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Old 07-25-2010, 05:13 PM
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How come, so many of you think, the relationsship between CP and Sophia isn't serious? Wherefore she has a mentor, did charity stuff betimes and tries to dress classy? I don't think, she's would be trying so hard just to have fun. Furtermore they supposedly met each others parents and if I remember right, she moved back from NY to Sweden and now the commitment of the court.

And the situation ist just perfect for him, for a little rebellion: he can get his opinion through. Often a negative approach of others makes you want a thing even more. You should never underestimate: Forbidden fruits are the sweetest! . However she doesn't make a good impression on me but I can't read her thoughts and I don't have to live with her. :) And looks is purely a matter of taste..
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:34 PM
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Forbidden fruits are the sweetest! . ..
Why she is forbidden fruit? She is with Prince. She want to be with him. If he wish.

They (Royal Court) can hide photos. But people saw them. And even in many years - newspapers can print once again (may be abroad newspapers, not sweden). What about young princes and princesses? Children of Carl Philip? They will see mum at nude photos.
And what about children of crownprincess Victoria?! They will see theirs AUNT at such nude photos!
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Old 07-25-2010, 05:36 PM
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I have a feeling the Court is somehow going to stop having any of the pictures published, although the magazine has every right to publish them.
They are published already, no way to stop them. And the girl has received her money for them.
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Old 07-25-2010, 06:36 PM
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And the situation ist just perfect for him, for a little rebellion: he can get his opinion through. Often a negative approach of others makes you want a thing even more. You should never underestimate: Forbidden fruits are the sweetest! . However she doesn't make a good impression on me but I can't read her thoughts and I don't have to live with her. :) And looks is purely a matter of taste..
A little rebellion? By a man of 31? If that is Europe's elite - good night to us all!
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Why she is forbidden fruit? She is with Prince. She want to be with him. If he wish.


why forbidden? Because several people militate against the relationship. I hope it became now easier to comprehend

In general I don't care a fig for nude pictures or who did them.. but no matter, at which age they are taken (because they adhere to the person a lifetime) - they don't make a person appear posh. And imo aritocrats should embody nobleness, otherwise aristocracy isn't worth a tinker's dam. Nobody's perfect, but if I got it right, one of the points of the discussion here is which is a adequate behaviour/mindset/lifestyle for peers and people who want to become one?!
I know that my opinion won't change anything and many will say, it's obsolete, but that's just the way it is
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A little rebellion? By a man of 31? If that is Europe's elite - good night to us all!
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ok, I see, I have to work on my phrasing and english..

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Old 07-25-2010, 09:38 PM
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On the swedish undergroundforum Flashback there is a thread about Sofia. The main question about her is how she managed to survive in NY because her Yogacenter apperantly werent that successfull. It is also rumoured in her thread that her mother was an escort in the 80ths. Those two items have now been tied to eachother with a lot of winks
This wouldn't surprise me a bit. I also found the yoga center in NY story fishy because how would a foreigner in her early 20's even be able to get a work visa and permit to start a business in NY, not to mention the money to start the business up? I didn't fall for that story.

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Most people still want Carl-Philip to get back together with Emma Pernald than be with this girl. Sofia is seen in Sweden by a lot of people as a golddigger. Appart from the pictures in Slitz she have also taken part of the docusoap Paradise Hotel(Big Brother in the tropics) and that also is against her. The court have begun the propagandawar on her behalf to make her look good enough for Carl-Philip to marry

Many people had trouble with Daniel Westling in the begining also, i have to admitt that i wasnt completly 100 % won over on his side until they got engaged. I was still negative to Victoria going out with him up to around 2004, but hey, that was because i thought he stole her from me and that should have taken me instead, up to 04-05 i actually dressed better than Daniel. It took 7 years and a speach at the weddingfor Daniel to get accepted by most swedes, it will take more than one speach for Sofia to get fully accepted.

Unfortunally there arent that many royal princesses avalible in Carl-Philips age that he isnt related to.
The difference between people like Emma, Daniel Westling, and Kate Middleton is that they actually worked and/or had a college degree and were doing something productive with their lives and making their own money. What's Sophia doing?

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The story of Lilian and Betril is a great example of doing something for someone other than yourself IMO. And its another striking example of how the older generation value people, traditions more than they value their own personal happiness. It certainly makes Queen Mary's disgust with Edward VIII choosing love with Wallis over his duties as King. To paraphrase her, men died for their country (in WWI) making the ultimate sacrifice and you can't give up this woman?

I, for one, don't know much about Carl Philip or where this relationship is going...but I do wonder if given the choice between being Prince of Sweden or marrying this girl which way he will turn. Its one thing to be a waitress, of non royal blood, to have a child out of wedlock but to have posed nude? Whether or not you think nudity is an expression of art or just being tacky, I think the concept of knowing what a princess looks like nude is losing the allure of royalty. While I certainly think that royals are like us, in a way they are not like us, because if they are, then what's the point? I hope that makes sense.
You totally make sense and I completely understand what you're saying. The whole point of royalty (IMO) is that they are supposed to be people citizens of the country can look up to and represent the country in positive manner and keep traditions going. But if they're just going to behave like any other person and don't give people anything to "look up" to, then there is no point. I think this is why so many taxpayers are tired of royalty, and I can't say I blame them. My fascination with royalty is because I love the traditional aspect of things that royalty is supposed to have and keep alive. But if all the traditions are going to be thrown out the window and it's just do whatever the hell you want, why should taxpayers pay for a monarchy?

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I hope he does not marry her. This trend of Royals marrying just whoever the hell they want-no matter how unsuitable-as long as they are "IN LOVE" might appear romantic on the surface...but I cannot be the only Royalty watcher who is noticing a trend...there are commoners and then there are COMMON commoners...and meanwhile the anti-monarchic pro Republican grumbling grows louder and louder by the year.

As well it should...why should people want to pay taxes, support and respect a Royal Family where a reality TV starlet is now a Royal duchess?

I am sorry, but being a member of a Royal family involves privilege AS WELL AS responsibility. These people are supposed to provide a visible link to the country's history and national identity. As snobbish as it sounds, just because you are attracted to someone or even in love with them...that does not mean they would be suitable as a Royal spouse.

Where does it end??
That's what I want to know. Tradition after tradition and rule after rule keeps getting thrown out the window, so what's point of even having a monarchy? I think this is why so many people are becoming pro-republic because these royal families are just doing whatever they want. The "charm" of it all keeps dying. Sorry, but most people are never going to take this girl seriously, and why should they? She's posed in tasteless nude photoshoots, been on a trashy reality show, bragged on her twitter late last year that she was dating the prince, bragged about kissing pornstar Jenna Jameson, and the list goes on. Why would taxpayers want that representing their country and part of their monarchy? And if those aren't examples of someone desperate for fame and attention, then I don't know what is.
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:31 AM
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......"bragged about kissing porn star Jenna Jameson???"

Did I read correctly? The King and Queen would be mad to welcome this girl into the SRF...I don't think that it will come to that but if it does?

I hope all the members of the SRF get college degrees and learn a trade.

It will come in handy once the monarchy is eventually abolished.
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:30 AM
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First thing, i've found 2 posts in the past 2 pages that have stated something along the lines of the monarchy being abolished after the next generation? First of all, why are you thinking that far ahead and second, what makes you think that?

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I'm sorry, I don't follow CP's current events or love life. Is this relationship with Sophia serious? Because many of you are talking about marriage these days. What's going on? Did she really meet the King and Queen?
They have apparently been together a year, I personally wouldn't call that a fling. I have no idea if she has met the King or Queen yet, I read an article that said she had met Princess Victoria.

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9 years of waiting are a long time and a good opportunity to spice up the CV when trying to convince the in-laws. Chances are good that in 9 years' time Sofia will not be a pin up girl anymore but the CEO of her own model agency
That would be a nice turn out for the books.

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Why she is forbidden fruit? She is with Prince. She want to be with him. If he wish.

They (Royal Court) can hide photos. But people saw them. And even in many years - newspapers can print once again (may be abroad newspapers, not sweden). What about young princes and princesses? Children of Carl Philip? They will see mum at nude photos.
And what about children of crownprincess Victoria?! They will see theirs AUNT at such nude photos!
Who says CP or Sofia are going to show their children? If it is a part of Sofia's life that she does not want to share with whatever children she has then that's her choice. And as for CP Victoria's children, I doubt she would let her own children see those pictures, and if the researched them on the internet so what, it is there choice to do that?

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The difference between people like Emma, Daniel Westling, and Kate Middleton is that they actually worked and/or had a college degree and were doing something productive with their lives and making their own money. What's Sophia doing?
Emma was with CP for 8 years? Daniel was with Victoria for 9 years? and Kate has been with William for 7-8 years. Sofia has been with CP for a year maybe a little more, but that's it. The press haven't had the same amount of time to find out the information they want to publish.
Why do we need to know now what college degrees Sofia has if the majority of you are saying she is disqualified from becoming a princess because of her pictures.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:32 AM
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Since 1996 the acceptance of the monarcy in Sweden lost from 70% to 46%. The acceptance of the Royal Family dropped from 69% to 40%. These values where published in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which is very far from being a tabloid, and the poll dates from after the very well done and moving wedding. The abolishing of the monarcy in sweden is a very real option, at least, as it seems for a majority of the swedish people.
I am not sure if Prince Carl-Philip would mind, maybe his life bores him? I am quite sure that Prince Daniel would not mind.
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Old 07-26-2010, 04:51 AM
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he is rather a playboy type
A relationship of 2 years as teen, 9.5 years with Emma. And this here had an introduction phase of 6m and seems to be more on the serious side since 6m back.
Doesn´t fit my definition of Playboy really.

He might be now in the play phase and this might be over by Christmas, but my bet is on the relationship lasting 3 years at least. If it would end at the altar is an other question.

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Since 1996 the acceptance of the monarcy in Sweden lost from 70% to 46%. The acceptance of the Royal Family dropped from 69% to 40%. These values where published in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which is very far from being a tabloid, and the poll dates from after the very well done and moving wedding
This poll got done in the middle of Bernström-gate (March and April) There is so far no serious poll post-wedding. I´d be very surprised, if the Monarchy wouldn´t swim on a high now. This happened in all Monarchies. But they have to be carefully. Latest after the third baby, a more criticial phase would start again. And then it wouldn´t be bad, if Madeleine and Carl Philip would have stable lives and add something to the Monarchy.
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Since 1996 the acceptance of the monarcy in Sweden lost from 70% to 46%. ...
A dropp of 24% in 14 years, and if it contiue to drop that fast it will only be 14 more years until there are more people against it than for it. The thing republican minded media tend to leave out that even if the support for Monarchy is down to half the people, most of the other half don't oppose it. The numbers are roughly 50% for 25% against and 25% don't know. And thats was before the wedding, lowest numbers druing the current Kings regin.
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the information manager Nina Eldh, has now officially commented on the relationship between Prince Carl Philip and his girlfriend Sofia Hellqvist.

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Well if the court recognises the relationship that's serious enough for me.
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Well if the court recognises the relationship that's serious enough for me.
If the court would have a "normal" head of the press department, I´d agree.
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Old 07-26-2010, 05:39 AM
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Old 07-26-2010, 06:27 AM
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If they are upset over the publication of those pics it means they also think they are vulgar and show how little dignity Sofia has. All posters should now stop saying that those pics are normal and there is nothing bad about them, because even CP and Sofia renounced to defend them and are ashamed of them.
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Old 07-26-2010, 07:00 AM
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I can't understand why discussions about these photos begin just now? It was made not yesterday and even not last month, this nude photoshoot was made more than year ago!
Besides CP and Sofia didn't make an official declaration that they are couple! So for me it is a riddle about so stormy discussion of this photo right now!
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If they are upset over the publication of those pics it means they also think they are vulgar and show how little dignity Sofia has. All posters should now stop saying that those pics are normal and there is nothing bad about them, because even CP and Sofia renounced to defend them and are ashamed of them.
Yes "if".
Again, the court´s spokeswoman is incompetent. She had proven this multiple times. Esp. in the well-covered past year.

However strategy-wise it would be smart, if Sofia would stand to these pictures.
Of course she is now annoyed.
Because prince is next to reverend one of the few and last jobs, where a wife, who did nude pix, is a problem.
But it would look plain silly to complain.
If she didn´t want nude pics of her, she shouldn´t have gotten them done.
If she don´t want them getting published again, she should have gotten a contract saying so.

But most of all a "slower path" would be now the best.
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If they are upset over the publication of those pics it means they also think they are vulgar and show how little dignity Sofia has. All posters should now stop saying that those pics are normal and there is nothing bad about them, because even CP and Sofia renounced to defend them and are ashamed of them.
First of all, no it doesn't mean that. It means that they are upset that people are continuely exploating Sofia just because she had some pictures taken of her. You have absolutely no way of knowning that they find them vulgar and that Sofia has no dignity. Would CP still be with her if he thought his girlfriend had no dignity?
Also you cannot tell us to stop thinking what we think, just because a Prince disagree's with what we have to say. The Royal family does not shut us up just because they disagree with us, which is what your saying we should do.

The only reason these pictures are being re-published are because she is dating the Prince, when she had these pictures done there was absolutely no idea she was going to date a Prince would day, unless she could predict the future.
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