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Old 08-08-2005, 08:25 PM
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I couldn't have put it better.

Moreover, he is the Head of the Jordanian Armed forces. QR should take a tour of Iraq, that would show that she isn't afraid to get her hands dirty. KA has already visited several places in the thick of Danger as he is trained for it as have many before him inc QN, PH, Princess Haya. In certain ways One can't help think that QR percieves Jordan to be a Business. Maybe and this is only a suggestion, she should have taken an additional degree in Architecture and urban planning, thereby being more intouch with Jordan in a more shold one say anthropological sense.

AS QN said it's mostly solving problems and the ability to look at the infrastructure and seehow it can be maintained and positively enhanced.




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"You know instead of visiting American schools,hitech facilities etc, maybe she should try going to Iraq where Muslim men and woman are really suffering.By doing that she would shed some light upon those issues which really matter. (I hope I told you what I wanted to say Alicky.)"

Should she do a full tour of Iraq -- even though it is currently very dangerous to do such a thing, is that a suggestion for what the Queen of Jordan should do? :)

How do you think her husband would feel about it should she do such a thing?

How come the suggestion is not for King Abdullah to do such a thing -- especially since he is the King of Jordan, a fellow Muslim, and he is the one in charge -- certainly he can do a nice job representing in Iraq?
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:30 PM
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I think QR does an excellent job representing her country. It has been said before, and it may need to be said again -- QR is a public figure and also someone who represents her country to the entire world -- when in an interaction with other diplomats or heads of state (other royalty, presidents, and so forth) -- she needs to be a modern face of her country, and show that her country is broadly appealing and fits into the rest of the world. It would not due for her to represent in any way the country being 'stand-off', unable to fit in and modernize (that does not mean cast of traditions, just adaptable).

It would make no more sense that for her to go into a conference in Paris, London or Zurich or New York meeting speaking only arabic and insisting that speaking english is not a good idea. While arabic is a beautiful language like many of her own traditions, she must represent the country's own adaptability and modernity as well.

I think she does well as a face for her people. She knows her job.

Anyway, her husband King Abdullah seems not to have an issue with her clothes, and I assume he pays for them and even if he does not and he sees her in them all the time.

I thought of making smthing clear here,I myhself see nothin wrong with her clothes and her being phtographed wearing a swimming suit isn't her problem as I mentioned before,but u guys were talking about the pic of her making a toast which I couldn't but to be honest and tell the truth,it's not just an opinion it's a FACT,our religion is like that,I am not sayin that cuz it's Rania,I would have said the same if I saw a pic of Hamzah,Hash or even Ali,this is the way Islam is....Drinking alcohol is forbidden!
although I know a lot of muslims who drink,but that doesn't mean what they are doin is right.
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:35 PM
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How do you know it has not been suggested to her already? How do you know she has not thought of it on her own?

How do you know if her husband King Abdullah would go for that, since such things would need to be approved by him....

I am certain she is not such a delicate flower that she cannot go into a war zone if her duty called for it. I think she is an excellent queen for her people and in my opinion she has proven herself more than enough for my respect.

How come KA has not gone into Iraq for a tour of Bagdad recently? and Mosul what about there? I am certain he would not be scared and be able to protect himself since he was in the army.

How come he does not take his oldest children with him also -- since i am certain they will serve in the army too.
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:37 PM
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I thought of making smthing clear here,I myhself see nothin wrong with her clothes and her being phtographed wearing a swimming suit isn't her problem as I mentioned before,but u guys were talking about the pic of her making a toast which I couldn't but to be honest and tell the truth,it's not just an opinion it's a FACT,our religion is like that,I am not sayin that cuz it's Rania,I would have said the same if I saw a pic of Hamzah,Hash or even Ali,this is the way Islam is....Drinking alcohol is forbidden!
although I know a lot of muslims who drink,but that doesn't mean what they are doin is right.
I was never involved in any discussion about her clothes being inappropriate at all.

I think she does an excellent job representing her self and her people as adaptable and modern in the world. She does an outstanding job.
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:41 PM
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I can only speak for myself. I by no means imply nor say that QR should wear out attire only fitting Islamic, Arab, or general ethnic situations. Nor is One saying that she shouldn't me modernised, perhaps modernity and tradition cobined.

Nor does one suggest that she appear to be instagatory, as One is well aware that would defeat the purppose. Indeed she can present Jordan's abolity to adapt and modernise within the World Arena of Diplomacy, that isn't in question. What is at least by me, is that although she continues to do so, it seems (as I said it is apparant to me however this is only my point of view) that less of the essense of Jordan is combined with the aforesaid elements (no offense meant.) Other than that I've to say regarding the matter.


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I think QR does an excellent job representing her country. It has been said before, and it may need to be said again -- QR is a public figure and also someone who represents her country to the entire world -- when in an interaction with other diplomats or heads of state (other royalty, presidents, and so forth) -- she needs to be a modern face of her country, and show that her country is broadly appealing and fits into the rest of the world. It would not due for her to represent in any way the country being 'stand-off', unable to fit in and modernize (that does not mean cast of traditions, just adaptable).

Anyone that would find it acceptable for her to wear attire not suited to her position in the world stage is looking at things in a very narrow way, in my opinion. That would make no more sense than if she would go into a conference in Paris, London or Zurich or New York meeting speaking only arabic and insisting that speaking english is not a good idea because english is not the first language of people from Jordan. While arabic is a certainly a beautiful language like many of her own traditions, she must represent the country's own adaptability and modernity in the world.

I think she does very well as a face for her people. She is a Queen and she knows her job.

Anyway, her husband King Abdullah seems not to have an issue with her clothes, and I assume he pays for them and even if he does not and he sees her in them all the time.
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:52 PM
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I'm not sugesting it hasn't, mo words were, "this is only a suggestion." This by no means suggest that the aforementioned point it hasn't been previously suggested.:) Nor do I claim to know what her thoughts are.

One suggests that it might, indeed sisn't say that it would. By the things that she's mentioned before ie flying in the helicopter in various conditions, especially whilst expecting. This was merely a thought by no means, One's saying anything more than that. Of course her husband loves her and woouldn't let her go into any situation, which neither her nor the family could anticipate nor calculate the risks involved.

One never thought her delicate, she was a refugee Ie when eshe fled Kuwait due to Sadam Hussein and settled in Jordan,) by definition she's a tough cookie. that's one of the reasons why I first began to respect her. No one, at least I didn't say other wise.

As for KA visiting Al-Musul and or taking his elder Children to Iraq ,One knows not why he hasn't. :)


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How do you know it has not been suggested to her already? How do you know she has not thought of it on her own?

How do you know if her husband King Abdullah would go for that, since such things would need to be approved by him....

I am certain she is not such a delicate flower that she cannot go into a war zone if her duty called for it. I think she is an excellent queen for her people and in my opinion she has proven herself more than enough for my respect.

How come KA has not gone into Iraq for a tour of Bagdad recently? and Mosul what about there? I am certain he would not be scared and be able to protect himself since he was in the army.

How come he does not take his oldest children with him also -- since i am certain they will serve in the army too.
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Old 08-08-2005, 08:56 PM
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Yes, just like many people who are in charge, or assist those who are in charge -- QR need to be able to perceive her role as very business like, to a certain extent -- because as anyone CEO or representative would know very clearly from experience -- business is not about facts and figures. At the lower levels, it is, but at the top of the organization it is very, very much about building and maintaining relationships across a broad spectrum of people and places.

Any body who runs any kind of business knows this that it takes alot of making people comfortable and at ease and keeping with the important ties that make them want to do business with you -- or help you when you need it -- and whatever it is that you represent. And alot of times, on the world stage, it is not only who you knnow, but how you look to them -- she (and KA) need to look and behave like she represents a country that is worth the 'investment' of whatever sort.

I completely respect her and her ability to help King Abdullah keep Jordan in front of the world as a place of interest.:)
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Old 08-08-2005, 09:03 PM
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I'm not sugesting it hasn't, mo words were, "this is only a suggestion." This by no means suggest that the aforementioned point it hasn't been previously suggested.:) Nor do I claim to know what her thoughts are.

One suggests that it might, indeed sisn't say that it would. By the things that she's mentioned before ie flying in the helicopter in various conditions, especially whilst expecting. This was merely a thought by no means, One's saying anything more than that. Of course her husband loves her and woouldn't let her go into any situation, which neither her nor the family could anticipate nor calculate the risks involved.

One never thought her delicate, she was a refugee Ie when eshe fled Kuwait due to Sadam Hussein and settled in Jordan,) by definition she's a tough cookie. that's one of the reasons why I first began to respect her. No one, at least I didn't say other wise.

As for KA visiting Al-Musul and or taking his elder Children to Iraq ,One knows not why he hasn't. :)
I have to say, I would never expect any person of any level of responsibillity to knowingly escort their children into a war zone where they could be subject to harm.

Even if it is to show off or prove to anyone that they are brave and that they are about the business of seeing to issues of war and peace, I think it would be the wrong thing to do.

I think he does quite well, on his own, using his own diplomacy and tact and civility.

My comment was intended a little sarcastic -- certainly not ever serious that he should ever even think of taking any of his children there.

While there are some who may look forward to something as dangerous as that, I think that if he would ever do so, I would be a little disappointed in him, in my opinion. But ok, a little dose of the reality of war could help more than a few people...

In the end, those are his children and he can do with them as he sees fit, I am sure he will sort it out for himself.
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Old 08-08-2005, 09:32 PM
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True, also when QN indeed did dress in an elabourate (yet beautiful) fashion, she ensured that an equilibrium was declared between her attire and tasks. Thereby not defeating the purpose of her initiative's and various works.
I agree. A lot of times people will say that Queen Noor did the same as Queen Rania, but she never came off terribly high-glam to me, you know? Her clothes always seemed muted and simply tailored, simple jewelry, simple makeup. In the last few years she's been adding more glitz, but it usually accompanies a kaftan or a suit, something simple and traditional. It's always very understated. :)

I love Queen Rania's beautiful beaded kaftan gowns though, I would love to design those for a living! :)
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Old 08-08-2005, 10:21 PM
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Should she do a full tour of Iraq -- even though it is currently very dangerous to do such a thing, is that a suggestion for what the Queen of Jordan should do? :)
No, that's not the suggestion at all.All I was trying to say was that if Donald Rumsfeld,Prince Charles etc. can visit these countries, she should be able to do at least, the same.Ok, maybe not Iraq but how about Afghanistan,Zein,....The point was for her to make a visible effort to communicate and help muslim people who most need it.:) (May be she can learn a little from Angelina Jolie? )

How do you think her husband would feel about it should she do such a thing?

Quite honestly,I would expect him to be quite supportive, and maybe he would want to join in?

How come the suggestion is not for King Abdullah to do such a thing -- especially since he is the King of Jordan, a fellow Muslim, and he is the one in charge -- certainly he can do a nice job representing in Iraq?

The reason why I didn't suggest this for King Abdullah was because,Queen Rania is visibly and obviously more popular than her Husband.(I mean after all this thread is also based upon King Abdullah, but how many times do we talk about him?:p )So if she did something of this magnitude the media would be sure to pick up on it.There would be some light shed upon the tragedies that occur in those parts of the world.
P.S Alicky,I don't wear a swimsuit when I go swimming.Infact I don't go swimming in public pools, beaches etc. Hence,I go swimming at home.
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:03 AM
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can some one explain to me how the person can be adaptable and modern ?
I really don't understand this point ( that the queen represent a modern face of her country ) .
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:24 AM
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"You know instead of visiting American schools,hitech facilities etc, maybe she should try going to Iraq where Muslim men and woman are really suffering.By doing that she would shed some light upon those issues which really matter. (I hope I told you what I wanted to say Alicky.)
But yo9u see, the policy of Ka and QR is Jordan First. The way KA puts it is that, eyah there is regional turmoil and a bit in Jordan, but he wants to put Jordan first by pursuing development-economic, social (maybe someday political). If the monarchy focuses on just what is going on next door, than nothing will be done in Jordan. I really think that this young couple is doing hte best they can. Of course there is room for improvements, trial and error...
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:38 AM
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Nothing is wrong indeed as Alicky said with revceiving Media attention. However, One should take care and realise that as soon as it becomes apparent that One's physical appearance is highlight more than One's duties and achievements, One should by the very least (not saying that QR hasn't) attempt to lesson the attention by either the afore or other methods. By no means do I criticise QR. Therefore more emphasis would be placed upon such important matters. :)


In the news articles, not fashion, that I have read about QR there isn't any mention of what she's wearing, or how she looks. The article is simply about whatever it is she is involved in, or visiting. Now, of course there may be a photo or two, but nothing is ever written about her physical appearance.
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:40 AM
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(ETHA DOKKAT AL K2OOS HORIMA MA FEEHA) (Can sm1 transelate please?)
If a glass (filled with forbidden drink, alcohol) touches another (not filled with alcohol), then the non-alcoholic cup becomes forbidden.

The Arabic language is so eloquent that 7 words is translated into 21 words in English!
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:41 AM
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I couldn't have put it better.

Moreover, he is the Head of the Jordanian Armed forces. QR should take a tour of Iraq, that would show that she isn't afraid to get her hands dirty.

I can think of many reasons why QR shouldn't visit Iraq. There isn't any need for her to put her life in danger just to prove that she isn't afraid to get her hands dirty.
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But yo9u see, the policy of Ka and QR is Jordan First. The way KA puts it is that, eyah there is regional turmoil and a bit in Jordan, but he wants to put Jordan first by pursuing development-economic, social (maybe someday political). If the monarchy focuses on just what is going on next door, than nothing will be done in Jordan. I really think that this young couple is doing hte best they can. Of course there is room for improvements, trial and error...
Well, if he's allowing the US to use Jordan as means to enter Iraq, I think it is the least he can do to go to Iraq and analyze the situation for himself.
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Did KH do those sorts of things?
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Did KH do those sorts of things?
As far as I'm concerned, yes he did. After signing the peace treaty with Israel, he had acquired a stronger foothold on politics in Palestine/Israel. KH visited the region often and once even attending a funeral service of some girls who were killed by a Jordanian soldier. He was involved in his business dealings.
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Old 08-09-2005, 06:18 AM
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"at a time when people are afraid to say that they are muslims, she should give them a voice"
Rania does that in every interview, she always talks about Islam and herself as a muslim and life as a muslim woman. Rania may be wealthy now, but it wasn't long ago that she led the sort of ordinary life many many muslim women lead.

"She's not teaching young girls to be who they are, but rather showing them you should be like everyone else, even if that means sacrificing what you believe in.
To you that may have been just a glass of wine which she held up and probably didn't even drink,but to me it seemed offensive."
If it even was a glass of wine or champagne. It could have been anything, after all grape juice looks no different to white wine. I find it more offensive that so many of the muslims on this board are quick to judge and criticise her over an unidentified drink.

With regards Iraq I thought Rania and Abdullah had made a trip, I can recall seeing pics of her with Talabani's wife. Or were those taken in Jordan?
Moreoever why is she the only msulim Queen who is expected to show support or solidarity, Why is nobody calling for Sheikha Mozah or Sheikah Sabeeka to visit Iraq?Why is she the only person who is excpected to put her life in danger?
I expect Rania, more than many many others knows about the suffering of her fellow muslim from her childhood visits to Tulkarm in the West Bank.

"However, One should take care and realise that as soon as it becomes apparent that One's physical appearance is highlight more than One's duties and achievements, One should by the very least (not saying that QR hasn't) attempt to lesson the attention by either the afore or other methods. "

Isn't that the media's fault more than hers though? Rania could turn up to an international summit in a potato sack and the media would probably talk of her "innovative style". She doesn't have control over what the media chooses to produce.
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Old 08-09-2005, 07:07 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, yes he did. After signing the peace treaty with Israel, he had acquired a stronger foothold on politics in Palestine/Israel. KH visited the region often and once even attending a funeral service of some girls who were killed by a Jordanian soldier. He was involved in his business dealings.
yes i do remember this event , it was awful and shameful
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