Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012

[AristoCat]

I do agree here. Give the girl a chance. She may just end up doing a good job and rise up to be a successful princess. It would be different is she was still posing nude after an official engagement. In any case, Prince Carl Philip's association with her would not be the first scandal to hit a royal house.

Forgive me for saying this, but would you want your son to bring home someone who has that sort of past? Who has behaved like this before? This isn't just about tawdry, but about the possibility that she might have some serious issues that need addressing in regards to her mental or emotional state. These days, with the little power that RF's have, they need to be all the more careful. How on earth is Sofia supposed to be taken seriously with that sort of past? Why should Carl marry someone who has to be worked on? Why not someone who doesn't have such a hideous past? If her past is her cross to bear, then let her bear it! She brought it on herself. Sweden isn't Thailand where there is only one way for women to make a living and only one way to survive, much less succeed. How on earth is Carl supposed to take Sofia to Middle Eastern countries or to diplomatic gatherings and not have the guests disgusted at having to receive her.

 

[KitKat2006]

Forgive me for saying this, but would you want your son to bring home someone who has that sort of past? Who has behaved like this before? This isn't just about tawdry, but about the possibility that she might have some serious issues that need addressing in regards to her mental or emotional state. These days, with the little power that RF's have, they need to be all the more careful. How on earth is Sofia supposed to be taken seriously with that sort of past? Why should Carl marry someone who has to be worked on? Why not someone who doesn't have such a hideous past? If her past is her cross to bear, then let her bear it! She brought it on herself. Sweden isn't Thailand where there is only one way for women to make a living and only one way to survive, much less succeed. How on earth is Carl supposed to take Sofia to Middle Eastern countries or to diplomatic gatherings and not have the guests disgusted at having to receive her.

Because he won't ever be able to marry anyone if he has to wait for someone who doesn't need to be worked on. That's why. That sort of perfect woman simply doesn't exist. Sofia is as good or bad as anyone else when it comes to this particular point. And she's the one he apparently loves. So she's the obvious choice for the "royal-makeover-crew". It's as simple as that.

 

[lilnana]

I'm not Sofia fan by any stretch of the imagination, but doing tasteless nudes does not equal having emotional or mental issues. In her case it was motivated by wanting to be rich and famous, which is what she has achieved.

Also while it true that perfect doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean that there is't better. Just because there is no 10 doesn't mean a soft core porn star gets elevated to someone who -insert the thousands of respectful career paths out there-. I've still have see no evidence that she has any current independent source of income at the moment.

 

[AristoCat]

Also while it true that perfect doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean that there is't better. Just because there is no 10 doesn't mean a soft core porn star gets elevated to someone who -insert the thousands of respectful career paths out there-.

I agree with that sentiment. Why can't Carl date and marry someone with a job other than posing half naked. Perfection does not (thankfully) exist and it's not like it means that Sofia is acceptable. There are a lot of young ladies out there that have clearly defined and respectable jobs, plus there are a lot of young women who DON'T have nude photos or photos of them in bikinis wearing a python snake as a top.

 

[KitKat2006]

I agree with that sentiment. Why can't Carl date and marry someone with a job other than posing half naked. Perfection does not (thankfully) exist and it's not like it means that Sofia is acceptable. There are a lot of young ladies out there that have clearly defined and respectable jobs, plus there are a lot of young women who DON'T have nude photos or photos of them in bikinis wearing a python snake as a top.

Maybe because he didn't look at her past first but at the present woman standing right before him? Maybe it's not important to him how a woman makes her living but, for example, what she looks like, that she's a good sense of humor, that she's accepting his car racing hobby and most importantly, maybe he just looks for a woman who's being able to handle what his position is throwing out at him? Because no matter what, every woman who really get's herself involved with a royal is trading her former more or less public life for a life under a microscope. That's not an easy thing to do. And an outgoing woman like Sofia is more suitable to a life like that than a shy one like Diana has been.

By the way, Carl Philip had girlfriend with a decent job for nearly a decade and look where that brought either of them. Certainly not into a marriage. So it seems like the job of the woman in question is really not something he is bothering about. And that's perfectly fine because there are more important things when it comes to building a relationship. Things like mentioned above.

 

[Nice Nofret]

So it seems like the job of the woman in question is really not something he is bothering about. And that's perfectly fine because there are more important things when it comes to building a relationship. Things like mentioned above.

True - that would be fine .. if they didn't live by the taxpayer and wouldn't want to take on officials roles for their country.

.. THAT's the crucial point - so for me it is quite clear - he can have her and go private or if they don't - well - that's another nail to the coffin of swedens royal family...

 

[lilnana]

He hasn't done much work this past year so it's that that big of a request that the steps down completely. Who knows it might work out to be best for him if he gives up the public role that way he can finish his degree and focus more on his designs, his farm and racing.

 

[LadyFinn]

Maybe we should have a thread to Carl Philip´s and Sofia´s events, because this doesn´t exactly belong here, it isn´t a press report.

From a blog:
Sofia has been on a Viking Line ship with her sister promoting her yoga clothes, and of course she mentioned also Project Playground.
Yvonne Ryding Home

 

[auntie]

When I read about Sofia, all the other "commoners married into royalty" look like 24 karat gold in comparison to her

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

She is being groomed, no question about that. i am sure we will see an engagement next year, after the euphoria about Victoria's baby has calmed down.

 

[LadyFinn]

At the cover of Expressen:
Sofia´s crisis - she is now supported by the court
http://cdnstatic.expressen.se/polop...321003280601_slot100slotWide75ArticleFull.jpg

The article isn´t at their site yet. But I guess it maybe be related to this article in Svensk Damtidning:

The head of the information and press department of the court, Bertil Ternert, told to Svensk Damtidning, that Sofia has told to the court, that she wants to learn more about how she will manage at the public environment. She is obviously interested in knowing more about the public environment as a result of this media interest as she has experienced. That's right, tells Ternert.
That the information manager even receiving such a request, and confirms it in the media, allows speculation about an engagement coming soon.

Prince Daniel didn´t have the permission to move officially to Victoria´s apartment before the engagement (Ternert confirmed ages ago that Carl Philip and Sofia are living together) and he didn´t get any help with how to handle the publicity from the court, absolutely not. Instead, he himself contacted a public relations agency in Stockholm.​

Svensk Damtidning is wondering, that Sofia turning to the court on this issue may be it´s like it's an engagement coming?
- No, no. I do not perveive that there is a crisis management going on and I do not perceive that there is some training going on special.
Do you think that there is an engagement coming?
- I do not perceive it either.
Sofia vill nu lära sig mer om den offentliga miljön | Svensk Damtidning
Google translation

 

[JessRulz]

Ternert needs to be gagged and thrown in the dungeons under Drottningholm. His incessant blabber about what should be, and are, private matters of currently a private person is not doing anyone any favours.

 

[Esmerelda]

He's not doing a very good job as spokesman is he? Gah!

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

I think the way Daniel was treated is rather normal for royals in general, before engagement there is usualy hardly any comment about a possible relationship.

I wonder what is the reason behind going down a different - in a negative sense - path in case of Sofia.

 

[Kit]

I am pretty sure an engagement is coming and who knows maybe Sophia will prove herself. So far there is something about her that gives me the creeps although I don't why. Just a bad feeling.

 

[American Dane]

I think the way Daniel was treated is rather normal for royals in general, before engagement there is usualy hardly any comment about a possible relationship.

I wonder what is the reason behind going down a different - in a negative sense - path in case of Sofia.

I agree, while it may have seemed that the way Daniel was treated by the court before his engagement was harsh or non-existant, that is simply how it is done in royal houses i.e. Kate in the BRF.

Besides Sofia's obvious lacking in the suitability of being a princess it's the way the court and specifically the court press department treat/help her that irks me. Is there some favouritism for Carl Philip in the works here?

It will be interesting to see how any story relating to Chris O'Neill will be handled in the future...

 

[Bine221]

It may be, that Bertil Ternet may have convinced the king to be more "open" towards the press.
But: if this openness then results dreadful interviews of the king (like the one in summer) or the shoot-forward messages of Ternet regarding Sofia, then we can look forward to more questionnable semi-announcements from the court.
BYe Bine

 

[LadyFinn]

Carl Philip and Sofia met Carl Philip´s former girlfriend Emma Pernald and her boyfriend Tomas Jonson at a christening of the baby of Carl Philips friends at the Östermalm church last Sunday, tells finnish Iltasanomat, which quotes Expressen. Sofia and Emma have met never before. Emma and Tomas arrived early, but Carl Philip and Sofia came just before the ceremony started. So they noticed eachother only when the christening was over. Some people who saw them told to Expressen, that the meeting was cold. Sofia wouldn´t have wanted to meet Emma, but when Emma and Tomas came to greet Carl Philip, Sofia had to come to them too. The meeting was very brief.
Carl Philipin tyttöystävä Sofia Hellqvist ja exä Emma Pernald kohtasivat - Ilta-Sanomat

 

[Zonk]

I am trying to understand why the press is making an issue of Sofia and Emma not meeting or the idea that Sofia is heistant to meet with Emma. Apparently both Carl and Emma have moved on, there was no overlap. What are they trying to infer?

I don't get it.

Either way. I miss Emma! I always thought she was (from what we know) a lovely girl (i.e attractive, appeared to get along very well with members of the immdeadiate family and above all discreet. Perfect combination IMO for a potential daughter in law for a King).

Oh well, maybe it was the right girl at the wrong time or just not the right girl for Carl Phillip.

 

[LadyFinn]

I am trying to understand why the press is making an issue of Sofia and Emma not meeting or the idea that Sofia is heistant to meet with Emma. Apparently both Carl and Emma have moved on, there was no overlap. What are they trying to infer?

I don't get it.

Maybe because the press points out, like in this story, that Sofia knows very well that many of Carl Philip´s friends would have hoped that Carl Philip and Emma would have reunited.

 

[Zonk]

Well, if that is the case IMO the best thing for Sofia would be to meet Emma to show the friends, the press and/or whomever that she isn't going anywhere.

Really...this story has no legs.

As I said, it appears that both parties have moved on. There is no big deal to meet your ex's new boyfriend/girlfriend IMO as long as there are no hard feelings (i.e. a bad breakup). Or you not dating a friend of your ex! Yeah, I am talking about you Jonas But that is the topic of another thread.

 

[agami.pearl]

I always though that CP and Emma's breakup wasn't dramatic, maybe they're not close friends but can deal with this situation. Sofia clearly can't, for me she''s still insecure in this relationship, mostly because lack of acceptation from Maddie and maybe few friends of CP. But if Madeleine could stand Jonas w/girlfriend at friend's wedding it shouldn't be too hard for Sofia too. IMO of course.

 

[MagMil]

Great said agami.pearl .I'm not a big fan of Sofia, but don't see why would such a dust around their seeing with each other

 

[Zonk]

Agreed. I am not a fan of Sofia's but really this seems like a story made up by the press.

Since Sofia and Carl appear to be committed to each other, it appears that the Princess Remake is in the works, etc.....why would Sofia not want to meet Emma?

Its a bit far fetched IMO.

 

[AristoCat]

I do agree here. Give the girl a chance. She may just end up doing a good job and rise up to be a successful princess. It would be different is she was still posing nude after an official engagement. In any case, Prince Carl Philip's association with her would not be the first scandal to hit a royal house.

Why not give a nice girl a chance? Why not date and marry a nice girl with no nude photos or a tawdry past 'career' like that? What about those nice girls who stay in from getting drunk and prefer to work on making a nice home for themselves, or perhaps prefer to study hard on something difficult in school? Sofia has had her chance to live a respectable life and blew it and doesn't Carl care about how his kids might have to live with what his mother's done?

AS for the courtiers, everyone knows that the royals never listen to them anyway and treat them (courtiers) like the enemy instead of people who break their backs cleaning up their messes and scheduling their appearances. Royals are supported by the taxpayers and respresent the nation and if royals are supposedly better than 'mere' politicians, why is it that politicians are more careful about who they marry and have kdis with ? Politicians might be hypocrites, but they understand that they have ot represent the nation they seek to serve as best they can and this grooming always starts early.

 

[KittyAtlanta]

Sorry. I have a very conservative personality, but I can't see where posing nude makes Sofia BAD. We all have a past, some overcome their past. I hope Sofia is on the road to recovery. That she is possibly going to wed a prince makes no difference to me. It's not what she DID, but what she does going forward.

 

[NGalitzine]

Why not give a nice girl a chance? Why not date and marry a nice girl with no nude photos or a tawdry past 'career' like that? What about those nice girls who stay in from getting drunk and prefer to work on making a nice home for themselves, or perhaps prefer to study hard on something difficult in school? Sofia has had her chance to live a respectable life and blew it and doesn't Carl care about how his kids might have to live with what his mother's done?

Sometimes I read posts and have to check my calendar to verify that we do indeed live in the 21st century.
You are basically writing off a persons entire life and their future just because of some pictures of her in the nude!! Good grief.

 

[LadyFinn]

We all have different opinions and different views what is appropriate and who can be a princess. In my opinion Sofia isn´t suitable for a princess. I can´t understand that anyone can enjoy to pose naked. Some things aren´t meant to be public, they are private. I must also wonder her breeding as a child and young woman. Carl Philip can marry her and be Mr. Bernadotte after that.

 

[NGalitzine]

We all have different opinions and different views what is appropriate and who can be a princess. In my opinion Sofia isn´t suitable for a princess. I can´t understand that anyone can enjoy to pose naked. Some things aren´t meant to be public, they are private. I must also wonder her breeding as a child and young woman. Carl Philip can marry her and be Mr. Bernadotte after that.

Breeding?? Really?? We are talking about a human being not an entry in the Westminster Dog Show.

 

[AristoCat]

I just wonder, if Carl were normal and had to make his own way in the world, would he have anything to do with Sofia? If he didn't have taxpayers paying his own way, I am more than sure that he would think twice about getting too serious with Sofia.