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Old 08-02-2010, 08:18 AM
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The fitness instructor I could handle - at least he was making an honest living for himself. But the divorcees, single mothers, drug addicts, and pin up girls is just ridiculous.
In Scandinavia about 50% get divorced and many many children are born out of wedlock. So this is no exotic lifestyle, but reality for many. I donīt see, why you put this on one step with drug addicts (BTW Mette Marit was IMO hardly a drug addict)
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:08 AM
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I've read several page of this log. I think it's unrealistic to expect royalty to live perfect lives. This is what some people seem to expect. In recent times, many royal housholds fall very short of that but the only reason being is many things which were never made public 50 years ago are now out in the open.

Kings and other royals over the centuries fathered many children out of wedlock. They weren't judged morally (their partners of course were). No one questioned their leadership abilities or fitness to rule because of this. In a few cases, 10, 12 or more children were fathered by these royals. Many of these children were supported by the taxpayers of the country where they resided. Over the centuries you can't tell me that royals didn't associate with women who in their day were of "questionable moral character."

CP Carl Phillip should be left alone. He's an adult who can make his own decisions one way or another.
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:31 AM
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"Left alone??" To do what? Squander his heritage and stain his family name at taxpayer expense?

I don't expect these people to live perfect lives. I do expect them to realize how incredibly fortunate they are by sheer luck and to provide as good an example as possible by representing their dynasties and their families with pride.

How hard is it to meet and date someone without a sordid background when you are one of the most handsome and privileged young men on the planet?

I agree with Duke of Marmalade...if the current self absorption and short sighted choices of some of the younger Royals continues unchecked, the grim consequences to their dynasties are going to be felt sooner rather later.

I asked once and I will again...where do these Royal families draw the line? Where do some of you? Is anyone-no matter how sleazy-okay to date and marry??

If so...WHAT IS THE POINT OF ROYALTY?
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:13 AM
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If so...WHAT IS THE POINT OF ROYALTY?
To be there.
From the craddle to the coffin.
To enjoy moments of success and joy (like e.g. the Fifa Cup for the Spanish team) or to share them (weddings, births), but most of all to be there in moments of sorrow (as the Swedish king after the Tsunami at the end of 2004)
A Monarch and his family serve the country.

Thatīs why I donīt mind the nudity pics really (though there are surely classier ones), but I have my doubts, if someone like Sofia can understand, that Monarchy isnīt her stage, but an obligation.
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Old 08-02-2010, 12:05 PM
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"Left alone??" To do what? Squander his heritage and stain his family name at taxpayer expense?
What heritage? He's an heir of an adopted frenchman who was made crownprince of sweden by sheer luck. The Bernadottes aren't more royal than my family. His blue blood comes from outside of the Bernadotte-Family. His grandmother Sybilla (KGs mother) for example. And I know for sure, that woman was never truly happy with her marriage that was by no means below her class. She never really felt at home in Sweden and the people in Sweden knew and felt it.

So I ask you what's worse if it ever goes that far: A commoner becoming a happy princess or a foreign princess become a unhappy princess? What's the better choice for the prince in question? What's the better choice for the country, the people? Do you really want to have him unhappy and in a bad marriage just because the bride fits on paper? I know the answer, but do you or anyone else here know it?

We've seen how a so-called perfect marriage can end in the U.K. I personally don't want to have the Charles-Diana-Camilla-Drama rewritten in Sweden.

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I also don't understand this "21st century" excuse. The whole point of royalty is to continue and follow traditions from the past no matter what century we live in. If they aren't going to do that, why have royalty anymore?
Holding on to traditions doesn't mean said traditions have to stay unchanged forever and ever. Traditions can be modernized and adapted to suit the present way of live. It's all about balance and finding the right comprises. Something all the european monarchies do quiet well, I think. And I definitely don't think Sofia would in any way outbalance the present way of living royal traditions.

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I wonder if Sofia looks on here and thinks she made a wrong decision.

I do hope that Sofia is the right girl for CP, Princess Sofia sounds wonderful.
I hope she doesn't look on here, but of she does, I really hope she doesn't care what's been written here. Because in my eyes most of it is ridiculous and pure nonsense. No-one can live a fairytale life. Not even royals and their partners. Because this is the real life and no fairytale. Most people kind of forget that every so often.

And yes, Princess Sofia does sound wonderful. A lot nicer than Princess Emma to be honest, which sounds kind if ... I don't know ... kind of ordinary. Do you know what I mean? I really liked Emma. She was a nice girl with a very charming smile, but her name doesn't ring in the way Sofias does. And if there's a Queen Sofia and an Infanta Sofia in the picture why shouldn't there be a Princess Sofia, too? Maybe that's what Carl Philip thought, too, when he met her. *lol*
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:22 PM
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I completely agree with Duke and Zonk.

They have a relationship now, but I don't think CP will actually marry her. I hope he's thinking about the consequences of dating her.. It doesn't matter if she posed nude 20 years ago...the fact remains that she "chose" to pose nude. People don't understand what being a leader or royal entails. People in CPs position have to make good decisions and sacrifices. CPs decision on this matter could certainly make, break, and cheapen the monarchy.
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:30 PM
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The forbidden fruit element is one factor in why some male royals seek these women out. In other cases, the women make themselves available. It seems like the more the public, their families and others oppose these relationships and the louder the opposition to them, the more they seem determined to stay in the relationship. Perhaps they are tired of being told what to do all the time.
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Old 08-02-2010, 02:44 PM
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Racing cars, photography, designing things are some of Carl Phillip's interests. This doesn't sound to me like a man who is lazy. He seems to have a wide range of interests and pursues them, hardly a sign of being lazy. I don't understand why people criticize him for pursuing these interests.

Racing car driving is not a hobby, it's a sport. You have to have skill before going out and racing in a race. It's not a sport for the faint hearted. You couldn't be fearful, otherwise, you couldn't do it. In any racing association, winning a race is something that's not very easy to do. If anyone thinks it is, go to any race track in the world and try to race it yourself.
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Old 08-02-2010, 04:16 PM
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I am all for love and all that. ....but I hope he seriously thinks about what he is doing.
yeah i hope he isnt wearing rose-colored glasses...i dont want him to be screwed in the end...and i hope sofia isnt thinking of the glits and the glam....because doesnt he want to be a farmer?
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:24 PM
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Racing cars, photography, designing things are some of Carl Phillip's interests. This doesn't sound to me like a man who is lazy. He seems to have a wide range of interests and pursues them, hardly a sign of being lazy. I don't understand why people criticize him for pursuing these interests.

Racing car driving is not a hobby, it's a sport. You have to have skill before going out and racing in a race. It's not a sport for the faint hearted. You couldn't be fearful, otherwise, you couldn't do it. In any racing association, winning a race is something that's not very easy to do. If anyone thinks it is, go to any race track in the world and try to race it yourself.
Racing cars is not easy at all. Even the best of the best have a hard time with it. But I think a lot of the posters are saying that he should be doing more with his life...like an actual job or something. Unlike Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhart...I doubt CPs making car racing his profession. I think he said it himself that he likes it for the fun of it. Nothings wrong with racing cars, photography, but sometimes it seems as if he has no direction, but he wants a hand in everything.
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Old 08-02-2010, 06:28 PM
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The forbidden fruit element is one factor in why some male royals seek these women out. In other cases, the women make themselves available. It seems like the more the public, their families and others oppose these relationships and the louder the opposition to them, the more they seem determined to stay in the relationship. Perhaps they are tired of being told what to do all the time.
In the case of the lovely Sofia, she is reported to have ascertained which nightclubs PCP liked to frequent and then hung out there, like any common groupie would do.

Then she bragged about it on her Facebook page...yes this gal is a class act all right..you betcha.
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:29 AM
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Apparently for some people it is impossible to discuss the relationship between prince Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist without starting a fight with other posters. For that reason this thread had to be cleaned up and various posters see (parts of) their posts deleted.

Although the Swedish moderating team understands that a former nude model dating a prince can not count on too much sympathy from our posters (and many others), it should be possible to discuss this matter without insulting each other and without portaying Sofia as either Lucifers daughter or as the Holy mother.

This has been the umptieth warning within a short period, so anybody who will continue the above bickering will see their post deleted immidiately and will be getting an official warning which eventually leads to a suspention/ban. Enough is enough.
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:39 PM
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A video of Sofia Hellqvist working as a yoga instructor
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:56 PM
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A video of Sofia Hellqvist working as a yoga instructor
I didn't see something especial on her yoga lesson! Even there she was working for camera!
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if people can embrace and ignore the fact that France first lady pose nude and the future first lady of Monaco is high school drop out and the the soon to be queen of Norway was a single mother why not do the same for Sofia. she is on the same boat as the rest. if we are all going to worship and support this women why not Sofia.gesh
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:20 PM
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There is a difference between a first lady and a royal, obviously. You can get rid of the first lady easily, but not of the royal. The first ladys offspring will be normal citizens, the royals children not. If there is no difference, why bother with royals at all? There is a difference between a high school drop out or a single mother and a nude model. At least to me there is.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:41 PM
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Mmmm... i only see her looking at the camera
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:04 PM
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if people can embrace and ignore the fact that France first lady pose nude and the future first lady of Monaco is high school drop out and the the soon to be queen of Norway was a single mother why not do the same for Sofia. she is on the same boat as the rest. if we are all going to worship and support this women why not Sofia.gesh
At 14 Sofia was participating in a talent competition.

In High School she was doing commercials.

After High School she was doing photos for Slitz

Later she was participating in Paradise Hotel

Then she was moving to the US, where she was working as yoga teacher, but also as club promoter, so she met the rich and famous (Trump, Schenkenberg)

And she was kissing a porn star in Las Vegas and was telling about her experience in a Swedish tabloid.

She was going back to Sweden and was joining a club named "Barbroīs Best and Brightest"

She was travelling to Ghana and was creating a blog about her experiences

Then she was already dating the Prince. Lately she was reading a course on UN children rights.

In an interview to a local newspaper Sofia was saying once, that she always wanted to become something big. A model, a singer or a dancer.
A little girlīs dream? Maybe. But so far each of her career moves seemed to have the same goal.

And IMO you canīt compare a presidentīs wife with a princess either.
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:53 PM
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At 14 Sofia was participating in a talent competition.

In High School she was doing commercials.

After High School she was doing photos for Slitz

Later she was participating in Paradise Hotel

Then she was moving to the US, where she was working as yoga teacher, but also as club promoter, so she met the rich and famous (Trump, Schenkenberg)

And she was kissing a porn star in Las Vegas and was telling about her experience in a Swedish tabloid.

She was going back to Sweden and was joining a club named "Barbroīs Best and Brightest"

She was travelling to Ghana and was creating a blog about her experiences

Then she was already dating the Prince. Lately she was reading a course on UN children rights.

In an interview to a local newspaper Sofia was saying once, that she always wanted to become something big. A model, a singer or a dancer.
A little girlīs dream? Maybe. But so far each of her career moves seemed to have the same goal.

And IMO you canīt compare a presidentīs wife with a princess either.
If that sentence and all the facts you just listed don't open people's eyes, then I don't know what will.
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This is off-topic, but, doesn't Sofia reminds you of actress Kaya Scodelario?
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