Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012


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So a woman in 2011 is supposed to be "modern" when posing nude in order to get public attention? I have a different idea of modern, liberated women in in the 21st century.

You are not alone.....!! :cool:

If refinement, modesty, and elegance...all while appearing appropriately clothed...are now considered "old fashioned" then send me back to the Middle Ages, PRONTO.

What a world. God help us all.
 
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If refinement, modesty, and elegance...all while appearing appropriately clothed...are now considered "old fashioned" then send me back to the Middle Ages, PRONTO.

In all frankness, I agree; I am so TIRED of seeing this all the stupid time and I am tired of seeing tarts get all the good guys.

Sweden needs a lot of things, but a 'young' (btw, she's 4 years off 30) 'beautiful', (she's pretty i'll give you that) and 'intelligent' (I don't know if she is) future princess, probably isn't one of them right now. Sofia if she were to become a Princess, needs more than her looks to get her through. Because boy will they fade. Oh and a quick pointer, Carl - Philip is spelt with a P not an F.

These days, commoners who become princesses should have more to offer than just looks and supposed brains and youth. In order to prove they are good enough (and don't get started on the politically correct argument of royals misbehaving) they should have much more than potential to offer, they should have something concrete. If she wants to stand on the world stage as a princess, she has to be credible and be as respected as possible, not married and THEN sit next to an official, looking gussied up, but coming off as totally cheap and brainless. That is the last thing Sweden needs. I don't think Sofia is pursuing Carl to live a retiring life on a farm in the middle of the countryside with a bunch of sheep and cows and horses.

Otherwise we just continue along in the downward spiral that has society degenerating into a lazy group that has zero standards of dignity. Having morals (doesn't mean you are a prude), standards (doesn't mean you are stuck-up), a direction in life (doesn't mean you are a stick in the mud), and some level of self-respect DOES make a person's life admirable and valuable. But having those things is much more difficult in practice.

This world has been just about to hit rock bottom and if women like this keep marrying into the royal families, at what point are the royal families really worth keeping? Presidents are a lot more selective in who they will marry, because they have an eye on representing the nation they asppire to run. Royalty should do the same, all the more, since this is a 'for life' issue.

All is required is Carl Philip to like her and pop the question.

It doesn't mean seh will make a good wife and mother; Carl is being a fool if he thinks that a woman wiht her behavior will be a stable, healthy influence.


And I am sure that she will beome popular enough as long as the press will print these sugar coated interviews in magazines/newspapers and keep writing about her as Sweden's new mother Teresa, as seems to be the case now.

Amazing how a prince can whitewash your entire past and reputation, isn't it? A wave of the social wand and all is clean.

i dont hate Sofia, she is actually pretty and has a nice name. but her behavior and past sins are not forgetable ones, i know people deserve second chances, but in her case where she will be eventually a princess, the media will hunt her for the rest of her life!

It's not like it was a phase in her life and it's not like she has been past that for some years and has had a respectable career for some time. She's still partying, still posing, and is only now interested in charity. Are there no women with an interest in a stable career out there that might attract a prince?

Carl Philip could easily find a modern, beautiful and intelligent woman to be her princess. A woman, who hasn´t shown everything to the whole world in very questionable photos. A dignified, discreet and respectable woman. As for Sofia, I don´t think she has qualifies for that.

You're right about that. There are hundreds of such princesses out there, thousands of commoner women out there as well. It's not impossible and no nice woman is going to enter into some love competition for Carl's affections and attention and provide drama for tabloid fodder. I am sure that if Carl were a commoner, he would have some fun with Sofia and then walk away. Commoner men are actually a lot more picky about who they will marry and who will be the mother of his children.

I've seen royals in pornclubs, in nude, drunk, using drugs etc.

Yes, and then they grew out of it and settled down. Has Sofia yet?
 
Carl Philip can choose whoever the heck he wants to be with! Just because Sofia isnt your cup of tea doesn't change the fact that you aren't Carl Philip's mother nor do you have a say over who he falls in love with.
 
I don´t know miss Montez or who she is. But I´ve met Sofia, and she is warm, intelligent, clever and good looking. Congratulations to Sweden and Carl-Filip!



A little skin is nothing. Worse with them using drugs.
She is trained with media and that´s good.
How do you know she didn't do drugs before?
where did you meet sofia and in what capacity?

Carl Philip can choose whoever the heck he wants to be with! Just because Sofia isnt your cup of tea doesn't change the fact that you aren't Carl Philip's mother nor do you have a say over who he falls in love with.
Why are you being so confrontational in text? People are discussing the press reports that come out about these two, and giving their opinions on the matter-
 
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I don´t know miss Montez or who she is. But I´ve met Sofia, and she is warm, intelligent, clever and good looking. Congratulations to Sweden and Carl-Filip!

A while ago I 've begun to think that you've met Sofia in the real life,judging from your comments aboout her.I appreciate that you've seen her good qualities,maybe your impressions are genuine,but for me,they are naturally subjective,as I've never met her.But it could be that you've praised her a little much more ,as you're male,so your point of view could be different here.As for me,Sofia is beautiful and clever enough to get a prince(they may share the same views etc.),but she never looked intelligent or intellectual to me,the things she did before do not demonstrate this and her achievements are quite poor.
I see in her just a nice woman and a woman who is loved by the prince(hope she loves him as well and will never betray as Jonas did to princess Madeleine).I think she has no strategic importance to Sweden,as she is not going to be Crown-Princess,many Swedes are rather tolerant or indifferent towards these matters with past etc.
She is lucky to be the girlfriend of the Prince of Sweden,and not of that of Britain,as I couldn't imagine what the press would do if she had been Prince Harry's girlfriend,just for example.
 
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Finnish Iltalehti quotes Expressen: Madeleine´s friends are sending one of those questionable photos of Sofia (which have been. e.g. at a spanish site and tried to be removed from the internet) to eachother by phone.
It is not clear, if the photo is real and original. A friend of Sofia, Tony Kollberg says that it looks like a collage of photos.
The timing of this fuss is the worst possible for Sofia, she has been getting her relationship with Silvia warming, started to work at charity projects and changed her look to stylish and discreet. According to Expressen Silvia has started to think that Sofia is the one and only for her son, although it is quite difficult for her to accept Sofia´s past as a reality-tv-star and glamour model. Sofia worries how this fuss affects to her relationship with the royal family.
Sofia Hellqvistin piina: Madden ystävät levittävät seksikuvaa | Viihde | Iltalehti.fi
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SvenskDam tells that Sofia has had a stylist for a couple of weeks. She is 23-year-old Camilla Åstrand, who has a Bachelor's degree at Fashion Marketing and Communication from the Instituto Europeo di Design i Barcelona. She is working as a Head of Digital & PR Consultant at the Rossana Mariano PR ab.
Camilla says she will help Sofia with styling in all contexts where she wants her help. It may be for occasions where she will be seen extra much or when she just wants fashion advice.
 
Actions speak a lot lower than words. A person is well dressed and well-mannered and who looks good on paper or doesn't have scandals may have the personality of a rat or be deceptive about who they are. Someone who maybe isn't so perfect on paper or perception may have better manners than someone whose supposedly clean as a whistle.

It's important for someone whose marrying into royalty to be well dressed, well mannered and not be putting on an act or pretending to be someone they aren't. At some point this comes out as you can't hid this forever. Sometimes it not always easy to tell because some people are very good at fooling people. Time always tell though, one way or another.
 
Sofia and Carl Philip at Swedish American Life Science Summit, 26th August. Sofia´s mentor Barbro Ehnbom is the president of SALSS. Before this event Sofia gave an interview to SvenskDam, this is the event Carl Philip helped Sofia to hang the photos.
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Carl Philip and countess Marianne Bernadotte af Wisborg
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Sofia surely loves camera and attention.

Photos of Sofia from 26th August
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Maybe, maybe not. It appears to be a pic of Sofia with a woman with a baby. I stood by a Harley-Davidson the other day, but that doesn't mean I want one.
 
Maybe, maybe not. It appears to be a pic of Sofia with a woman with a baby. I stood by a Harley-Davidson the other day, but that doesn't mean I want one.

Stop playing!

You know you want a Harley Davidson.:whistling:

Still on the fence with Sofia. I do agree with the concept that the PR machine is working on her behalf. I don't remember this meet and greet stuff, and pick up a charity with Daniel. But different circumstances I guess.
 
Still on the fence with Sofia. I do agree with the concept that the PR machine is working on her behalf. I don't remember this meet and greet stuff, and pick up a charity with Daniel. But different circumstances I guess.

Daniel, Jonas and Emma were all very occupied with their jobs. And the court didn´t comment their lives at all, like it´s done with Sofia many times now already.
 
Oooooooooooo, yes, I dooooooooooooooo want a Harley.........
 
Daniel was properly "checked"-they searched for anything they could find-unpaid bills,scandals,alcohol excesses or drug use but they could not find anything negative about him!Stop comparing Sofia to Daniel,Mette-Marit or other commoners who married into RF! They had different backgrounds,careers and lives before they married and they are very nice & respectable and proved to be good for their partners (except for Jonas)....
We have discussed Sofia a lot-she is a beautiful young woman and now she´s getting support to polish up her public image.I like the changes she has made so far-her new style,attending charity events etc. are a good way to show that she is serious about this relationship and she wants to be of help...it will not make her old life vanish (her desperate wish to be in the spotlight) but I believe that she deserves a chance to prove that she can do more than just posing for pictures.
 
Still on the fence with Sofia. I do agree with the concept that the PR machine is working on her behalf. I don't remember this meet and greet stuff, and pick up a charity with Daniel. But different circumstances I guess.

I am also on the fence about Sofia. Certainly she will never be able to erase the past. A lot depends on the next year with Victoria and Daniel and the new baby. Having a healthy heir to the throne relieves much of the burden on Carl Philip and frees up his choices to include someone with a past that was....very well documented, shall we say.

At some point, though, marrying not just commoners but those with a "common" past doesn't preserve a monarchy or royalty; it detracts from it. Standards can relax without being pitched overboard completely. I'll be curious as to how Sofia comports herself point-forward.

I think it was premature for the blogger to openly say "the next princess" (rough translation.) I think the couple has a ways to go before that hurdle is cleared.
 
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I am also on the fence about Sofia. Certainly she will never be able to erase the past. A lot depends on the next year with Victoria and Daniel and the new baby. Having a healthy heir to the throne relieves much of the burden on Carl Philip and frees up his choices to include someone with a past that was....very well documented, shall we say.

At some point, though, marrying not just commoners but those with a "common" past doesn't preserve a monarchy or royalty; it detracts from it. Standards can relax without being pitched overboard completely. I'll be curious as to how Sofia comports herself point-forward.

I think it was premature for the blogger to openly say "the next princess" (rough translation.) I think the couple has a ways to go before that hurdle is cleared.

Yeah, I am going to need you to get out of my head. That to me is the main point (other than what appears to be Sofia's desire for fame). Before I go on, I must say that everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and a variety of different opinions makes a discussion board all that more interesting.

But for the life of me, I can't see why some people don't see the basic point for those of us who have expressed reservations about this relationship (myself included). Its not that we are all haters, that we don't go for a nice love story, and that we don't want the Cinderella ending for Carl Phillip (rich boy/girl who is a princess and/or princess marries the girl next door), and that we don't believe in fairy tales and sugar and spice and everything nice and all that.

Its the commonness of it all. And before anyone says I am being a snob....I will confess you are right. I am being a snob who totally believes in a democracy, and that everyone is equal regardless of your race, sex, sexual orientation, all of it. But I also (despite the fact that I am an American) believe in the constitutional monarchy. I guess as long as it someone else's it doesn't matter.

That's why I agree with (and bolded) NotAPretender's post and I will repost it again:

At some point, though, marrying not just commoners but those with a "common" past doesn't preserve a monarchy or royalty; it detracts from it. Standards can relax without being pitched overboard completely.

I enjoy the Swedish Royal Family a bit too much to see it go away because CP and Sofia are in love, and potentially want to marry and have kids. And I disagree with the repeated sentiment that everyone should just deal with it. If they do proceed to the next step, as non Swedish citizen, I shall certainly have to deal with it. But if as NaP stated, what if the Swedish people instead of just dealing with it decide that a Princess with a common past doesn't deserve to be royalty, and its better to scrap the whole thing altogether.

I hope that some happy balance is reached, that all parties involved are happy and loved (really I have nothing personal against Sofia other than she made some not so good life choices), and that the history and tradition of the Swedish Royal Family are bigger than CP and Sofia.


Any chance that Emma P comes back on the scene? I really liked her.

Didn't we all. Or rather, we really didn't know enough information about her to dislike or and/or anything that we did know certainly wasn't on par for Sofia's "past."
 
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I've noticed a lot of 'but shes so pretty/beautiful' comments, not just here mind you, and I don't get it. Yes shes good looking, she dresses good, but that shouldn't white wash her past. I rather see him with someone who is down right hideous but with a nice, respectable career. I'm not trying suggest that she can't be a nice person, but someone who's name when googled, shows connects to a soft-core porn magazine (which is basically what Slitz addeds up too doesn't it? Or do people 'just get it for the articles' like with playboy?), photos of her posing topless, a trashy reality tv show (Paradise Hotel) and to that person boasting about making out with a porn star isn't the material to marry into a royal family. After Jonas was found out (about the hook up with the girl from norway) it was said that the press had know about his 'partying' but held back, who to say that they aren't just holding back on Sofia and that if they do get married they will then release more negative article about her? If she made her living as a 'glamour model' then there has to be more photos then what is already out there from other shots, and those photographs could make quite a bit of money releasing them if they ever got engaged.
 
I read from today´s finnish Iltasanomat, which quotes Expressen:
Queen Silvia forced Madeleine to accept Sofia. The director of the Information and Press Department, Bertil Ternert said to Expressen:
- I have spoken about Sofia Hellqvist with Madeleine and she assured to me that they have a good relationship.
According to Iltasanomat and Expressen, queen Silvia has explained the seriousness of this situation to Madeleine, by saying that you have to learn to live with this. Now Madeleine has told to the information department and to the royal family, that there isn´t any problem between her and Sofia anymore.
According to Expressen, they reconciled already some time ago.
- Because the princess lives in USA, she doesn´t meet Sofia very often. But when they meet, they get along, said Ternert.
 
I read from today´s finnish Iltasanomat, which quotes Expressen:
Queen Silvia forced Madeleine to accept Sofia. The director of the Information and Press Department, Bertil Ternert said to Expressen:
- I have spoken about Sofia Hellqvist with Madeleine and she assured to me that they have a good relationship.
According to Iltasanomat and Expressen, queen Silvia has explained the seriousness of this situation to Madeleine, by saying that you have to learn to live with this. Now Madeleine has told to the information department and to the royal family, that there isn´t any problem between her and Sofia anymore.
According to Expressen, they reconciled already some time ago.
- Because the princess lives in USA, she doesn´t meet Sofia very often. But when they meet, they get along, said Ternert.

Why is he talking about their relationship?! Did he not take lessons in royal PR where you never comment on their private lives? :bang:
 
IMO there would never be so much hassle about Sofia if engagement & marriage wasnt already a done decision within SRF. Its only about whitewashing her past for some time before there we can expect an announcement. A little bit of charity and a great relationship with the inlaws may make people forget posing nude with a snake.
 
Why is he talking about their relationship?! Did he not take lessons in royal PR where you never comment on their private lives? :bang:

We already found out several times, that Ternet isn´t better than Eldh.... so he must have "forgotten" it :lol::whistling:....

Ok, back to reality: it really seems, that a lot of people are grounding the way for an announcement. My prediction was in autumn, maybe I am wrong here and it will be in Spring, nevertheless I see this more and more on the horizon. And: as soon as a healthy future heir(ess) is born, this is no longer so dramatically seen as many posters still do here in this thread!

BYe Bine
 
Why they forced Madeleine to like Sofia? She doesn't like CP's girlfriend and she has a right to do it. I don't blame her. She will live in NY and girl which posed naked with snake will attend at the Nobles and will be a princess. Fact that palace PR team is talking about means probably that the engagement and wedding are possible. I don't know how Sweden will handle it.
 
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