Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012

[ortino]

Again, the facts:
Sofia Hellqvist began modeling as a teenager, the first nude photo sessions of her were held when she was 16.
She never ‘started a yoga center in Manhattan’. While living there with her older boyfriend and his son, she started to train as a yoga teacher, gave some lessons in a yoga center, and didn’t finish her training. The full nude pics of her in front of the mirrors were taken three years ago during the time in New York.
Her involvement with the one charity she co-founded began after she met Prince Carl Philip.
‘Project Playground’ has the goal to find useful things for South African children to do in their leisure time… like dancing and playing. Last month, it has also started an initiative to fund money for hot school meals.
Sofia Hellqvist’s last charity work on record was the launch of a charity lip gloss at a party in Stockholm in November 2010, and a visit to the charity in early 2011.
By going on its website, everybody can form their own opinion of the charity, of its efficiency and professionalism – or the lack thereof:
— Project Playground

As for the yoga aspect, she never trained properly as a yoga teacher, but two months ago the Prince’s girlfriend was suddenly able to co-launch a yoga clothing business, called DOM / ‘Drop of Mindfulness’.
The website of the business, using pseudo new age philosophy to promote the sale of work out clothes:
Drop OF Mindfulness

Excellent post again Boris!

 

[Britters]

I don't think anyone would care if this family didn't include a mom and dad who are king and queen of Sweden, and as such meant to be representatives for Sweden. The trappings that surround royal courts with their pageantry, pomp, history, and external displays thereof are the reasons they are still in power. The problem lies with members of royal houses living private lives while still expecting to be supported by their constituents. Even if CP doesn't get any money from the Swedish state, he is still receiving it from his father, or his properties which have been acquired b/c his father is the king. I don't know how much property (meaning land and other assets) belongs to the state and how much is private, but the fact remains they wouldn't have access to such property if CG wasn't the king. CP wants to have his cake and eat it too.

So what would you have him do then? Open up a poll and allow the voting constituents run his life, since they are the one who fun a good deal of it? They can choose his appearances, and whom he settles down with...

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

I'm not saying he should marry Sofia, as I said, I don't know much about her, but it seems to me that harping on something that is clearly going to happen regardless is a waste of energy. Short of arranging marriages for the members of the Royal Family, there is always going to be controversy (and imagine the fuss an arranged marriage would kick up!)

People change; they grow. Who are we to say that Sofia isn't growing and changing and becoming more interested in simply settling down? On the other side of the coin, she could very well be in this for the fame and notice...but we're not likely to ever figure that out, are we? Only she can know that.

 

[Karisma]

I has written the facts we know.

Thats the propagandaversion. People that have seen her doing yoga say she isnt the best one to teach it.

What you write: "People who have seen her teach yoga ..." is an secondary story which usually called "hearsay".

 

[jemagre]

So what would you have him do then? Open up a poll and allow the voting constituents run his life, since they are the one who fun a good deal of it? They can choose his appearances, and whom he settles down with...

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

I'm not saying he should marry Sofia, as I said, I don't know much about her, but it seems to me that harping on something that is clearly going to happen regardless is a waste of energy. Short of arranging marriages for the members of the Royal Family, there is always going to be controversy (and imagine the fuss an arranged marriage would kick up!)

People change; they grow. Who are we to say that Sofia isn't growing and changing and becoming more interested in simply settling down? On the other side of the coin, she could very well be in this for the fame and notice...but we're not likely to ever figure that out, are we? Only she can know that.

Wouldn't CP be able to figure out that she was using him for the fame? Maybe he knows and doesn't care or maybe he is blind.

Does she have a job other than charity work?

As for her charity work..Is it successful? How about her clothing line?

 

[Karisma]

So what would you have him do then? Open up a poll and allow the voting constituents run his life, since they are the one who fun a good deal of it? They can choose his appearances, and whom he settles down with...

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

I'm not saying he should marry Sofia, as I said, I don't know much about her, but it seems to me that harping on something that is clearly going to happen regardless is a waste of energy. Short of arranging marriages for the members of the Royal Family, there is always going to be controversy (and imagine the fuss an arranged marriage would kick up!)

People change; they grow. Who are we to say that Sofia isn't growing and changing and becoming more interested in simply settling down? On the other side of the coin, she could very well be in this for the fame and notice...but we're not likely to ever figure that out, are we? Only she can know that.

Of course the prince have to follow his heart when that day comes. I agree with what you wrote.

 

[Lady Felicity M]

As the old saying goes, love is blind

 

[princess gertrude]

As the old saying goes, love is blind

Yes it is!

 

[Karisma]

Love shall be blind

Love is blind and it should be!. Otherwise many of us as well as many Royals never would have been able to find someone up to "the standards". One have to listen to feelings and to the heart.

 

[Boris]

The saying “Love is blind” certainly has an ambiguous meaning to begin with;
re-worded as “Love shall be blind” it becomes rather questionable;
and to “Marriage shall be blind” I would definitely not subscribe.

 

[Karisma]

A question of interpretation.

I may have difficulty expressing the way I feel when I use English language instead of my primary language. Therefore, I do clarifie once again that I mean that one should marry for love and not because a what people think. And on the subject we are discussing, I really believe that there are excesses. We paint with broad brushes here! The only thing that currently can be commented on is who Prince Carl-Philip hang out with. Everything beyond this is, as yet, only speculation.

 

[LadyFinn]

Everything beyond this is, as yet, only speculation.

Sofia´s previous life isn´t speculation. There is much of proof about it, and the proof will pop out again and again.

 

[Karisma]

Sofia´s previous life isn´t speculation. There is much of proof about it, and the proof will pop out again and again.

Sofia is nothing more than a young person to spend time with the young prince. Yet it is written as if the engagement was declared and the date of the wedding has already been determined. Here in the forum we have famous people married into scandalous life as soon as they become royal. Then, neither the previous infidelity shops, nudity or children in other circumstances played a part. The members of the TRF have since I became a member (2005) has not been consistent condemnation, and I think that's right. Reflect on how the tone of each of certain other royal families in the faith tracking devices marriage. In Sofia's case, we can not yet write about some of the planned marriage, so I think it is a debate in the high tone of something that none of us even know.

 

[KitKat2006]

Wouldn't CP be able to figure out that she was using him for the fame? Maybe he knows and doesn't care or maybe he is blind.

How do you know that she's doing it? Because contrary to Carl Philip WE don't know her personally. So why do all of you think you know her better than HIM who knows her personally.

 

[Karisma]

Agree!!

How do you know that she's doing it? Because contrary to Carl Philip WE don't know her personally. So why do all of you think you know her better than HIM who knows her personally.

One, in my opinion, very wise question! Many people write, and make it sound as if they are in the immediate ring of friends of Prince Carl-Filp. the members invokes scandal press reports as if they would be more knowing than the prince himself. But who will explore how the relationship with a girlfriend is better than the prince himself can?

 

[Sancia]

CP didn't ask to be born into this life, and sometimes one cannot control what one's heart feels.

If he feels his life should not be the one of a prince of Sweden, he can give up his rights to the throne of Sweden and have the life of a "normal" citizen, no one will blame him for this.

 

[Britters]

If he feels his life should not be the one of a prince of Sweden, he can give up his rights to the throne of Sweden and have the life of a "normal" citizen, no one will blame him for this.

And again I will point out, even if he renounces in order to live the life of a "normal" citizen, he is still the son of the reigning monarch. Any move he makes is still going to reflect on his family.

 

[Karisma]

Who knows?

If he feels his life should not be the one of a prince of Sweden, he can give up his rights to the throne of Sweden and have the life of a "normal" citizen, no one will blame him for this.

Nobody among us knows anything about what sort of relation prince Carl- Filip will have in the future. Even if he marry a royal person he must have permission from the king and the gouverment. I, myself, think he shall go by his heart.

 

[Karisma]

King´s sisters

And again I will point out, even if he renounces in order to live the life of a "normal" citizen, he is still the son of the reigning monarch. Any move he makes is still going to reflect on his family.

Well, who knows? King Carl-Gustavs older sisters, Birgitta, Desiré and Margaretha, have suceeded living a rather "normal life".

 

[Sancia]

Nobody among us knows anything about what sort of relation prince Carl- Filip will have in the future. Even if he marry a royal person he must have permission from the king and the gouverment. I, myself, think he shall go by his heart.

I was answering to the fact he has not chosen to be born the son of the reigning monarch. No one is bound to a royal life if he doesn't want to. That was all what I was saying and didn't imply anything for Carl-Philip's future life.

 

[Renata4711]

But then, perhaps he decides to "have his cake and eat it".

What are the (real) objections against Sofia?

 

[Sancia]

But then, perhaps he decides to "have his cake and eat it".

What are the (real) objections against Sofia?

The mains objections are the pics she posed for. I have seen the whole of them and I fully understand the objections.

 

[Karisma]

The mains objections are the pics she posed for. I have seen the whole of them and I fully understand the objections.

I myself have not been looking for pictures especially and have no interest to do so. However, it is immaterial what you and I like them. At present, Sofia regarded as a private citizen who associate with royalty. Is the relationship further you need every step of approval from His Majesty the King and the government. We can speculate and ventilate again and again. The closest we get is hearsay and private views.

 

[ortino]

Behavior fit for being a princess?:
1.Sofia has posed nude and not very artistically at that-nude bathroom pictures.
2. Sofia posed in a photo shoot in various sexually suggestive poses as a teenager.
3. Sofia posed in a magazine with a snake wrapped around her and other photos from the session again, show her as in a sexually submissive and suggestive poses.
4. Sofia started a charity, and the bank account number provided for donations was the in her name; a personal bank account.
To each their own, if the Swedish people want her as a consort for HRH Prince Carl Phillip then it's their choice. But, its not up to the Swedish people to decide. Its up to the King to give his consent and approve.
This topic is going round and round. People give their opinions over and over again (myself included).

 

[jemagre]

How do you know that she's doing it? Because contrary to Carl Philip WE don't know her personally. So why do all of you think you know her better than HIM who knows her personally.

I think I phrased that statement wrong. I was making the point that even IF he was being used he should/would know it. Not that he was/is.

I personally have no idea if he is. I would hope he is not.

 

[Karisma]

Behavior fit for being a princess?:
1.Sofia has posed nude and not very artistically at that-nude bathroom pictures.
2. Sofia posed in a photo shoot in various sexually suggestive poses as a teenager.
3. Sofia posed in a magazine with a snake wrapped around her and other photos from the session again, show her as in a sexually submissive and suggestive poses.
4. Sofia started a charity, and the bank account number provided for donations was the in her name; a personal bank account.
To each their own, if the Swedish people want her as a consort for HRH Prince Carl Phillip then it's their choice. But, its not up to the Swedish people to decide. Its up to the King to give his consent and approve.
This topic is going round and round. People give their opinions over and over again (myself included).

I must start by saying that I have not seen many of the photos of Sofia as many obvious references.

1st Art and artistic talent can have many different views on without one is more right than the other.

2nd I have seen challenged naknfoton of people born in the royal family and, no less, very vulgar texts written by the royals who were born in the royal family.

3rd As with much else artistry is interpreted by the viewer's eye. I have not seen the picture and can not judge them. Pure generally I do not think nudity is the worst thing a person were exposed. Sofia had been a "horse face", has been married before, the mistress of the Prince while she ofiiciellt levdmed her husband, perhaps with children from previous marriages, I would, personally, found it much more inappropriate. But it works all very well in other royal houses so why not? ...

4th Here it's only speculation and we know absolutely int something other than what the gossip columns presented. One must remember that entt claim does not become more true only for several gossip columnists claimed the same thing. On the direct question, said the editor of Aftonbladet: "Our job is to sell as many single copies as possible."

Finally: It is so true that the question of the future will possibly be presented to His Majesty the King and government. But before this happens, the prince have to to decide what he wants, with whom, and "how he wants to live".

 

[Monna]

1st Art and artistic talent can have many different views on without one is more right than the other.

Art? Those photos are not artistic at all, they`re soft porn. If you didn`t see them, why do you comment on this topic?

 

[Sancia]

I think the point Karisma tries to raise is the following: only the King and the Queen can decide if Sofia is fit to enter in the royal family. But I oppose to this another point, which is Sofia will most probably have a public life as princess of Sweden, and I highly doubt everyone will happily accept to have social relations with a girl who posed for soft porn pics (yes, these pics are porn, there are few doubts about it) and which does not give any signs this is something she regrets and that could have many impacts for the charity work the future princess may be able to do.
I have no objections with commoner princesses, I had no objections with Mette-Marit but I fully understand why people have objections with a maybe future princesse who was paid for posing for porn pics, even if they were soft porn.

 

[Karisma]

Read the topic

Art? Those photos are not artistic at all, they`re soft porn. If you didn`t see them, why do you comment on this topic?

Why does Moderator allow writing about pictures that TRF members can´t see on links in the Forums as we are used to? Why do You write here? This thred is NOT about pictures. It´s "Press Reports About Prince Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist.

 

[Boris]

Karisma, since you are repeatedly stating that you did not see yourself the kind of nude pictures Sofia Hellqvist posed for, but keep writing about them regardless and even start a discussion about what's art and what's not, perhaps it would be rather helpful if you formed your opinion by looking at them?

(edit JessRulz - remove link)

 

[Karisma]

Art? Those photos are not artistic at all, they`re soft porn. If you didn`t see them, why do you comment on this topic?

In Sweden it is now an exhibition at the photography museum in Stockholm. It is much talked about, because it shows naked and half naked men, their genitals and images is very contrived. Art experts are not unanimous about the exhibition. But most people consider it an art exhibition. Is not it true that the images are pictures, but the eye of the beholder, they can be perceived as a creator is not intended?

Karisma, since you are repeatedly stating that you did not see yourself the kind of nude pictures Sofia Hellqvist posed for, but keep writing about them regardless and even start a discussion about what's art and what's not, perhaps it would be rather helpful if you formed your opinion by looking at them?

I don´t like the pictures. Thank You for the link. But I still mean that it´s to soon to judge Sofia. Time will show.