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Old 07-14-2010, 02:54 PM
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I think that you have a double standard, I'm no fan of her, but really nearly all new princesses have some obscure thing in their past. So if they could get married why Sophie can't?
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:29 PM
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Who has a double standard?
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:37 PM
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Those of you that say that he should break up with her because of her past and then praise other princesses who have a "colourful" past.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:39 PM
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I figured that's what you meant.
Speaking for myself, I'm not dooming or condemning her for her past, but whether anyone likes it or not, her past will be a topic of discussion because of her involvement with the prince. Yes other princesses have colorful past, but I don't know about any of them posing nude. Did they?? Not that I know of. Yes Letizia was divorced and MM had a child out of wedlock, did some drugs, etc. No ones past is perfect and neither is Sofia's, but when a woman poses nude she's almost always disrespected. Posing nude degrades a woman and it's never forgotten. Even though its not right, Sofia's "stamp" is a "nude model". In the same way Jonas Bergstrom's "stamp" is a "cheater". That's just how the world works. Posing nude is a serious thing for a woman and it's usually not taken lightly. She can rise above that stamp of her past, but it will take a lot of work.

IMO, Sweden needs a leader, not someone who will make the monarchy a disgrace, or a poppy show as my grandmother would say. Someone who can make the SRF better. Thats what it's all about for me. I don't give a care about someones past. Only God can judge someones past, but what I care about is that Sweden will be better off when Carl Philip and Madeleine choose spouses. I hope their spouses will make the monarchy worthwhile and better. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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Old 07-15-2010, 04:35 AM
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IMO, Sweden needs a leader, not someone who will make the monarchy a disgrace, or a poppy show as my grandmother would say. Someone who can make the SRF better. Thats what it's all about for me. I don't give a care about someones past. Only God can judge someones past, but what I care about is that Sweden will be better off when Carl Philip and Madeleine choose spouses. I hope their spouses will make the monarchy worthwhile and better. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
Yeah and they will have one CP Victoria and her husband.
I know Carl-Philip and Madeleine will have a role to play when Victoria becomes Queen but not much of one. I agree that they need to strengthen the monarchy, and IMO Sofia doesn't seem like that bad a person.

Her past is her past, and it should stay there.
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Old 07-15-2010, 06:40 AM
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I think as Lumutqueen said that you are wrong the only leader that Sweden will have in the future if things don't change is Victoria. Madeleine and C-P in a few years will just not be important anyomore.

And imo is more degrading the opinion that some women are ok to have as girlfriends but not to marry and others women are perfect for marriage but not for fun. I don't see posing nude as degrading if the woman posing is ok doing it.
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Well of course Victoria and Daniel will be thee "leaders". What I meant was that CP and his wife, Madeleine and her husband will have a role to play. Even if it's just a small role. They will be leaders in there own way and they each should marry someone who could further and make better the monarchy.

Melibea, I guess its different for you, but where I come from posing "nude" is somewhat degrading. Even if the woman is okay with it. She's still disrespected. There's no way around that. Being someones longtime girlfriend and posing nude are two completely, very different things.
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:02 AM
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Royals are not just like us, but they seem to be becoming that way. . .and what a shame.
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:08 AM
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Well of course Victoria and Daniel will be thee "leaders". What I meant was that CP and his wife, Madeleine and her husband will have a role to play. Even if it's just a small role. They will be leaders in there own way and they each should marry someone who could further and make better the monarchy.

Melibea, I guess its different for you, but where I come from posing "nude" is somewhat degrading. Even if the woman is okay with it. She's still disrespected. There's no way around that. Being someones longtime girlfriend and posing nude are two completely, very different things.
I can understand where are you coming from and except about the degrading thing I do agree with you Sophie should not be princess material but after the recent marriages I have to say that if CP wants to marry her he should not lose his rights. And imo the problem with him is not the girlfriend but I suppose that is another topic.
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Old 07-16-2010, 10:22 AM
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I think CP should have some discrete fun with the nude model and quickly forget her thereafter!
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Old 07-16-2010, 09:54 PM
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A woman sexual indiscretions are never totally forgotten. The same is true if she poses nude. Most women who pose nude do so for the money. They don't do it for their health or well-being nor do they do so for the betterment of mankind. If they weren't paid a lot of money to pose nude, they wouldn't.

If an American Presidental candidate was dating or became serious with a woman who had posed nude, it would be a major political issue and he would probably not win the election. If he was married to her, forget about even being President. When it comes to world leaders, leaders in one's country or royalty, there is a certain standard of what is acceptable. Posing nude is not one of them.
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Old 07-17-2010, 01:32 AM
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When it comes to world leaders, leaders in one's country or royalty, there is a certain standard of what is acceptable. Posing nude is not one of them.
Some one should tell Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.
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Old 07-17-2010, 03:03 AM
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After having fun with the water skis in Öland during the day, Carl Philip was with Sofia at a night club in Båstad yesterday night.
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The Bruni-Sarkosys are an embarrassing and narcisstic lot. The constant rumours of incorrect goings on makes it not any better and the only good thing about the situation is that it is not lifelong and not hereditary... Same goes for Italy. Both countries are degenerating politically, financally and as far as the state of the people goes. These cases show the limits of democraty.
In my opininon there is quite a bit of a difference between a nude model with a strong tendency to vertical mobility and a woman who, in an unhappy patch of her live took drugs and the wrong man, got a child and consequently over the nonsense and pulled herself together again. The first is in business, the latter just a woman with enough inner strenght to master a down phase in life.
Anyway, it is up to the swedish people how much they want to finance a band of playboys and playgirls having a jolly good time at the peoples expenses.
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I'm confused by your post Lorette, what are you actually trying to say?
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Old 07-17-2010, 08:21 AM
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If an American Presidental candidate was dating or became serious with a woman who had posed nude, it would be a major political issue and he would probably not win the election. If he was married to her, forget about even being President. When it comes to world leaders, leaders in one's country or royalty, there is a certain standard of what is acceptable. Posing nude is not one of them.
You know who won Ted Kennedy seat in the senate when he died? A republican who posed nude for a magazine, and does posing nude make him a worse politician than one who didn't? The people didn't think so.

And then as some has said before me we have Bruni who apart from posing nude many times she did a tv programme which is better not to talk about if we don't want Sarko after us; Bruni can be criticised for many things but I doubt that anyone would question her suitability to be first dame because some photos.

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In my opininon there is quite a bit of a difference between a nude model with a strong tendency to vertical mobility and a woman who, in an unhappy patch of her live took drugs and the wrong man, got a child and consequently over the nonsense and pulled herself together again. The first is in business, the latter just a woman with enough inner strenght to master a down phase in life.
Anyway, it is up to the swedish people how much they want to finance a band of playboys and playgirls having a jolly good time at the peoples expenses.
Do we know if the other princesses had a strong tendency to vertical mobility? Are we sure that Sophie has it? Imo that's just suppositions but I would not put my hand in the fire for any of them, and if we did know all about the royals I'm sure that we would have some unhappy surprises.

Can we be sure that Sophie past is just not a rebel patch? Wathever she did in her past she can also do also a 180 turn and be the perfect stepford wife. Imo all the princes were considered playboys until they married formed an apparently perfect family and had children. I will wait and in a couple of years if CP decides to marry her I'm sure that everyone will say that it is so brave of him to marry for love and she is so courageous to endure the media's pressure...
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:43 AM
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The nudity photos are one thing, but that she did the TV show and had in the docu soap the role of a hypocritical person, and that she is now in this Best&Brightest club of that business lady and studying UN children rights adds to a picture.
If this would be a Soap Opera she would be definitely the golddigger.

However this is life and she might be really a kind person and really into charity. She does deserve the benefit of a doubt, but also some critical views IMO.
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:29 AM
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For me as a Swede I don´t have anything againt Sofia´s nude pics that I can accept but I can´t accept that tv-show Paradise hotel where it goes out to share room with a guy too stay. I never saw that show but I have heard that she didn´t sleep with any of the guys on the show.

My concerns about Sofia is if she did that show and got some fame, she can do anything to get fame and what´s not better too get involvd with a Swedish prince. My question is does she relly love him or is she just out for the fame
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:35 AM
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Very valid points.

I think everyone make mistakes and we shouldn't judge too harshly.

I mean, when she did the nude photos and the television show (of which I don't have access to) did she look in her crystal ball and know that she was going to meet and date Prince Carl Phillip and maybe she shouldn't make those choices? I don't know. On the other hand, there are people you date and people you marry and unfortunately for some, sometimes they are not the same people. And I would question anyone who did a reality show because lets face it...people who do those type of shows now are looking to be famous. If you did that show when it first came out you were looking for a new adventure. People know the deal with reality shows now.....everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame and a little fortune. Jade Goody made 10 million pounds before she died! It can be done.

I do know that royalty should have an air of mystery, a bit of glamour, a bit of indifference but not in a snobbish way (they shouldn't be like you and me cause really if they are then what is the point), and should perform good deeds for their country.

If she can do all that than thats great. As already pointed out....as Victoria and Daniel become more suited to their roles, and when Victoria becomes Queen and have children, the lives of Madeline and Carl Phillip will not receive as much attention. It happened in England with Andrew, Anne and Edward, it happened in the Netherlands with Beatrix's sisters, with WA's brothers, etc. it will happen here.
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But with a body like hers, she could get all the fame she wanted without dating a prince, couldn't she?
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