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Old 10-21-2014, 04:01 PM
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These kind of entertainment talk shows, where the audience claps and applauds when the director orders, are not a suitable place for a member of the royal family to be. But Carl Philip wanted to do PR in any price. The whole interview was extremely calculating and rehearsed surely many times. Hellenius made Carl Philip first look like a victim and then like a hero. In 35 minute program there was about 17 minutes talk and Hellenius talked more than Carl Philip.
And it is nice that Carl Philip spoke about his dyslexia. But he could have spoken about it in public for at least 15 years, like Victoria has done. It is interesting that he speaks about it only now and in this context.
He is so pathetic, really. A spoilt boy who can't accept that Sweden is a free country and people can voice their opinion, even about royals.
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Old 10-21-2014, 04:40 PM
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^^^Some people just can't win, can they? I wouldn't want my sig. other dragged through the coals. It's just plain rude.
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Old 10-21-2014, 04:47 PM
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what really bother me is the fact that CP said the press is bullying Sofia, which is very far from the truth... (Like she was a sort of a victim while she is very conscious of the cameras, has often fed the press etc) the rest he said about her is fine
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^^^Some people just can't win, can they? I wouldn't want my sig. other dragged through the coals. It's just plain rude.
I agree. I can understand why he or any other person (public figure or private citizen) would have objections to this type of scrutiny about someone that they love.

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Imo everyone has a different scale of what problem is "worse", indeed for me the political issues like mentioned in post above by TLLK are a bigger problem for a royal spouse than nude indiscretions in the past.
But if these threads have shown us one thing it's that other people have other scales and to some nudity/sex/porn is probably the worst that could happen.

But like Claus and Maxima turned out to be very popular (at some point even the most popular) members of the dutch RF, something which (especially with P.Claus) was not expected at all at the start; it's possible that Sofia over time will turn out to be a valued and possibly popular member of the SRF.

Claus and Maxima were given a chance, i'm glad the SRF is willing to give Sofia a chance!
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Old 10-21-2014, 07:06 PM
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What is it always with those two arguments? Are lesbian kisses and nudity really such big katastrophes in your world (I don't mean only scooter but everyone who always arguments with that)? If so, be happy. Then your life is rosy and peachy and perfect Disney-ish. Real life has bigger katastrophes and bigger dramas than harmless lesbian kisses and naked skin.
It's not a matter of it being a catastrophe in my world. It's a matter that this is a major lowering of the bar for the standards for a royal bride. I'm not asking for a lot here, just no viewable tape of a future princess having her naked a** rubbed by an assortment of people. I give it 5 years or less from today, assuming something even more scandalous and/or explicit does not come out between now and the wedding in time to de rail it. I wonder if perhaps thats the reason there is no wedding date. They may be trying to put out a fire. JMHO of course.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:20 AM
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After yesterday's thousandth argument, the moderators would like to set out some specific guidelines for this - and all Swedish - threads:

>If you wish to discuss Sofia Hellqvist's past, use the Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family thread - it was created for a reason: to prevent all other threads from being clogged up with the same, repetitive discussion.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:39 AM
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I watched the interview with Carl Philip last week, and I had some mixed impressions.

On the more negative side: he still has the "spoiled brat"- expression now and then. Among other things, he talked about how hard it was for him when David Hellenius and the rest of the gang in "Hey Baberiba" made fun of him and his family a couple of years ago. Come on, Carl Philip. I watched those as well, and most of them were actually quite funny. I think it's very important when you are a public person to have a healthy amount of self distance. I'm also not too sure about he described his familys attitude towards Sofia in the beginning. Yes, I think that she's accepted and welcomed by them now, but I also think that it was a rocky road from now to then.

On the positive side, Carl Philip was way more articulate and comfortable in the spotlight than I could ever imagined. I think that most people had an impression of him as being quite shy. A guy who like his father enjoys the forest, agriculture and the countryside - not cutting ribbons and make public speaches. So yes, I'm positively surprised here.

Talking about his dyslexia and what that means - both when he was younger and now - was also a good move, in several ways. The clip from last years and this years Sports gala showed a Prince who struggles, but doesn't give up. Good on him!

And the perhaps most important things: People that usually don't care about the royal family, or even dislike them, have talked about how much they liked Carl Philips appearence on TV. There's a positive buzz surrounding them at the moment, thanks to the (until now) least known member of the family. Good PR for Carl Philip, but generally good PR for the royal family.
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:45 AM
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Well, even if it was hard to watch, the only way to reply to parodies is saying that you found it funny. Any other reply will make you seem dry and / or over sensitive. Almost everybody always says that they liked the parody of themselves, although I am quite sure many disliked it.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:18 AM
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Well, even if it was hard to watch, the only way to reply to parodies is saying that you found it funny. Any other reply will make you seem dry and / or over sensitive. Almost everybody always says that they liked the parody of themselves, although I am quite sure many disliked it.
I disagree. If it was hard to watch for him he has a right to say so. He may be a public person but he doesn't have to find it funny if somepne makes fun of him. He is still a human being and thus has feelings.

I have watched one or two of those clips too a while back and even though I can't understand swedish I was able to see how deep those clips cut into little flaws of everyone and blow them out of purpose. For me those clips weren't funny at all but rather embaressing and I could only imagine back than what the SRF would feel about it. Now I know at least what Carl Philip felt.
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:09 PM
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Not everything done in parody is funny. I think the people portrayed have every right not to find it funny, that doesn't mean they are too serious simply don't find it funny or amusing.
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I watched the interview with Carl Philip last week, and I had some mixed impressions.

On the more negative side: he still has the "spoiled brat"- expression now and then. Among other things, he talked about how hard it was for him when David Hellenius and the rest of the gang in "Hey Baberiba" made fun of him and his family a couple of years ago. Come on, Carl Philip. I watched those as well, and most of them were actually quite funny. I think it's very important when you are a public person to have a healthy amount of self distance. I'm also not too sure about he described his familys attitude towards Sofia in the beginning. Yes, I think that she's accepted and welcomed by them now, but I also think that it was a rocky road from now to then.

On the positive side, Carl Philip was way more articulate and comfortable in the spotlight than I could ever imagined. I think that most people had an impression of him as being quite shy. A guy who like his father enjoys the forest, agriculture and the countryside - not cutting ribbons and make public speaches. So yes, I'm positively surprised here.

Talking about his dyslexia and what that means - both when he was younger and now - was also a good move, in several ways. The clip from last years and this years Sports gala showed a Prince who struggles, but doesn't give up. Good on him!

And the perhaps most important things: People that usually don't care about the royal family, or even dislike them, have talked about how much they liked Carl Philips appearence on TV. There's a positive buzz surrounding them at the moment, thanks to the (until now) least known member of the family. Good PR for Carl Philip, but generally good PR for the royal family.
Thank you for posting your impressions, xenobia. I am glad to hear what you have posted in the last paragraph.

Well done, then, Carl Philip.
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Regardless of whether CP should have made those comments or not and whether said comments are correct or not, you can hardly say that feeling bullied by the press is a "personal" issue.

Anyway, is the interview big in Sweden? Or has the Russian submarine stolen CP's thunder?

I would generally agree that CP is bordering on whining with this one. But then again, I generally just take issue with privileged people whining about how they have such difficult lives. I do see what CP means, the heated debate about Sofia on these forums confirms that there does exist this prejudice against her, but I am not Swedish, nor do I read Swedish newspapers or gossip magazines, so I wouldn't know if she's been bullied by the actual press.
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Anyway, is the interview big in Sweden? Or has the Russian submarine stolen CP's thunder?

The interview was the talk of the weekend and CP got a lot of positive response to it. For many swedes it was the first time he became a person of his own and not just a handsome guy with dyslexia that occasionally crashes race cars.
To me it seems that the part about Sofia being bullied by media is much bigger here in the forums than in Sweden.
The biggest news after the weekend have quite correctly been Russian submarines, the new government and its budget and a tragic murder of an eight year old girl earlier this year by some relatives.


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The interview was the talk of the weekend and CP got a lot of positive response to it. For many swedes it was the first time he became a person of his own and not just a handsome guy with dyslexia that occasionally crashes race cars.
Good to know. Sounds like it was a good thing, then.

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But I thought Sofia was not being bullied by the media? I'm confused.
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I also was under the impression that SH was not bullied by the media, they seem to have treated her with kid gloves and she has gone out of her way to talk to them which of course they love...........so why would CPC think she was bullied? It's only been on the royal sites that she isn't the most respected future royal bride to be that she is not received with kid gloves...........would anyone in her family, friends or whomever be on these sites keeping track of what is being said..........question!
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There has been a lot of articles in the gossip magazines, blogs and also the two big evening papers.
Enough apparently for the pair to feel she was bullied. We can agree or disagree about this being the case but who are we to say how she should feel about it. For some persons in the public eye things like this is like water on a ducks back while for others it's a personal disaster.


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There has been a lot of articles in the gossip magazines, blogs and also the two big evening papers.
Enough apparently for the pair to feel she was bullied. We can agree or disagree about this being the case but who are we to say how she should feel about it. For some persons in the public eye things like this is like water on a ducks back while for others it's a personal disaster.
True. There has been some negative press surrounding her, but generally the media has been really nice to her. I wouldn't say that media has given her a harder time than Daniel. Actually I would say quite the opposite.
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The media ripped Daniel apart like he was dirt under their feet, that he wasn't good enough for their crown princess and even KCG wasn't thrilled to have Daniel in the family.........now KGC can eat his words and so can the media, Daniel was a hard working business man in his own right before he married Victoria, the media from all that I have read has been very nice to SH and for that she has talked to them thinking maybe they are her friends, the media is friends of nobody unless you have something to sell them or say to them, they are all about making a story to make money..........period. SH should count her blessings for the way she has been treated by the media for they will turn on her in a heart beat.......lesson she really needs to learn...now!
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The media ripped Daniel apart like he was dirt under their feet, that he wasn't good enough for their crown princess and even KCG wasn't thrilled to have Daniel in the family.........now KGC can eat his words and so can the media, Daniel was a hard working business man in his own right before he married Victoria, the media from all that I have read has been very nice to SH and for that she has talked to them thinking maybe they are her friends, the media is friends of nobody unless you have something to sell them or say to them, they are all about making a story to make money..........period. SH should count her blessings for the way she has been treated by the media for they will turn on her in a heart beat.......lesson she really needs to learn...now!
Have you ever thought that maybe she knows that already? She isn't dumb, even thoug a lot of people think her to be. Maybe she feeds the press on purpous, because she doesn't want them to rip her apart like they do with her future sister-in-law. You know, always feed the dog a little snack so it will like you instead of bite you.
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Have you ever thought that maybe she knows that already? She isn't dumb, even thoug a lot of people think her to be. Maybe she feeds the press on purpous, because she doesn't want them to rip her apart like they do with her future sister-in-law. You know, always feed the dog a little snack so it will like you instead of bite you.
Well said. She doesn't need external teachers, the only relevant people are the people at the court.
Furthermore, Carl Philip has only expressed how he feels, he has a right to that and no one has the right to judge him for his feelings. I assume we wouldn't like to be judged for (expressing) how we feel either.
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