The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > Royal House of Sweden > Current Events Archive

Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #861  
Old 10-07-2010, 07:17 AM
PetraHel's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
Posts: 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iva View Post
So why being so opposed to royalty dating/living with/marrying commoners? Not just speaking about Sofia, I don’t think it’s important to judge someone’s past and where is he coming from.
Past and background say a lot about person, so no wonder people are a bit unsettled in Sofia´s case. I think that no one has problem with her being commoner, but her past raises doubts about her being a good candidate for the demanding and representative role of a Princess. I think that if for example Radicova was a former gogo dancer, you wouldn´t be too eager to be represented by her.
__________________

__________________
  #862  
Old 10-07-2010, 07:35 AM
Iva's Avatar
Iva Iva is online now
Courtier
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: -, Slovakia
Posts: 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by PetraHel View Post
Past and background say a lot about person, so no wonder people are a bit unsettled in Sofia´s case. I think that no one has problem with her being commoner, but her past raises doubts about her being a good candidate for the demanding and representative role of a Princess. I think that if for example Radicova was a former gogo dancer, you wouldn´t be too eager to be represented by her.
Sometimes past and background can be really misleading see Madeleine's ex-fiancee. I don't think that many Swedes would like him to represent them. I think everyone deserves a chance to prove himslef/herself in present and not to be judged only by his/hers past.
__________________

__________________
  #863  
Old 10-07-2010, 08:07 AM
PetraHel's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
Posts: 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iva View Post
Sometimes past and background can be really misleading see Madeleine's ex-fiancee. I don't think that many Swedes would like him to represent them. I think everyone deserves a chance to prove himslef/herself in present and not to be judged only by his/hers past.
This very generous approach sometimes fails, though. I don´t think it is meaningful to expect miracles from someone, who was so far able to make her living by trashy reality shows and semi-nude pictures only. She can dress into designer´s clothes, put on a tiara and make some picture with African children for press to look like a Princess, but it is not enough for me, sorry. It would just decrease the standard and cheapen the royal family and monarchy generally. I hope the Prince knows it as well.
__________________
  #864  
Old 10-07-2010, 10:20 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 318
May I point out that some monarchies (especially in Europe) are democracies? They are not exclusive terms. Indeed, some of the European monarchies are more democratic than some republics. The founders of the USA, for example, wanted a republic to prevent a democracy!
__________________
  #865  
Old 10-07-2010, 12:15 PM
KitKat2006's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Oldenburg, Germany
Posts: 488


I second every single word you wrote, Iva. I couldn't have put it any better.
__________________
  #866  
Old 10-07-2010, 01:25 PM
doric44's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: toronto, Canada
Posts: 147
republics represent the individual the power is in the individual citizen not the state.
democracy represents group power the majority over the minority citizen group only has the freedom the majority grant them .
and whats so good about democracy some of the biggest dictators of history have risen through being democratically elected .

republics are much better for individual freedoms because the state cannot impose freedom or the limits to your freedom in a pure democracy if 51 % want it a certian way they win and the 49% dont get a choice . in a repubic the minority view has as much freedom and protection as the majority view

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harold View Post
May I point out that some monarchies (especially in Europe) are democracies? They are not exclusive terms. Indeed, some of the European monarchies are more democratic than some republics. The founders of the USA, for example, wanted a republic to prevent a democracy!
__________________
  #867  
Old 10-07-2010, 03:18 PM
Stefan's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Esslingen, Germany
Posts: 2,314
[QUOTE=KitKat2006;1144716]
And yes, the German tabloids do follow the German royals too, but not as much as the foreign royals. The foreign ones are known better by the people, because they're in TV, newspapers, etc more often than the German royals. Maybe this is because the royal status isn't officially a status in Germany anymore, which means that their titles are just an add-on to their names nowadays and nothing more (as I'm sure you're aware of). German royals are royals without any right to exist contrary to those royals of the other European countries where the concept of "Royalty" still exists. That's why they're more interesting to the people in Germany./[QUOTE]

In the 80's and 90's there was much more coverage of the german royals and nobles. There was a magazine (I think Frau im Spiegel) who covered almost every german noble Wedding. Nowadays you don't find much pics of such Evetns in the german magazines. But i think it's also that most of the german royal and noble Families aren't not much interested to come into the newspapers.
__________________
Stefan

Royal Travel and Events

  #868  
Old 10-07-2010, 06:52 PM
nascarlucy's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central Florida Area, United States
Posts: 1,329
I've read many books about various royalty throughout the world. The world of Cinderella and Snow White doesn't really exist. These are fairytales because I think if people read some of these books, they would be very very disappointed at the behavior of some of these individuals.

Imagine what the response would be if a King, male heir to a throne, a male royal fathered 12-15 children with several different women and then used some taxpayer money to pay for these children. Or if these same individuals use tax payer money to support their girlfriend or mistress. Outrage and most likely the King would be dethroned and the monarchy would be ended in that country. King Charles II of England did such a thing, much of it taxpayer dollar. If the average person at the time knew about this, they would have rose up against him but the average person didn't know these things. People that knew about this wouldn't say anything because at that time period the last thing one would want to do is upset the King who had the power to end your life or make it very very miserable.

I can not even begin to imagine what the reaction of the public would be if any female royal had several children with different fathers or who openly said she had no idea who the father of her children were. If taxpayers had to pay for this, the outrage over this probably would be more than if her male counterpart did this. You find all kinds of royal males all over the world who have done this over the centuries but I would imagine that you would be very very hard pressed to find a female royal who engaged in this type of behavior as she would be harshly punished for it.

I noticed that the harshest critics or royal families are people who don't reside in those countries. That I've noticed. Some of the critcism is justified and some of it's not.
__________________
  #869  
Old 10-07-2010, 08:04 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: somwhere in the middle, United States
Posts: 142
It is too early to tell, whether she is good or not. Let's wait and see.
__________________
  #870  
Old 10-07-2010, 09:33 PM
nascarlucy's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central Florida Area, United States
Posts: 1,329
Whenever I hear the word "questionable past" and read these blogs, my definition of it must be different than others. I don't consider divorce or having an out of wedlock child as questionable because these things occur in every family. Some people may have to dig to find this, but it's there. Not everyone who gets a divorce or has a child out of wedlock is bad or questionable.

When I think of someone of a questionable past, I think of a person who repeatedly gets into trouble, or someone who engages in shady business deals or has ripped someone off. Someone who lies or is deceitful or trying to hid something is of questionable behavior. Someone whose been unfaithful would also fit into this category. Someone who uses another person for their own gain fits into this category.
__________________
  #871  
Old 10-08-2010, 10:50 AM
Bine221's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 944
Somehow agree with you, she did not kill someone or made a bank robbery.

But: we are talking about a person, having a relationship with a "public figure" and a member of a RF, who should lead with good example (somehow ). That´s why they are doping Charity, supporting the local economics and a lot of other good works.

Now there is coming a girl, who has a pretty face and an excellent waistline and nearly everybody sees, HOW excellent her waistline is, because there is nearly nothing more left to hide. Remembers me of Koo Stark, the "porn girl" from Prince Andrew..... in total everything but not ideal.

On the other hand Mette Marit´s past wasn´t ideal too, or Letizias, and now they are excellent (even Crown-)Princesses of their respective countries.

BYe Bine
__________________
  #872  
Old 10-08-2010, 05:44 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 191
i used to not like this girl but now i find that isnt really a reason for me to...i dont know her therefore i cannot judge her...i just didnt find her suitable for CP because i admit i was holding on to the dream up marrying him along with my other delusions...i just hope that she is good for him and if not...i hope that he can see that for himself before it is too late.
__________________
  #873  
Old 10-08-2010, 06:22 PM
nascarlucy's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central Florida Area, United States
Posts: 1,329
Pictures often speak volumes. Many of the pictures that I've seen on this blog on Sofia, it's always that she takes center stage. It's like "Here I am, Look at me."

Let's say that Prince Carl and Sofia married and had a couple of children. Let's say that she changed her ways and is now a more settled person. Let's say all is forgiven. Those pictures she took in her younger days will come back to haunt her. How many times have your heard about celebs or others in their wild days who wish they could erase their past? Difficult to do with pictures especially in the digital age would be difficult to completely erase.

I don't have any children but if I did, I would not want them to see these pictures. Usually women think this through after they married, settled down or had children.
__________________
  #874  
Old 10-09-2010, 02:30 AM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 4,426
There are commoners...and then there are COMMON commoners. Everyone here knows the difference....or at least should.

I have no problem with Royals marrying the from the former category and most of us agree...Grace Kelly was from that group and Claire of Belgium comes to mind as well. Superb.

It's the latter type of commoner that I object to...and I have yet for anyone in this debate to provide an example of how such a person could benefit the monarchy in the long run.
__________________
  #875  
Old 10-09-2010, 05:58 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Lafayette, United States
Posts: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 View Post
There are commoners...and then there are COMMON commoners. Everyone here knows the difference....or at least should.

I have no problem with Royals marrying the from the former category and most of us agree...Grace Kelly was from that group and Claire of Belgium comes to mind as well. Superb.

It's the latter type of commoner that I object to...and I have yet for anyone in this debate to provide an example of how such a person could benefit the monarchy in the long run.
Well said, Moonmaiden23. By the same token there are also COMMON royals whose behavior is, at the very least, an embarassment to their families if not a threat to the monarchy (although it can all add up over time).
__________________
  #876  
Old 10-09-2010, 02:14 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 4,426
Rascal, how correct you are about the "common" Royals...we don't need to name names do we?

Both types..common commoners and common Royals have one thing they share....they are COMMON, and not worthy to wear a crown and represent an ancient family or nation, imo.
__________________
  #877  
Old 10-09-2010, 04:44 PM
CrownPrincess5's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Beverly Hills, California, United States
Posts: 2,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 View Post
There are commoners...and then there are COMMON commoners. Everyone here knows the difference....or at least should.

I have no problem with Royals marrying the from the former category and most of us agree...Grace Kelly was from that group and Claire of Belgium comes to mind as well. Superb.

It's the latter type of commoner that I object to...and I have yet for anyone in this debate to provide an example of how such a person could benefit the monarchy in the long run.
Exactly! I totally agree with you.

I'm constantly reading post about how people should not judge others by their past, but that's life and that's exactly what will happen when someone chooses to date a royal. After all, I believe if someone wishes to join the royal family the people have a right to know their background...however bad it may be.
__________________
  #878  
Old 10-09-2010, 04:46 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Lafayette, United States
Posts: 500
Agreed, Moonmaiden23. However, without all the "common" royals, we would not have scandalous fodder for our discussions...LOL!
__________________
  #879  
Old 10-09-2010, 07:08 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Somewhere in Germany, Germany
Posts: 745
Well, with accepting a single-mother (and I´m a single mother myself!) and a divorcee f.i. we lowered the niveau even more. I wonder how long it may last until we accept a royal partner who was imprisoned by saying that he/she served his/her punishment and therefore everything is forgotten.
I believe that there a certain women where it´s considered "art" to get photographed naked (f.i. Carla Bruni). But I don´t believe that Sofia already belongs to that kind of women. Haakon and Felipe knew of course that the law gives them the right to marry women like Mette/Letizia. And so they did. I hate my German TV-channel any time they call those relationships ..."they arrived in the 21st century"....by calling those relationships "up to date".
If my daughter would bring a man who was imprisoned and the punishment is over I was still not amused and would advise her not to marry such a person. That´s my definition of ethics - FULL STOP.
The same with being a single mother. I wouldn´t advise my daughter to do the same as I did - I still find it better to live in a marriage and have children.
To come to an end: It IMO sheds a light on CP´s character if he likes women like Sofia....
__________________
  #880  
Old 10-10-2010, 12:30 PM
LadyFinn's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Turku, Finland
Posts: 14,893
Expressen speculates about the obstacles between Carl Philip and Sofia. Sofia working for Project Playground and Carl Philip could be sent on a short notice to Afghanistan because he has accepted serving at the military abroad.
Carl Philip och Sofia tvingas till ett liv isär - Extra - Expressen Extra
__________________

__________________
Closed Thread

Tags
prince carl philip, relationship, relationships


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 2: April 2012 - June 2014 Marengo Current Events Archive 2016 06-27-2014 11:18 AM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince felipe crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta cristina infanta elena jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg olympic games ottoman pom prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince laurent prince pieter-christiaan princess princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess claire princess eleonore princess elisabeth princess haya princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess marie princess mary princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia spain state visit wedding william


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:59 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]