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Old 06-08-2014, 09:06 AM
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Old 06-08-2014, 09:42 AM
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Leonore has now her own biography at the website of the SRF:

H.K.H. Prinsessan Leonore - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]
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Old 06-08-2014, 07:28 PM
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Leonore has now her own biography at the website of the SRF:

H.K.H. Prinsessan Leonore - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]
I'm underwhelmed by her new monogram.
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:17 AM
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If they intend to stay in Sweden until after the summer, will they even attend the US Childhood event that was announced on Madeleine's Facebook?
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:31 AM
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The monogram and coat of arms are very regal and the shape of the L is suitable for both a baby and an adult
I hope I'm not stepping out if line by saying this, but I think it's perhaps time for a news and picture thread for Leonore since this thread is about news related to Madeleine chris and leonore as a family...there isn't one specifically for leonore
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:42 AM
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Madeleine and Chris have today spent time in Stockholm with Chris' family. Chris, Madeleine and Ernst von Abensperg und Traun went after lunch to restaurant Riche and ordered a table for the whole family. Soon other members of the family arrived there.
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:59 PM
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Leonore has now her own biography at the website of the SRF:

H.K.H. Prinsessan Leonore - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]
Whilst I like her monogram, I do think that Leonore having it as well as her own coat of arms, title and Duchy is a bit OTT given that Chris has remained untitled, and also that she's 'just' fifth in line to the Swedish throne. I do think, as others have said elsewhere, that this is a case of Madeleine being a little spoilt and 'wanting to have her cake and eat it too'.

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The monogram and coat of arms are very regal and the shape of the L is suitable for both a baby and an adult
I hope I'm not stepping out if line by saying this, but I think it's perhaps time for a news and picture thread for Leonore since this thread is about news related to Madeleine chris and leonore as a family...there isn't one specifically for leonore
I agree - I wasn't a member of TRF at the time of her christening, but looking back, it seems that Estelle's thread was created a little bit after her christening, so perhaps it's time that Leonore got a thread of her own as well. Although right now apart from the christening, there hasn't really been much news about her, just appearances in Stockholm/New York with Madeleine and Chris, so perhaps the Moderators are waiting for a bit, but it would still be nice for her to have her own thread.
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Old 06-09-2014, 04:15 PM
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I am quoting Dadofil form the Christening thread, because I think it bears repeating here.

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Exactly! The King is following the government's wishes in treating his daughter the same way he would a son. Carl Philip's name and title will stay the same when he gets married, so Madeleine's do as well. Carl Philip's children will be HRH Prince(ss) and get the Seraphim, so Madeleine's children do as well.

Madeleine isn't spoiled. She and her daughter are being treated just as the Swedish government intended the Sovereign's female descendants to be when they changed the law.
If this was Carl Phillip's daughter, the child would have a monogram, a coat of arms, etc because she would be the granddaughter of a King, etc. Madeline is the daughter of the King, and as such her daughter because of the law is entitled to the same rights as her brother's children would be.

This isn't the same family that was short on heirs because people had unequal marriages or because they married someone who didn't have a title, lost theirs (a majority of the Haga Princesses), and you have an uncle who doesn't marry his love because he is waiting for his nephew to marry and have kids. The Swedish royal family is moving with the times.

Equality is just what it says folks. EQUAL.
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Old 06-09-2014, 04:36 PM
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I am quoting Dadofil form the Christening thread, because I think it bears repeating here.



If this was Carl Phillip's daughter, the child would have a monogram, a coat of arms, etc because she would be the granddaughter of a King, etc. Madeline is the daughter of the King, and as such her daughter because of the law is entitled to the same rights as her brother's children would be.

This isn't the same family that was short on heirs because people had unequal marriages or because they married someone who didn't have a title, lost theirs (a majority of the Haga Princesses), and you have an uncle who doesn't marry his love because he is waiting for his nephew to marry and have kids. The Swedish royal family is moving with the times.

Equality is just what it says folks. EQUAL.
I understand that, but it's just my personal opinion that Madeleine comes across as a little spoilt. What I was trying to say is that since Chris doesn't have a title, I do think that how his daughter got a title, duchy and monogram is a bit OTT. It would be understandable if Chris was titled, but he's not. That is all.
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Old 06-09-2014, 04:43 PM
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I start to think that Leonore might be "the spare" so to speak...
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:01 PM
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I understand that, but it's just my personal opinion that Madeleine comes across as a little spoilt. What I was trying to say is that since Chris doesn't have a title, I do think that how his daughter got a title, duchy and monogram is a bit OTT. It would be understandable if Chris was titled, but he's not. That is all.
I think you are missing my point.

Because daughters have the same EQUAL rights have sons...it doesn't matter if Chris doesn't have a title.

Madeline has a title, and thus Lenore has a title. That's equality.

People (and not just you) have to come to terms with how this affects titles. Its like in Britian...now they are realizing how will the proposed equality will affect title succession (i.e. will a first born daughter by the new Duchess of Whatever instead of the fourth born son?). This became moot when George was born but it was and is a concern.
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:02 PM
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What I was trying to say is that since Chris doesn't have a title, I do think that how his daughter got a title, duchy and monogram is a bit OTT. It would be understandable if Chris was titled, but he's not. That is all.
For all you Sofia-doubters here Chris' decision can be a precedence for when Carl Philip and Sofia marry; now sons and daughters are treated completely equal this would mean that Sofia does not have to be given a title herself for her child(ren) to be HRH's...
Even if P.Estelle will remain an only child, Carl Philip's children will be before Leonore in line to the throne
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:53 PM
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I think you are missing my point.

Because daughters have the same EQUAL rights have sons...it doesn't matter if Chris doesn't have a title.

Madeline has a title, and thus Lenore has a title. That's equality.

People (and not just you) have to come to terms with how this affects titles. Its like in Britian...now they are realizing how will the proposed equality will affect title succession (i.e. will a first born daughter by the new Duchess of Whatever instead of the fourth born son?). This became moot when George was born but it was and is a concern.
To me its not about equal rights but about fitting in with modern times when monarchies all over Europe are 'slimming down'. I personally don't think any grandchildren apart from the children of Victoria should get titles or HRH styles as its unlikely they will really ever need them.There is an heir, and she has an heir so why make the rest of the grandchildren Prince/Princess with HRH just in case Victoria has no more children or something happens to Estelle?

I actually think it would be nice if the King's grandchildren had a noble title (Duke/ Duchess) as a way of regonising their links to the King but I don't see a need or any reason for them to be HRH and Prince/Princess.
Also (take note Maddie) there is a way to have a title but still have a private life away from the media.

I think the only reason people aren't anything about Carl Philip is because he doesn't have any children yet.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:22 AM
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The director of the Press department, Margareta Thorgren, told to Aftonbladet that Madeleine celebrates her birthday privately. They will go back to USA where Madeleine attends at a Childhood concert on 26th June and Chris celebrates his 40th birthday on 27th. They will return to Sweden at the beginning of July. The rest of their summer plans are secret, but it is thought to be sure that they attend at Victoria's birthday concert.
Efter dop kommer ’ja må de leva’- rop Nyheter Aftonbladet

Finnish Iltalehti has interviewed Johan T. Lindwall. He said that he doesn't believe that Madeleine and Chris will move to Sweden. They say they will, but he thinks they stay in New York. It is still many years until they should move to Sweden and Lindwall thinks they will make up something else before that. The court hasn't had this kind of situation before, so they can change the rules. Maybe they say that Leonore will go to a Swedish school in New York and they will spend three years in Sweden, so that is enough. If Madeleine and Chris want to stay in New York, they will find a way to do that, thinks Lindwall.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:20 PM
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Se & Hör attacks Chris for partying
The king's and Madde's demand: Stop partying, Chris!
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Stoppa pressarna writes about Se & Hör article of Chris going to the restaurant with his family in the evening of their first Wedding anniversary. Se & Hör claims that Madeleine and the king don't appreciate that Chris is continuing with his wild living, even though he is now a member of the royal family, and has additionally become a father. They have demanded that the financier takes it easy with partying - at least when he is in Sweden.
Chris O’Neill bytte firande av bröllopsdag mot en helkväll på krogen Stoppa Pressarna

Svensk Damtidning's Johanna Lejon and Liv Sander speculate in their podcast why the families of Madeleine and Chris spend Sunday evening in different places? If they would have had a great time during the day, they would have continued in the evening. Why it doesn't click between queen Silvia and Eva O'Neill? They have now so much to talk about when they have a grandchild together. "Maybe it is that the other wears bandage, which queen Silvia would never wear", they think.
They speculate also why Sturehof is Chris' favourite. He and his family goes always there. That is a place when one goes when one wants to be seen. It is so easy to look from the street via the big window in to the restaurant. At Stureplan there are many much more private restaurans where the food is as good. And Madeleine used to visit those other restaurants like Teatergrillen before she moved to New York.
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Thanks, LadyFinn.

I know Svensk Damtidning is not the most serious, let alone well-researched news organ, but are they seriously suggesting Queen Silvia and Chris O'Neil's mother is not on speaking terms due to different headgear??

As for Se & Hør, well, if the Swedish version of the magazine in any way resemble the ones in Norway and DK, I guess they use Kalla Anka (Donald Duck) as source.
However, I do think it's a bit weird the two families apparantly celebrate seperately. Has anyone come up with plausible explanation?
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From the pictures of Madeleine Birthday, and the articles in Expressen and Aftonbladet, it didn't sound like Chris went with Madeleine to the castle last night for her Birthday... Yes very strange I think, there has to be something going on with these family behind the scenes..
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