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Old 02-14-2012, 08:01 PM
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i could see King CG giving only HH to Sofia (if she marries CP), i dont see nothing wrong with making the Royal House smaller, she would still be a royal and from the Royal Family. the Norwegen royals do that too and even the husband of Martha Louise doesnt have a title. and the Spanish family seems to be cutting some members and include only the King/Queen/Princes of Asturias/their daughters little Infantas.
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:12 PM
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I agree JessRulz, if Carl Philip hadnt been "screwed over" by the succession change he probably would have been a completely different person. And I'm sure he would have recognized that Sofie couldn't be his Queen. But since they changed the rules he can do whatever the heck he wants.
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:53 AM
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He wasn't really srewed over, to be honest. The progress was already in the work, when he came around. It's rather that the king and the queen "screwed" things up a bit by getting a boy a few month to early. If CP would have been born in 1980 no one would talk about this now. Personally I think it's okay they made the change work right away instead of waiting for 30 more years. I've not always thought this. I thought too that everything was unfair to CP. But in the end he was a 7 month old boy when his status changed from "Crownprince" to only "Prince". He didn't realise anything changed just as his sister didn't really realise what changed for her. And I remember several interviews in which both of them said this was never a topic to be discussed between them. They're completely okay with how it is (contrary to the king whom I remember saying decades ago he wasn't very happy about the fact that his crownprince suddenly wasn't a crownprince anymore).

But in the end I admit that "Crownprince Carl Philip" would have had a nice ring to it. And CPCP would have been a nice short form for forums, don't you think? But maybe then we would discuss about Victoria and her bad decisions regarding relationships with Black Jack dealers or race car drivers. Who knows? I don't think we wouldn't be any better of. It could have been just switched roles and maybe than we would be like "Why haven't the changed the succession law right away? Victoria wouldbe better of being cron princess right now than behaving like this. Look at Carl Philip. He knows what he owes his country." The same **** in green rather than red.

And I don't have any problems making Sofia "just" a HH in case of marriage. It's perfectly just okay. But I think we can't compare this to how things work in Norway. In Norway they don't have any real nobility in comparsion to Sweden. They don't have much place for more than the absolute neccessary HRH. Every other born royal get's to be just HH, apart from the spouses of the king and the crownprince. And every other spouse is just a spouse without any title because there simply aren't any titels to give. I'm sure it's only that why Ari Behn hasn't been made a Duke or Viscount or Lord of anything. And the same goes with Marius. If there would have been a way I think at least in Marius' case they would have done anything. Just to make him a bit more level to his HRH parents and sister and his HH brother. But who knows, maybe some day he marries Isabella of Denmark or Catharina Amalia of the Netherlands and he also get's his HH or even his HRH. The universe works in mysterios ways.

OK, I'm getting of topic here. My last words for now are: Ms Hellqvists first name is Sofia. Not Sofie. It's not nice to discuss her and her situation and not even write her name right.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:27 PM
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OK, I'm getting of topic here. My last words for now are: Ms Hellqvists first name is Sofia. Not Sofie. It's not nice to discuss her and her situation and not even write her name right.
Seriously, calm down. I don't think they mean disrespect when using Sofie. I highly doubt they're trying to degrade her. Besides, I'm pretty sure Sofia goes by that nickname anyway.
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Old 02-15-2012, 06:34 PM
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I haven't said anything about disrespect or degrading. I just said it isn't nice. Her name is Sofia and not Sofie. Just like Felipe isn't Philip or Willem Alexander isn't William Alexander or Isabella isn't Isabelle. And this is "said" completely calm. It just doesn't reach you when it is just written. That's all.

And how can you be pretty sure she goes by Sofie anyway? Not everyone goes by a nickname or does even like nicknames. As far as it is not known she goes by a nickname we should respect her in the way to use her real name. Just like we do it (mostly anyway) with Madeleine who doesn't like to be called Madde.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:13 PM
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I don't think a wife of Carl Philip will be styled H.H. That title has never existed in the swedish royal house. She can be Princess Sofia Mrs Bernadotte like Christina is Mrs Magnuson where "Princess" is not a title but a part of their name. But the most likely scenario is that she Will be styled H.R.H Princess Sofia Duchess of Värmland wether we like it or not.
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Old 02-16-2012, 12:59 AM
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One old friend of Sofia writes in his blog that Sofia and Carl Philip were in December at Tiesto´s concert in Globen, dancing the whole night. They continued to club V after the concert. No photos of them...
http://blogg.bobbysharstudio.se/tiesto-konsert-var-grym/
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Old 02-16-2012, 02:17 PM
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I don't think a wife of Carl Philip will be styled H.H. That title has never existed in the swedish royal house. She can be Princess Sofia Mrs Bernadotte like Christina is Mrs Magnuson where "Princess" is not a title but a part of their name. But the most likely scenario is that she Will be styled H.R.H Princess Sofia Duchess of Värmland wether we like it or not.
The king was going to make Jonas HH duke not HRH prince so turn a round and make his wife an HRH princess would be a double standard. Daniel was made HRH because he is the spouse of the heir, but there really is no pressing reason to make any of the other children spouses HRH prince(ess). As fair as never existed before, the oldest child regardless of gender didn't exist before so change can be good.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:40 PM
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Chances are the Sofia would not be in the picture if the succession laws were not made retroactive to Victoria's birth. The two eldest siblings - Victoria and Carl Philip - would have been raised differently, Carl Philip would have been 'groomed' to be King from the get go. He wouldn't have been flitting through his adult life at university and car races as long as he has - he would have had the same, possibly even more dedicated, education/training that Victoria was given. If Carl Philip was Crown Prince, I'm also sure that had he entered into a relationship with Sofia, it would have been shut down quite quickly after the nude photos came to light. Marriage would be 95% out of the question.

Basically, IMO we can't say 'Thank god Sofia won't be Crown Princess because of the succession changes!' because everything in Carl Philip's life would have been different (well, except maybe being mummy's favourite boy).
True, and I think she would have been his mistress. But it´s good he isn´t CP, because he would have followed the footsteps of his father and have the same marriage like him. As long he is happy with this person, okay, his reputation is already lost.
(It seriously bugs me how CG and Silvia prefer CP over the girls. IMO this pains Victoria very much. I look forward for the Swedish monarchy with Victoria as monarch and a real happy family)
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Old 02-19-2012, 05:58 AM
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I think it's CG who prefers CP the most. He was against changing a succession rules. Yes, I feel sorry for Vicky too, she and Daniel proved that they're good representatives of Sweden but everyone knows that king wasn't a 'fan' of Daniel.
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:54 AM
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The King has always preferd Carl Philip and was very angry at the government when they changed the succesion. Maybe he still is. Victoria knows that. But that doesn't mean he doesn't love his eldest daughter. He accepts the situation and is well aware that it is because of Victoria and Daniel and not because of him that the royal family still is popular in Sweden after their "annus horribilis" year 2011.
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Old 02-19-2012, 09:00 AM
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I agree. CG is a "men's man". He said in the past that he thinks that the job is too tough for a woman, having to do the job, have children, what might be a conflict depending on the time of becoming Queen (QEII is a fantastic queen but its undisputed that she didnt have much time for her children).
I guess CG has been proven right in the past, Victoria is kind of a sensible soul, got anorexia due to pressure and she is very family-committed and in the need of a stable, loving home (its a good thing but people are different, some characters who are job or duty driven or very sophisticated / less emotional might have an easier ride in the end).
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:22 AM
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Even though times have changed, most monarchs IMO would prefer their son to be heir to the throne. A traditional monarch would want their first born son to be heir to the throne unless the son was mentally ill, was physically or mentally not able to do the job, or had committed a capital crime.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:29 PM
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It´s maybe offtopic in tis thread: I think you underestimate Victoria, yes she showed that she was stressed with her illness, but she is strong now and with Daniel she has a loyal and dignified partner.
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Well, Carl Philipp. I never had thought he would end with someone like Sofia. and I don´t think she is even nice as person.
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Old 02-19-2012, 03:58 PM
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The King has always preferd Carl Philip and was very angry at the government when they changed the succesion. Maybe he still is. Victoria knows that. But that doesn't mean he doesn't love his eldest daughter. He accepts the situation and is well aware that it is because of Victoria and Daniel and not because of him that the royal family still is popular in Sweden after their "annus horribilis" year 2011.
This is my first time hearing of the king's anger that his daughter, first born would be queen instead of his first born son, Carl Phillip. Where can I read more about this? Being from the USA, it is not "common knowledge" to me.
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:17 PM
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This is my first time hearing of the king's anger that his daughter, first born would be queen instead of his first born son, Carl Phillip. Where can I read more about this? Being from the USA, it is not "common knowledge" to me.
Carl XVI Gustaf critical of female succession in the interview
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Oh how I do wish to be able to read this article (thank you for posting the link), but I couldn't find a way to translate it, unfortunately.
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:36 PM
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Oh how I do wish to be able to read this article (thank you for posting the link), but I couldn't find a way to translate it, unfortunately.
Copy the text from the website to Google translator and translate from swedish to english,
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The king is a man of "his generation". I think like someone said that most of todays male monarchs wants their son as their heir because that was the rules and the natural way when they grew up. But i know and Victoria has said it many times that she and her father is very close to each other. Their father-daughter relation is and have always been very good. And i know the he is happy with the outcome and glad that Victoria is so proffesional and loyal to her duty and to her family but the swedish "socialist media" doesn't want to write that.
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It´s maybe offtopic in tis thread: I think you underestimate Victoria, yes she showed that she was stressed with her illness, but she is strong now and with Daniel she has a loyal and dignified partner.
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Well, Carl Philipp. I never had thought he would end with someone like Sofia. and I don´t think she is even nice as person.
That was many ago now and Victoria has recovered very well from her problems. Queen Margrethe of Denmark said the same thing about her own youth. The pressure on her became to heavy and she had a complete nervous breakdown on her 18:th birthday and did not feel comfortable with her role as heir presumptive again until her marriage to Henri in 1967. I think many male heirs have same feelings and problems but we never hear about that because they are men and not expected to behave like they have problems and not feeling comfortable with their role.
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