arranging marriages for the members of the Royal Family, there is always going to be controversy (and imagine the fuss an arranged marriage would kick up!)

People change; they grow. Who are we to say that Sofia isn't growing and changing and becoming more interested in simply settling down? On the other side of the coin, she could very well be in this for the fame and notice...but we're not likely to ever figure that out, are we? Only she can know that.
Wouldn't CP be able to figure out that she was using him for the fame? Maybe he knows and doesn't care or maybe he is blind.

Does she have a job other than charity work?

As for her charity work..Is it successful? How about her clothing line?
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:07 PM
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So what would you have him do then? Open up a poll and allow the voting constituents run his life, since they are the one who fun a good deal of it? They can choose his appearances, and whom he settles down with...

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

I'm not saying he should marry Sofia, as I said, I don't know much about her, but it seems to me that harping on something that is clearly going to happen regardless is a waste of energy. Short of arranging marriages for the members of the Royal Family, there is always going to be controversy (and imagine the fuss an arranged marriage would kick up!)

People change; they grow. Who are we to say that Sofia isn't growing and changing and becoming more interested in simply settling down? On the other side of the coin, she could very well be in this for the fame and notice...but we're not likely to ever figure that out, are we? Only she can know that.
Of course the prince have to follow his heart when that day comes. I agree with what you wrote.
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:14 PM
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As the old saying goes, love is blind
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Old 07-09-2011, 09:32 PM
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As the old saying goes, love is blind
Yes it is!
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:07 AM
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Love shall be blind

Love is blind and it should be!. Otherwise many of us as well as many Royals never would have been able to find someone up to "the standards". One have to listen to feelings and to the heart.
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Old 07-10-2011, 06:10 AM
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The saying “Love is blind” certainly has an ambiguous meaning to begin with;
re-worded as “Love shall be blind” it becomes rather questionable;
and to “Marriage shall be blind” I would definitely not subscribe.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:08 AM
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A question of interpretation.

I may have difficulty expressing the way I feel when I use English language instead of my primary language. Therefore, I do clarifie once again that I mean that one should marry for love and not because a what people think. And on the subject we are discussing, I really believe that there are excesses. We paint with broad brushes here! The only thing that currently can be commented on is who Prince Carl-Philip hang out with. Everything beyond this is, as yet, only speculation.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:16 AM
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Everything beyond this is, as yet, only speculation.
Sofia´s previous life isn´t speculation. There is much of proof about it, and the proof will pop out again and again.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:33 AM
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Sofia´s previous life isn´t speculation. There is much of proof about it, and the proof will pop out again and again.
Sofia is nothing more than a young person to spend time with the young prince. Yet it is written as if the engagement was declared and the date of the wedding has already been determined. Here in the forum we have famous people married into scandalous life as soon as they become royal. Then, neither the previous infidelity shops, nudity or children in other circumstances played a part. The members of the TRF have since I became a member (2005) has not been consistent condemnation, and I think that's right. Reflect on how the tone of each of certain other royal families in the faith tracking devices marriage. In Sofia's case, we can not yet write about some of the planned marriage, so I think it is a debate in the high tone of something that none of us even know.
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Old 07-10-2011, 01:49 PM
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Wouldn't CP be able to figure out that she was using him for the fame? Maybe he knows and doesn't care or maybe he is blind.
How do you know that she's doing it? Because contrary to Carl Philip WE don't know her personally. So why do all of you think you know her better than HIM who knows her personally.
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Old 07-10-2011, 03:32 PM
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How do you know that she's doing it? Because contrary to Carl Philip WE don't know her personally. So why do all of you think you know her better than HIM who knows her personally.
One, in my opinion, very wise question! Many people write, and make it sound as if they are in the immediate ring of friends of Prince Carl-Filp. the members invokes scandal press reports as if they would be more knowing than the prince himself. But who will explore how the relationship with a girlfriend is better than the prince himself can?
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Old 07-10-2011, 03:56 PM
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CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.
If he feels his life should not be the one of a prince of Sweden, he can give up his rights to the throne of Sweden and have the life of a "normal" citizen, no one will blame him for this.
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:02 PM
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If he feels his life should not be the one of a prince of Sweden, he can give up his rights to the throne of Sweden and have the life of a "normal" citizen, no one will blame him for this.
And again I will point out, even if he renounces in order to live the life of a "normal" citizen, he is still the son of the reigning monarch. Any move he makes is still going to reflect on his family.
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:10 PM
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If he feels his life should not be the one of a prince of Sweden, he can give up his rights to the throne of Sweden and have the life of a "normal" citizen, no one will blame him for this.
Nobody among us knows anything about what sort of relation prince Carl- Filip will have in the future. Even if he marry a royal person he must have permission from the king and the gouverment. I, myself, think he shall go by his heart.
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:13 PM
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And again I will point out, even if he renounces in order to live the life of a "normal" citizen, he is still the son of the reigning monarch. Any move he makes is still going to reflect on his family.
Well, who knows? King Carl-Gustavs older sisters, Birgitta, Desiré and Margaretha, have suceeded living a rather "normal life".
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Old 07-10-2011, 04:21 PM
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Nobody among us knows anything about what sort of relation prince Carl- Filip will have in the future. Even if he marry a royal person he must have permission from the king and the gouverment. I, myself, think he shall go by his heart.
I was answering to the fact he has not chosen to be born the son of the reigning monarch. No one is bound to a royal life if he doesn't want to. That was all what I was saying and didn't imply anything for Carl-Philip's future life.
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But then, perhaps he decides to "have his cake and eat it".

What are the (real) objections against Sofia?
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