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Old 10-18-2014, 11:23 AM
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It is totally ridiculous from Carl Philip to claim that the press has bullied Sofia. When they started dating, the press wrote about Sofia's past, and they wrote only the truth. It isn't bullying to write that the royal family didn't approve Sofia, that was just their interpretation. It isn't odd at all to claim that a family isn't delighted when their member is starting to date a former nude model and Paradise Hotel star, whose past has many unknown phases. The swedish press has the whole time handled Sofia with silk gloves. Svensk Damtidning has from the start adored her.
What the people write at the forums, is a different story. People have right to their opinions. If Carl Philip thinks that that is bullying, that is his opinion.
There may be a love affair from the press for Sofia now but it won't last long. Everyone knows that the royals press attention goes through it's ups and downs. The press love you today but tomorrow can be another story.

I'm glad that Prince Carl Philip addressed the harsh treatment Sofia went through with the press. I could tell the royal family embraced Sofia long ago and got to know her for who she really is and not from what others tried to make her out to be.
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Old 10-18-2014, 07:31 PM
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I remember the press writing about her past life a lot and the reality show she was on. I also remember them writing about how the royal family have rejected her and so forth. Prince Carl Philip knows what he's talking about, Sofia has been bullied by those who had no clue to what was really going on. Then again, I think they knew but just didn't want to accept it.

This happened to Catherine too. Things changed up just before her engagement was announced.

I'm just glad that things are on an official footing with Prince Carl Philip & Sofia and that they are very happy. It would be nice to hear some official news about the wedding though.

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Can't get clearer than that.

Might Carl Philip be sensitive for some reason? Are sisters not cooperating with wedding requests? We won't know, but it remains odd imo for Carl Phillip to suddenly address this. In this instance, the less said the better I would think.
Perhaps CP felt it necessary to clear the air. Speculation that his parents didn't approve is pretty normal. However, allegations that his sister are unkind are just plain nasty.
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Old 10-18-2014, 07:59 PM
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It's sweet that Carl Philip is so protective of Sofia. It can't be easy to watch someone you love being verbally swiped at, while you are expected to take the high road and not respond.

If it makes him feel a little better, the press isn't targeting Sofia in an isolated manner. The press is extremely misogynistic and will target all famous women when they think they can get away with it.
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:45 AM
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These kind of entertainment talk shows, where the audience claps and applauds when the director orders, are not a suitable place for a member of the royal family to be. But Carl Philip wanted to do PR in any price. The whole interview was extremely calculating and rehearsed surely many times. Hellenius made Carl Philip first look like a victim and then like a hero. In 35 minute program there was about 17 minutes talk and Hellenius talked more than Carl Philip.
And it is nice that Carl Philip spoke about his dyslexia. But he could have spoken about it in public for at least 15 years, like Victoria has done. It is interesting that he speaks about it only now and in this context.
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:36 AM
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These kind of entertainment talk shows, where the audience claps and applauds when the director orders, are not a suitable place for a member of the royal family to be. But Carl Philip wanted to do PR in any price. The whole interview was extremely calculating and rehearsed surely many times. Hellenius made Carl Philip first look like a victim and then like a hero. In 35 minute program there was about 17 minutes talk and Hellenius talked more than Carl Philip.

And it is nice that Carl Philip spoke about his dyslexia. But he could have spoken about it in public for at least 15 years, like Victoria has done. It is interesting that he speaks about it only now and in this context.
From what you describe, then, he was not ambushed. There must be something a-foot that we don't know about, something subtle, that an appeal to the public seemed warranted.

When he has appeared in public with Sofia, for example, is there some noticeable reaction to them as a couple from certain of the public? It's all I can think of, since the press has been minding its p's and q's, per the reports here. There is some reason Carl Philip felt it was necessary to stage this. What you describe is a staged event. He chose to be on the show to get out a message.

Anyway, my negative bias in this is obvious. I think it's sad because his very speaking out lowers the tone imo. Before this he was above it all. Now when we see them as a couple, we will know he is sensitive. Unfortunate.

(Though it just struck me that since this is out-of-charcater for Carl Phillip to discuss such things like his dyslexia, someone 'new' must be advising him, like Sofia. It's something to consider and would make more sense for a woman to be concerned about such impressions than a man.)
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:37 AM
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From what you describe, then, he was not ambushed. There must be something a-foot that we don't know about, something subtle, that an appeal to the public seemed warranted.

When he has appeared in public with Sofia, for example, is there some noticeable reaction to them as a couple from certain of the public? It's all I can think of, since the press has been minding its p's and q's, per the reports here. There is some reason Carl Philip felt it was necessary to stage this. What you describe is a staged event. He chose to be on the show to get out a message.

Anyway, my negative bias in this is obvious. I think it's sad because his very speaking out lowers the tone imo. Before this he was above it all. Now when we see them as a couple, we will know he is sensitive. Unfortunate.

(Though it just struck me that since this is out-of-charcater for Carl Phillip to discuss such things like his dyslexia, someone 'new' must be advising him, like Sofia. It's something to consider and would make more sense for a woman to be concerned about such impressions than a man.)
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That is very good insight into what he just did. I think you have made a very strong point that something is up and if he had not done the interview then nobody would have been the wiser...........now, it's wait and see...
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Well it can hardly be a surprise to CP that selling SH as a princess with her past history was going to be an uphill battle. I cant think of any royal spouse EVER who posed for nude photos and had a lesbian make out session with a porn star floating around on tape. But if I am wrong, will one of our very knowledgable posters give me an example? Frankly I cant imagine any other royal house being prepared to accept a person with that history, and allow the prince in question to retain his title and place in the succession. Others have had to stand down for far less in their choice of spouse.
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Old 10-21-2014, 12:11 AM
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Well it can hardly be a surprise to CP that selling SH as a princess with her past history was going to be an uphill battle. I cant think of any royal spouse EVER who posed for nude photos and had a lesbian make out session with a porn star floating around on tape. But if I am wrong, will one of our very knowledgable posters give me an example? Frankly I cant imagine any other royal house being prepared to accept a person with that history, and allow the prince in question to retain his title and place in the succession. Others have had to stand down for far less in their choice of spouse.
Summed up well. Puzzling. Carl Philip is in for a long haul if he is already unsettled. Won't change.
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Old 10-21-2014, 12:52 AM
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The most important thing is that they love each other, their families are happy and supportive of them and they've decided to dedicate their live to each other. It's actually a beautiful thing and I'd be upset too if people bullied my girlfriend/fiancee over a period of time.

Also, everyone pretty much have an interesting past. When you're young, you sometimes do silly things but you learn as you grow and move on. I don't think Sofia has allowed her past to define her. She seems like a lovely young woman and Prince Carl Philip loves the woman. It's just time to move on folks.
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:32 AM
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Well it can hardly be a surprise to CP that selling SH as a princess with her past history was going to be an uphill battle. I cant think of any royal spouse EVER who posed for nude photos and had a lesbian make out session with a porn star floating around on tape. But if I am wrong, will one of our very knowledgable posters give me an example? Frankly I cant imagine any other royal house being prepared to accept a person with that history, and allow the prince in question to retain his title and place in the succession. Others have had to stand down for far less in their choice of spouse.
Other royal houses have expected people with bigger problems in their past and they have been mentioned several times in several threads
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Old 10-21-2014, 02:19 AM
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Who? I can't recall any woman being married to a prince who has done the same things that SH has done............please inform as I don't know it all and now I am very curious.
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Sofia's apologsists like to trot out the fact that Letitia Ortez was divorced, but to me that's no where near SH's back ground. MM had a drug dealer ex boyfriend and an illegitmate child, so she would come closest. There was a LOT of opposisition to MM too. But none of them has MANY different nude photos and a video of a leslian make out session with a porn star out there for everyone to see.
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:46 AM
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^^^Oh, lighten up. It doesn't matter whether it's one nude photo or a museum filled with nude photos. She was on a different path then...she wanted to be an actress and most actresses (even our beloved Grace) did criticizable(?) things to get to the top of the actress pile.

There's a commoner Royal out there that I don't much care for, but even I have something nice to say about her when valid. Sheesh.
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:55 AM
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Sofia's apologsists like to trot out the fact that Letitia Ortez was divorced, but to me that's no where near SH's back ground. MM had a drug dealer ex boyfriend and an illegitmate child, so she would come closest. There was a LOT of opposisition to MM too. But none of them has MANY different nude photos and a video of a leslian make out session with a porn star out there for everyone to see.
What is it always with those two arguments? Are lesbian kisses and nudity really such big katastrophes in your world (I don't mean only scooter but everyone who always arguments with that)? If so, be happy. Then your life is rosy and peachy and perfect Disney-ish. Real life has bigger katastrophes and bigger dramas than harmless lesbian kisses and naked skin.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:03 AM
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I don't think Sofia has allowed her past to define her.
She certainly didn't, as Sofia has shown the ability to change and move with time, an ability many people doesn't have.

And, sadly, some people are defined by bitterness and irrational hatred. Too bad for them.

Personally, I thank God for allowing a young couple to live beyond the past and build a loving family. The world today is such a sad place, we need more happiness.
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And, sadly, some people are defined by bitterness and irrational hatred. Too bad for them.
Just for context, because I think far too much (negative) emotion is being 'read into' comments being made, Carl Philip is the one who agreed to what seems to have been a staged interview in order to make certain comments about his family's reception of Sofia. His choice.

The comments thus far have only been to the effect that Sofia has a past that Carl Philip should know will always be remarked upon, its all out there on the internet for posterity to view and the less said the better (perhaps).

Apparently the media is being very nice regarding Sofia so the question arises as to why start defending Sofia at this date? What has been the trigger? Fair question.

To assume that anyone who makes comments regarding her past is possessed of narrow minded views or even 'irrational' hatred (bitterness?) of Sofia goes a bit too far methinks.
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To assume that anyone who makes comments regarding her past is possessed of narrow minded views or even 'irrational' hatred (bitterness?) of Sofia goes a bit too far methinks.
It's not that some people make these comments, because that's perfectly fine, but it's that these comments are made by the same people again and again and again in every thread that is even remotely related to Sofia (and threads that have nothing to do with Sofia) and always with the same exact arguments without any hint of an understanding of people who have a different opinion.
It indeed might be conceived to some others as narrowmindedness
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Well, this forum isn't a fan site, but my mantra is let they who are without sin cast the first stone. Really silly in this day and age, with loose morals being the norm, for anyone to criticize what has been done in the past. She's not a murderer, you know.

Anyway, this thread is re: C-P. Has he done anything lately in relation to representation of the royal house?
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Old 10-21-2014, 01:56 PM
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Other royal houses have expected people with bigger problems in their past and they have been mentioned several times in several threads
I agree. Compared to some of the royal partners of the past this isn't the most scandalous IMO.

While they were not of a sexual nature, the late Prince Claus' German nationality and conscription into the German army during WWII had many Dutch citizens upset. There were demonstrations on the day of the wedding. His daughter-in-law's father could not be invited to W-A and Maxima's wedding due to his government involvement during the Videla years.
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Imo everyone has a different scale of what problem is "worse", indeed for me the political issues like mentioned in post above by TLLK are a bigger problem for a royal spouse than nude indiscretions in the past.
But if these threads have shown us one thing it's that other people have other scales and to some nudity/sex/porn is probably the worst that could happen.

But like Claus and Maxima turned out to be very popular (at some point even the most popular) members of the dutch RF, something which (especially with P.Claus) was not expected at all at the start; it's possible that Sofia over time will turn out to be a valued and possibly popular member of the SRF.

Claus and Maxima were given a chance, i'm glad the SRF is willing to give Sofia a chance!
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