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Old 09-25-2010, 07:15 PM
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Well said Rascal!

It´s odd
Agree with Rascal too.
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:19 PM
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The attention was focused on her, not the children. That's how she wanted it by the way she posed for the picture.
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Old 09-26-2010, 01:02 AM
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Yes, but it is so obvious.... she poses for a "so called" Charity Project because she needs "positive press" after all her other (scandalous) pictures.... But: after looking at this pic I do not believe one millisecond in the "truth" of it -- with the intend of "real help" rather than trying to get some positive media coverage to apply for a potential future princess role.... .

Sorry for being nasty in this case, this is just my personal opinion while looking at the pic. Agree with Rascal, too....
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:01 AM
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Prior to meeting and becoming involved with CP, had she ever done any charity work or done any volunteer work in regards to helping children? The answer to that is probably no. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:21 AM
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Prior to meeting and becoming involved with CP, had she ever done any charity work or done any volunteer work in regards to helping children? The answer to that is probably no. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
You are correct. Her own website to highlight her charity work was set up in August of 2009-- after she had met the Prince.
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:31 AM
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Of course...she wants to clean up her image, so she starts doing charity work...
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:54 AM
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That's strange, everyone discuss' on the William and Kate thread wish that Kate would do more work, charity work or something where she had a focus.
Yet when Sofia tries to do charity work, we don't know for certain her reason, people get annoyed at her.
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Old 09-26-2010, 12:20 PM
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That's strange, everyone discuss' on the William and Kate thread wish that Kate would do more work, charity work or something where she had a focus.
Yet when Sofia tries to do charity work, we don't know for certain her reason, people get annoyed at her.
I haven't read the W&K thread much, Lumutqueen, but I would have to agree with you about the criticisms of Kate. As far as the disparity of criticism to Kate vs. Sofia, I think it has several issues around it:

1. Even though it has gone on this long and the "will-they-or-won't-they" discussion is incessant, I think most people assume at this point that Kate and William will be getting married....it's spoken about as if it is inevitable. Whereas the discussion of Carl-Philip and Sofia assumes it won't.

2. W&K have been together for a LOOOONNNGG time. Yes, they lived together in college where they met, but as roommates with others sharing a house for an extensive time before their relationship developed. CP&S haven't even been together for an entire year (I think?) and are displaying affection in public (a no-no for most royals, but I don't care) and now moving in together much sooner than CP did with Emma.

3. Yes, Kate modeled in that one campus show where the dress was see-through, and her underwear/swimsuit could clearly be seen. But the photo from that is a FAR cry from the salacious, provocative, borderline pornographic images of Sofia (maybe more to do with the photographer/stylist on the shoot, but Sofia seems very at home in next-to-nothing in a pose that suggests "available" (and that's being nice). In fact, of the two, Sofia lists "model" on her resume but Kate is the only one of them who has done anything that resembles actual fashion modeling.

4. If Kate were to do any charity work, I believe most people would think it genuine and sincere. Even after all this time and with the amount of photographers following her, she doesn't exude that "look at me" or "I want to be famous" vibe. Even if that is her goal, she tends to stay away from seeking publicity. Sofia on the other hand has stated publicly that she wants to be famous and participates in activities to achieve that end. Her charity work, I believe, is viewed overall as empty, insincere, and a means to an end (landing a title...she already landed the prince).
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Old 09-26-2010, 01:50 PM
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Kate is well educated and did nothing really serious since the graduation. She looks like the appendix of William, and that bothers me.
I don´t think she is not suitable or stupid, but her behave

Sofia is yuck! Okay, we saw not so good photos of Kate when she goes out of the car. But that is a faux pas, which is not that fatal.
But Sofia.... Did you see the photos of her, where you can see her lady zone?
Just blurry (I think that was the intention), but


That´s not an offense to you Lumutqueen, it´s good to make this question.
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Old 09-26-2010, 06:33 PM
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I am one of 'those' people who wishes that Kate would do something. She's a bright, young woman and it seems to me like she's wasting her time and life waiting for Prince Charming to hand her an engagement ring.

It's almost certain that she will be William's wife and therefore, most likely, Queen of England one day. If she's not going to work, then, of course, it would be nice to see her start figuring out which charities she would like to devote her time to, since she will most likely be asked, as William's wife, to suppport a variety of causes. Or, she could get a job.

Sofia, on the other hand. Sofia seems to be using her charitable nature as a way to get people to forget about the reality t.v. show and snake photos. Her reasons don't seem altruistic; they seem individualistic.

If she was really interested in sports for children, then she could have volunteered with Right To Play. It's a well known, international charity that brings sports to children in developing countries. Right To Play, unfortunately, doesn't usually have photographers following the volunteers around.

I would have thought more of her if she'd been shown going to work or going to university, rather than jetting off to Africa, photographer in toe, to show how charitable she is.

(Honestly, I think we've been spoiled by Letizia, Masako, Maxima, Mette-Marit, Mary, Marie, Mathilde, and Daniel: they all did something with their time before becoming royalty. They worked, they didn't sit around hoping for an engagement. I think we're all expecting future spouses to do the same- I know I am.)



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That's strange, everyone discuss' on the William and Kate thread wish that Kate would do more work, charity work or something where she had a focus.
Yet when Sofia tries to do charity work, we don't know for certain her reason, people get annoyed at her.
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:05 PM
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They will wait and wait for that ring to be put on their finger. I doubt that these women would issue an ultimatum to their man as he has the upper hand in this. I imagine in a couple of years Kate will have the ring on her finger. For her sake, I hope so because I think she will make a good partner for Prince William.

As for Sofia, her wait might be a long time. I doubt that she would be sitting there 8 years later, waiting for her ring. I don't think she has that type of patience. CP would be foolish to jump into marriage with someone he's known just a little over a year.
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:07 PM
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Typically, how long do the Swedish royals date before marrying? Or is it possible to even figure that out as they all have non typical relationships (i.e. Carl/Silvia, Victoria/Daniel, Lillian/Betril).
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:16 PM
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Seems like a long time. King Carl and Queen Silvia dated for several years as did Victoria/Daniel and before their breakup Princess Madelaine and Jonas. I don't know if this is typical of the Swedish population in general or if this just happened to be how these relationships worked out. Would be interesting to find out.

I was told by a woman who grew up in Sweden that people don't usually jump into marriages quickly like they sometimes do here in the United States. Places like Las Vegas where one can get married quickly doesn't exist in Sweden. The pressure to marry quickly is not as strong as it is in the United States. Even now if you are over a certain age (now it's like early 30's) and you aren't married, people start to judge you.
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Old 09-26-2010, 08:14 PM
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Well I think the "commoner" status of Silvia and Lillian led to some delay in the marriage (much like Sonja in Norway). Let's not forget that the King's uncles pretty did a Simpson (gave up their rights in the Line of Succession by marrying those deemed not worthy). Hence the reason for Betril waiting to marry Lillian. The commoner issue wasn't so much a big deal with Daniel (kind of a been there done that) somuch as his occupation IMO.

I asked to see what the chances of Carl Phillip and Sofia moving in together and marrying fairly quickly.
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:03 AM
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Well, Haakon and Mette-Marit moved in together and got married pretty quickly. Though I think most of the Swedish royals have long relationships (anyone know how long CP and Emma were dating before they moved in together?). That's not to say, of course that CP is going to follow some sort of established 'pattern'.
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Honestly, I don't think it's fair to compare Ema and Carl Philip moving in together to Sofia and Carl Philip moving in together.

With Emma he was way younger than now, moving in together was a first-time for them both. It was new, it was exciting and it was a big move on the way to live your own life. It's only natural that it took those two way longer to move in together.

With Sofia on the other hand it's a completely different situation. He knows how it is to live together with someone. It's not new to him and maybe he kind of missed the fact that his girlfriend lives with him. He's 31 years old. It's only natural to live with the woman you love in that age. So to me it's not surprising that they moved in together. It's just how life works.

And in case of Sofia and her apparently questionable charity-activity I think, it's way better to do SOMETHING than to do NOTHING AT ALL. Sofia does show she can work hard for something she wants (even if it's just to fool CP into a marriage, which I personally don't think) and thus shows purposefulness and endurance, whereas Kate (with a more than adequate education) is doing nothing else but sitting around and waiting or train to make a good appearance beside Wills. For that you don't need to go to university. For smiling and keeping your mouth shut you don't need a university degree.
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Well I think the "commoner" status of Silvia and Lillian led to some delay in the marriage (much like Sonja in Norway). Let's not forget that the King's uncles pretty did a Simpson (gave up their rights in the Line of Succession by marrying those deemed not worthy). Hence the reason for Betril waiting to marry Lillian. The commoner issue wasn't so much a big deal with Daniel (kind of a been there done that) somuch as his occupation IMO.

I asked to see what the chances of Carl Phillip and Sofia moving in together and marrying fairly quickly.
The commoner status of Silvia had nothing to do with the length of her relationship with Carl Gustav. Silvia was on the organising committee of the 1976 Winter Olympic games and although she had accepted CG's proposal asked that it be kept secret until after the games as she wanted to fulfill her role in those games. Their engagement was made public in March after the games ended.

Lilian's relationship with Bertil was a long one as had he married a commoner like his brothers did he would loose his place in the succession and since his father was elderly there was a great chance that he would be called to be regent for his young nephew. As it was the elderly king lived to be 90 and CG reached his majority. Bertil and Lilian lived together from 1947 (when Lilian moved to Sweden) to 1976 when CG approved their marriage, Bertil didn't loose his position in the succession and Lilian was made a princess.

The Swedes tend to go in for long relationships. Victoria and Daniel were together nearly 10 years before they married, not because the king objected to Daniel but because as he said himself he needed the time and there were other things he wanted to achieve.

Madeleine and Jonas were together for 8 years and lived together for much of that time.

GC's sister Christina met her husband Tord Magnusson in 1961 and finally married him in 1974. (Being a commoner wasn't an issue as her older sister married a commoner)

As already mention, Carl Philip and Emma Pernold were together for 9 years and lived together for several years.
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And in case of Sofia and her apparently questionable charity-activity I think, it's way better to do SOMETHING than to do NOTHING AT ALL.
I completely agree with you, KitKat2006. It seems like the Brits "tolerate" Kate's lack of career/work, even if they criticize it. Something tells me Sofia knows that if she behaved the same way as Kate - fair or not, she would be overwhelmingly criticized and reviled as a gold-digger, trashy, and worse. That's exactly why I find her "charity work" questionable. In this day and age, no one over the age of 14 is unaware that there are consequences for their choices, statements, and behavior that affect the rest of their lives. Many young people are naive and choose to ignore the potential impact of those consequences, but that just shows a lack of intelligence and/or a questionable character. Sofia's questionable behaviors didn't even stop after she met and started dating CP. Something happened after they started dating that opened her eyes to the fact that not only didn't she fit the "princess" role, but she in most cases wouldn't have any potential mother-in-law jumping for joy that her son was involved with such a woman.

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Sofia does show she can work hard for something she wants (even if it's just to fool CP into a marriage, which I personally don't think)
Yes, removing one's bikini top and covering your breasts with a reptile really takes it out of one, doesn't it?

As far as her motives, many of Sofia's critics provide extensive reasons/documentation/reactions to provide "evidence" as to why they feel she is insincere, publicity-seeking, and of questionable motives. As you don't think she is just trying to fool CP into a marriage, I am curious as what you base that on. What has Sofia done that makes you believe so strongly in her character and motives? (Not trying to argue...just curious.)

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For smiling and keeping your mouth shut you don't need a university degree.
Of course, Sofia hasn't mastered the art of keeping her mouth shut. Quite the contrary, as she has bragged about her relationship with CP, publicly stated that she wants to be famous, and as suggested before, rather than contributing to a 15-year established organization that doesn't have camera crews following their every move, she suddenly is involved in a charity and has "contributed" by appearing in two "media events". For all the media-whore accusations Diana was guilty of, she recognized that power of her persona and used that selflessly and, IMHO, sincerely to benefit her patronages.
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Could the reason the relationships were so long of Madeline/Jonas and Carl Philip and Emma Pernold .
Be that they were both waiting for Victoria to get married as protocol not getting married before their sister?
And with Victoria and Daniel waiting so long to get married they had to wait.
I wonder if that impediment was not in place if madeleine would have married jonas a couple years ago same with Carl Phillip with Emma then this whole Sofia buisness would not have been an issue ? .
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I don't think siblings have to marry in order. It would be a problem for continuation of the monarchy if in the case of the oldest sibling never marrying, the younger siblings never marry.
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