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Old 07-27-2010, 07:06 AM
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Why and how did the rumor begin that PCP is gay? Have there been interviews, photos, etc published as "proof?"

Maybe some Swedish or other European posters could help us here...?
No, as far as I know the only substance is:
1) Unconfimred rumors from the boarding school he vent to
2) Gay men where\is attracted to him (placed very high when they vote for the sexiest man in Sweden from a gay percpective)
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Old 07-27-2010, 08:14 AM
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Hi I am new to this forum and I think that the Swedish prince comes off as inmature and spoiled. I mean, he's 31 years old for crying out loud and everytime I read any Swedish paper he is partying; oh and sometimes studying. His new girlfriend is to me, an opportunist and if he does marry her and not renounce his title then I hope the Swedish people stand up and do something about it!
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Old 07-27-2010, 08:34 AM
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Well if the court recognises the relationship that's serious enough for me.
True. And this would be so unfair to Daniel, who was struggling all these years to prove he's not a monster...
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Old 07-27-2010, 08:56 AM
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Very sad. The past Swedish royals must be turning in their graves at what a joke the current monarchy has become. It's so sad because I miss the days of classy royalty - it seems to be a thing of the past now. I would rather the monarchy just be abolished than to let it continue to slide into more and more of a joke. Royals with questionable behavior and/or friends need to get their act together or just relinquish their titles.
Who would turn? Gustav V?
In the past Royals had their dirty habits too, but the press wasnīt covering them and they had politicial influence.
These days Royals are only measured by their family lives and by their approach to people.
They are permanent role models.
From the craddle to the coffin.
At the same time the press is following them everywhere, so are we.
I find it only natural, that this is breeding people, who rebel.

In Sweden it also plays in, that the king had such a sad childhood with little freedom.
E.g. he self wanted to race, but it got forbidden of course.
And with an very old Monarch, he had to get some turbo education and is so probably allowing his own children more "space"
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Old 07-27-2010, 01:01 PM
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If the court would have a "normal" head of the press department, Iīd agree.
LOL . Amen to that! The royal court should re-hire ETW - offer her any amount she wants! The press department have done such a bad job since she left - please bring her back
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Old 07-27-2010, 01:45 PM
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Then you can continue to be more royalist than the king and say that those pics are fine.
I repeat: if they thought those pics were ok they wouldn't have any problem about seeing them on the newspaper.
And the exploitation of those pics it's just normal. It would be too easy to make cash by selling the rights to exploit your (nude) image and then complain about it. Hope that Sweden is a press-free country!
I like being more royalist than a King, Thank You for that.
And I repeat: that IMO that doesn't necessarily mean that it could mean that they are upset that the pictures are being re-published for the sake of it. Yes Sofia now is more than likely going to regret having these pictures taken, but it's in her past.

Also, millions of woman have nude pictures taken of them every year for their husbands, boyfriends etc. And there is nothing wrong with that. We have no idea why Sofia had the pictures taken, but like I said I doubt she could predict that it would be held against her when she dated a Prince in the future.
I see nothing wrong with these pictures, that's what Sofia wanted to do then, so that was her choice.
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:02 PM
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Hi I am new to this forum and I think that the Swedish prince comes off as inmature and spoiled. I mean, he's 31 years old for crying out loud and everytime I read any Swedish paper he is partying; oh and sometimes studying. His new girlfriend is to me, an opportunist and if he does marry her and not renounce his title then I hope the Swedish people stand up and do something about it!
We could always do the uprising the swedish way: Letters to the editor(insandare) in many swedish newspapers.

I have the feeling Carl-Philip have trouble deciding what way to take in the future. He might be a playboy for a few more years. He does ok in racing.
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Hi I am new to this forum and I think that the Swedish prince comes off as inmature and spoiled. I mean, he's 31 years old for crying out loud and everytime I read any Swedish paper he is partying; oh and sometimes studying. His new girlfriend is to me, an opportunist and if he does marry her and not renounce his title then I hope the Swedish people stand up and do something about it!

hi daisydukes...welcome to the Royal Forums! I think all of the children of Carl XVI Gustaf and Silvia give the impression of being spoiled-with the exception of Victoria, who I think is wonderful.

I even remember reading somewhere that the Queen did not stress the need for them to become multi-lingual when they were children because it might "confuse" them or something like that...how strange...I thought that was a basic educational requirement for Royal children, no?

It does make me wonder....

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"The donation accounts for the African children on her website turned out to be her own private bank accounts.That's ......fraud." idum

oh my God this is true?
There is nothing wrong with your English...why do you apologize? I wish my French was as good!

If this is true regarding her bank accounts...that would be dishonest at best and illegal at worst.
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Old 07-27-2010, 03:55 PM
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Or very stupid, when a total amateur starts their own charity...

I only know that there are persiting rumors of CP being gay. And I could very well immagine that they come from the gay community and are wishful thinking. After all he is a very handsome man and does not really appear very masculin in the sense of being someone ready to take on a responsible outlook to life and wanting a family.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:00 PM
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Or very stupid, when a total amateur starts their own charity...
Not trying to be smart, but I imagine that most charities start out this way. Sofia didn't make her own charity anyway, I'm pretty sure she simply volunteered for one.

In regards to the bank accounts, if the bank account numbers she posted are specifically for the charity, I don't see how that would be a problem. However, if one or both are her personal accounts, then that could be problematic.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:59 PM
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I agree, but the frolicking with Jenna Jameson bothers me more than the photos. Jenna Jameson is about as debauched as it gets here in the US!!

The House of Bernadotte does not need Sophia..and if Carl-Philip does not agree he should renounce his title and go out into the world and get a job where he has to figure out how to make ends meet like the rest of the common folk he is apparently striving so hard to emulate.

After ten years of the daily grind of juggling mortgage payments, medical bills, etc..he can glance over at his lovely Mrs Bernadotte and ask himself if it was all worth it.

Enough is ENOUGH.
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Yep, I'm in the US as well and Jenna Jameson is nothing but pure filth.

Here's the article where Sophia brags about it from her own mouth to Aftonbladet and how memorable it was :

"Paradise Hotel"-stjärnan Sofia Hellqvist kysstes med porrstjärnan | Dokusåpa | TV | Nöjesbladet | Aftonbladet

Sophia is pure trash.
Exactly. People don't understand how nasty Jenna Jameson is! Jenna has no respect for herself and I don't know anyone who respects her. Guys may wine and dine girls like her, but they're not the marrying, wife type.


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Also, pictures taken of them every year for their husbands, boyfriends etc. And there is nothing wrong with that. We have no idea why Sofia had the pictures taken, but like I said I doubt she could predict that it would be held against her when she dated a Prince in the future.
I see nothing wrong with these pictures, that's what Sofia wanted to do then, so that was her choice.
You're kidding right??
How in the world can nude pictures be okay?? There is a lot wrong with it. I respect your opinion, but saying saying nothing's wrong with the pictures is ridiculous. Obviously Sofia herself feels the same way. Posing nude is not an acceptable way of life. Girls who do those things usually have a terrible past You make it seem like posing nude is okay...like it's a normal thing. Tell me something, are you okay with prostitution? Well whether anyone likes it or not, showing your body to the world is like prostitution. A womans body is beautiful...of course and it should be secretive, in other words it's not for the whole world to see. If a man sees two women, one who posed nude and the other who has respect for herself....I guarantee that this guy will mess and play around with the girl who posed nude, but he'll marry the other girl. I have lots of guy friends, and brothers, who tell me that.

I don't like the fact that the world says whats bad is good and what's good is bad. I wonder how we got here.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:44 PM
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If they are upset over the publication of those pics it means they also think they are vulgar and show how little dignity Sofia has. All posters should now stop saying that those pics are normal and there is nothing bad about them, because even CP and Sofia renounced to defend them and are ashamed of them.
No, they are upset because they well know that people like you will use these pictures to do an assassination of Sofia's character.
And how right have they proven to be.

As a parallel, Carla Bruni was also upset about nude pictures of her being published by the British press ahead of her first state visit to Britain, because she is fully aware things she said or did as Miss Bruni are not appropriate for the First Lady of France. Yet she has repeated in every interviews she has given that while she doesn't like how the pictures are exploited, she is not ashamed of them or of anything she did in her past.
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Wow, It baffles me to see how some of the posters are saying the nude pics (porn pics mind you) are fine. That's ridiculous! Since when did posing nude become okay? It has never become okay because its not okay.
Your opinion, your standards. Millions of people think it's not acceptable to have sex before marriage and that women who do don't respect themselves and have no dignity. That doesn't make it universally accepted truth, thank god for that.
You think this is porn? A friendly advice: make sure you set your google search browser on 'safe' at all times.
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I agree, but the frolicking with Jenna Jameson bothers me more than the photos.
Eww! So agreed, what was Sofia thinking?
Jenna is repulsive and I would not approach her without an Hazmat suit.

Anyway, this thread has just become too unpleasant.
I don't understand the amount of hatred and vitriol for a girl who has committed no crimes aside from some foolish choices when younger and isn't even given a chance! The moral self-righteousness is utterly insufferable too.
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:46 PM
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Your opinion, your standards. Millions of people think it's not acceptable to have sex before marriage and that women who do don't respect themselves and have no dignity. That doesn't make it universally accepted truth, thank god for that.
You think this is porn? A friendly advice: make sure you set your google search browser on 'safe' at all times.

Anyway, this thread has just become too unpleasant.
I don't understand the amount of hatred and vitriol for a girl who has committed no crimes aside from some foolish choices when younger and isn't even given a chance! The moral self-righteousness is utterly insufferable too.
Sex before marriage is a whole other thing. There's a lot of reasons why it is better to wait for marriage, but that definitely doesn't mean people are waiting. The photos are porn...even if it's soft porn it's still porn. Thanks for the friendly advice.

Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute!! Speaking for myself, I do not hate her! Far from it. Hate is a big word to me and I don't think she derserves hatred. But her business is now in the open and that means people, including myself, will be commenting on it. Yes we all make foolish mistakes when young, but I don't know if Sofia is really all that sorry. How do we know she considers the photos, Jenna Jameson a mistake??

I don't think saying how you feel about something is being self-righteous. Saying that posing nude is wrong shouldn't make a person self righteous...it just says they have morals.
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Old 07-27-2010, 09:34 PM
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Hi I am new to this forum and I think that the Swedish prince comes off as inmature and spoiled. I mean, he's 31 years old for crying out loud and everytime I read any Swedish paper he is partying; oh and sometimes studying. His new girlfriend is to me, an opportunist and if he does marry her and not renounce his title then I hope the Swedish people stand up and do something about it!
Welcome! I totally agree with you and many others have this same opinion as well. At 31 years old it's time to grow up and do something productive with your life rather than spending it racing cars, clubbing, going on holiday, and whatever other nonsense. This taking a class here and there stuff isn't really cutting it.

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I don't understand the amount of hatred and vitriol for a girl who has committed no crimes aside from some foolish choices when younger and isn't even given a chance! The moral self-righteousness is utterly insufferable too.
Where did anybody say they hated her? People are just talking about reasons why they don't trust her and question her motives. It's not just the nude photos, but also her bragging to a newspaper about kissing a porn star, bragging on her Twitter late last year about dating CP, and the reality show to name a few examples. To many people, this seems like a woman who likes name-dropping and bragging and is an attention seeker. Swedish people have a right to not to want to have to support someone like that.

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Why and how did the rumor begin that PCP is gay? Have there been interviews, photos, etc published as "proof?"

Maybe some Swedish or other European posters could help us here...?
The rumor I heard is that apparently there was apparently once a questionable picture of CP and Swedish singer Peter JŲback, but I've never been able to find the picture on the internet, so I took the rumor with a grain of salt.
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Old 07-28-2010, 12:00 AM
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I do NOT hate Sophia. I do hate the idea of her as a member of the SRF.

The relaxing of standards among almost all of the European Royal Houses has set them on a slippery slope toward scorn and irrelevancy, in my opinion. Marrying someone you love is one thing...and marrying someone who does nothing to uphold the dignity of one's heritage and the mystique of the entire concept of Royalty is quite another.

I have a question for everyone who thinks we are being harsh and judgmental...where do YOU draw the line? Is a reformed prostitute or drug dealer okay...as long as they are "in love?" How about someone who once robbed banks, but has reformed?

Is being "in love" and reformed the only criteria that should be met for a potential Royal spouse?

I don't agree. And if that makes me "moralistic"...well...I DON'T CARE.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:31 AM
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I am not that surprised by Sofia pictures, knowing her past --from what I read at various royal boards. I see no excuse to nude pics, and yes, I think they are a big deal.
Carl Philip dating someone like Sofia, is it a new low for royals or it can be even worse? I think the worst would be if he actually marries her.
I just wonder if Carl Philip is looking just for amusement of some kind after dating for 10 years a classy woman like Emma. On the other hand this "amusement" with Sofia last about a year now...I hope it is not his rebellion, pleaase , the guy is over 30 y.o. now.
So, maybe it is just that after eating refined food, someone wants to try a fresh meat.
Time will tell...
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I do NOT hate Sophia. I do hate the idea of her as a member of the SRF.

The relaxing of standards among almost all of the European Royal Houses has set them on a slippery slope toward scorn and irrelevancy, in my opinion. Marrying someone you love is one thing...and marrying someone who does nothing to uphold the dignity of one's heritage and the mystique of the entire concept of Royalty is quite another.

I have a question for everyone who thinks we are being harsh and judgmental...where do YOU draw the line? Is a reformed prostitute or drug dealer okay...as long as they are "in love?" How about someone who once robbed banks, but has reformed?

Is being "in love" and reformed the only criteria that should be met for a potential Royal spouse?

I don't agree. And if that makes me "moralistic"...well...I DON'T CARE.
That's what I want to know. If traditions and rules are going to just keep getting thrown out the window, why even bother having royalty? I thought the whole point of royalty was to keep the history and traditions alive and represent the country in a positive way and give citizens something to look up to and admire. There's is not much admiral about what is going on these days, especially with the SRF.

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if the Swedish monarchy is abolished within 10 years.
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I do NOT hate Sophia. I do hate the idea of her as a member of the SRF.

The relaxing of standards among almost all of the European Royal Houses has set them on a slippery slope toward scorn and irrelevancy, in my opinion. Marrying someone you love is one thing...and marrying someone who does nothing to uphold the dignity of one's heritage and the mystique of the entire concept of Royalty is quite another.

I have a question for everyone who thinks we are being harsh and judgmental...where do YOU draw the line? Is a reformed prostitute or drug dealer okay...as long as they are "in love?" How about someone who once robbed banks, but has reformed?

Is being "in love" and reformed the only criteria that should be met for a potential Royal spouse?

I don't agree. And if that makes me "moralistic"...well...I DON'T CARE.
Wow, I'm definitely in agreement with you. You said it better than I could.

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That's what I want to know. If traditions and rules are going to just keep getting thrown out the window, why even bother having royalty? I thought the whole point of royalty was to keep the history and traditions alive and represent the country in a positive way and give citizens something to look up to and admire. There's is not much admiral about what is going on these days, especially with the SRF.

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if the Swedish monarchy is abolished within 10 years.
Exactly.
I don't even have to say anything...You and Moonmaiden said it all.
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No, they are upset because they well know that people like you will use these pictures to do an assassination of Sofia's character.
And how right have they proven to be.
So what? Sofia doing those pics knew that "people like me" would "do an assassination of her character". Why to be upset now?
Dirty pics like Sofia's ones have a market value because not many girls are ok with "being assasinated" by "people like me" or because they just are "people like me". So Sofia made cash from that. Too late to be upset.
This is the problem of selling rights of exploitation of your image, but since the law allow people to do that, if you sell them, you have to accept consequences.
It's like selling a grandmother tiara for buying a one year holyday and at the end of the holyday being upset because you don't have your grandmother tiara anymore or because you don't like how the buyer is using it..

Moonmaiden23, I could also subscribe your post!
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It is not the thread that has become unpleasant, but Prince CP's love life. There are many many pictures of the girl in the nude or very little garb. There is the TV thing she was in, there are things she said - it is not just an "error when one is young" but a pattern which shows she has no moral standards and is very likely totaly insecure. This kind of comments will not end, as long as she is in the public eye, as nude pics will always sell glossy magazines, if not in Sweden, then abroad. And anything on the internet stays on. Google Sofia Hellquist, and you are in the midst of cheap photos. What healty man would want to marry a woman, who has been the plaything of countless man, if only in the privacy of their bathroom? And if she found somebody to rescue her and wanting to give her a good life, it better be somebody who is not in the focus of the press, which will hurt her again and again.
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