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Old 03-23-2005, 03:03 AM
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I just assumed that since Petra said it was the King's address that he was there--why would they call it the King's address if the PM was the one who actually addressed the summit?
Eliza, there is no free press or speech in Jordan. Petra is state controlled, so nothing is written in it that doesn't suit KA. One almost needs to be a PR professional and an expert on Jordanian culture to know how to read anything written by Petra or that appears in The Jordan Times. They are very crafty with words and images. Although they cleverly called it the King's address, they neglected to mention it wouldn't be given by the King. So they are technically correct, but very misleading.
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Eliza, there is no free press or speech in Jordan. Petra is state controlled, so nothing is written in it that doesn't suit KA. One almost needs to be a PR professional and an expert on Jordanian culture to know how to read anything written by Petra or that appears in The Jordan Times. They are very crafty with words and images. Although they cleverly called it the King's address, they neglected to mention it wouldn't be given by the King. So they are technically correct, but very misleading.
Ah! I see, very very sneaky, though I was under the impression that KA was for freedom of the press
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Old 03-23-2005, 04:35 AM
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Ah! I see, very very sneaky, though I was under the impression that KA was for freedom of the press
That's another thing you have to watch out for. He says one thing and does another. This is a perfect example. But he does it routinely, as a matter of course. He and QR are also for women's rights, but "honor" killings are scarcely punished in Jordan. There are lots of inconsistencies like this. But, the hopeful thing is, some journalists outside Jordan are beginning to take note and report on this.
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Old 03-23-2005, 04:46 AM
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That's another thing you have to watch out for. He says one thing and does another. This is a perfect example. But he does it routinely, as a matter of course. He and QR are also for women's rights, but "honor" killings are scarcely punished in Jordan. There are lots of inconsistencies like this. But, the hopeful thing is, some journalists outside Jordan are beginning to take note and report on this.
huh, weird...okay, thanks for the info

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New thing about the King's absentee address at the Arab Summit in Algiers

King's Address at Arab Summit in Algiers</FONT></STRONG>

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King's Address at Arab Summit in Algiers
Algiers, March 23 (Petra)--His Majesty King Abdullah II said
that the roadmap peace plan is the only available means to settle
the Palestinian issue which means the two concerned parties should
abide by this map and speed up measures to implement its provisions
so that eventually a viable independent Palestinian state can be
established on the Palestinian soil.
In an adders to the Arab summit in Algiers, King Abdullah
stressed the necessity to implement immediately what has been agreed
upon at Sharm Sheikh summit and affirmed the need for effective
participation of the quartet committee and the U.S. in this regard.
Following is the full text of the King's Speech:-


Your Majesties, Presidents and princes of Arab Countries, peace
be upon You:
The agenda of this summit is full of many issues and great
challenges that face our nation at this critical stage that our
nation is passing through and which threaten security and stability
in this region. We, in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan act in our
vision on these issues and challenges and means of overcoming them,
upon our keenness to perform our duties towards our nation and
its just causes.
Jordan views the roadmap peace plan as the means available to
settle the Palestinian issue and affirms the importance of the
commitment of both parties to this map and its implementation
leading to the establishment of a viable Palestinian state on the
Palestinian national soil.
It also affirms the importance of immediate and full
implementation of what had been agreed upon during the recent Sharm
Al Sheikh summit. Here, we affirm the importance of the
participation of the International Quartet and efforts of the
United States in this regard.





//Petra// more......

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Old 03-23-2005, 05:01 AM
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King............................ 1st Ld</FONT></STRONG>


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King............................ 1st Ld
Due to our awareness of the extent o challenges that face the
Palestinian authority in this regard, we call upon the international
community to provide political, economic and financial support to
this authority to enable it to shoulder its responsibilities in
constructing the state's institutions and implementing reforms and
change. Here, the London Conference was a positive step in this
regard.
We in Jordan are keen to continue providing all forms of
support to our Palestinian brethren, particularly in the reform
process, establishing the state's institutions and training cadres.
Here, I would like to affirm the importance of solving the
Arab-Israeli conflict on the basis of international legitimacy, UN
resolutions, the Madrid Conference and the Arab initiative that
should be presented to the world in its genuine form as Prince
Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz wanted. Therefore, it is necessary to revive
the Syrian and Lebanese tracks in parallel with the Palestinian
track.


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King's Address At Arab Summit...2nd LD</FONT></STRONG>


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King's Address At Arab Summit...2nd LD
Here we remind that the Arab Nation was committed to all the UN
Security Council resolutions and is calling for implementing all
these resolutions, at the top of which resolution 242 away from
selectivity or focus on the Council's last resolutions excluding
others.

As for Iraq, Jordan affirms the importance of respecting Iraq's
sovereignty, independence and the unity of its lands. We welcome the
Iraqi elections as an important and necessary step for the political

march in Iraq and we consider the large scale public participation as

a positive evidence on the Iraqis willingness and readiness to
rebuild their country and determine their future.

Jordan considers the formation of a legitimate Iraqi government with
grassroots bases inclusive of all Iraqi sects a guarantee to continue

the democratic process and preserve the rights of minorities. Jordan
fully supports such a government committed to maintaining the Arab
support for Iraq, its unity, independence and national unity and
calls all the countries and concerned parties especially the United
Nations and the European Union to provide all possible assistance
for rebuilding Iraq politically and economically away from any
foreign political interference in the internal political process in
Iraq.

//Petra//......more

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Old 03-23-2005, 05:12 AM
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King's Address.......3rd LD</FONT></STRONG>


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King's Address.......3rd LD
Jordan will continue to support the Iraqi efforts to improve the
security and rebuilding through training the Iraqi police
and army in addition to civil workers to enable Iraq to return to
its natural position in the region.

We condemn all forms of violence and terrorism facing our
innocent people in Hallah or elsewhere in Iraq or the world .
Terrorism is an international phenomena that is not connected
to any specific culture or religion rather than the other and any
attempt to associate Islam with terror is rejected.

In order to respond to such efforts, Jordan has issued "Amman
Message" which presents Islam on its true and bright image based on
values of tolerance and dialogue and the rejection of all forms of
violence and terrorism.

I appreciate the efforts of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in fighting
terrorism and announce Jordan's support to the Saudi brothers.

We, while calling for more international and regional cooperation to
fight this phenomena, remind that military methods alone are not
enough to stand in the face of this great danger and that the
economic and social factors which form the suitable environment for
the spread of terrorism must be dealt with.

//Petra//...more

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Old 03-23-2005, 05:15 AM
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King.....................4th Ld</FONT></STRONG>


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King.....................4th Ld
Kings, Presidents and Princes:
There is an urgent need for reform, development and
modernization, and this cannot be delayed or postponed. If some
views this issue as an agenda that is imposed on us from outside,
then we should lead the march of reform and modernization, for it is
the right of our people and because it is a request that fulfils
the aspirations of our peoples in progress and in keeping pace with
the world around us. Jordan has started for years to implement its
national plan for reform and comprehensive development in the
political, economic, social and administrative fields. In line with
this approach, we set up a plan that aims at increasing peoples'
participation in decision making through dividing the Kingdom into
a number of regions with its affairs administered by local councils
that are directly elected by citizens of these regions.
For this purpose, we formed a specialized team to set up
comprehensive national agenda for the development and modernization
process in all fields for the next ten years.
Jordan welcomes partnership with the eight countries and affirms
the importance of their support to reform efforts, not only in
Jordan, but also in other Arab countries. We in Jordan support the
Tunis Declaration for Development and Modernization in the Arab
World, and we also approved a joint plan with the European Union
that provides Jordan with the support it needs to implement the
reform and development program.
Your Majesties, Presidents and Princes I would like at the end
to extend my thanks and appreciation for His Excellency President
Abdul Aziz Botafliqah and to the Algerian people for their kind
hospitality and good preparations for this summit. I also thank the
Secretary General of the Arab League and its cadres for their
efforts to ensure the success of this summit.



//Petra// end.

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Another point re the king's non presence at the summit; having put the cat among the pigeons with this proposal, whoever was there would have to face a barrage of questioning, press and otherwise, in Arabic. Although the king has made great strides in his Arabic competence over the past few years, he would have been out of his depth here. Much better to leave it to others and do what he is good at, which is talking to US officials and CEO's.
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Another point re the king's non presence at the summit; having put the cat among the pigeons with this proposal, whoever was there woould have to face a barrage of questioning, press and otherwise, in Arabic. Although the king has made great strides in his Arabic competence over the past few years, he would have been out of his depth here. Much better to leave it to others and do what he is good at, which is talking to US officials and CEO's.
do you think that could be a possibilty for him deciding not to go?

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Actually, I'm kind of confused, I was under the impression that the King spoke Arabic very well, correct me if I'm wrong
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Actually, I'm kind of confused, I was under the impression that the King spoke Arabic very well, correct me if I'm wrong
NO he speak arabic very bad, if you understand arabic you should hear him , he is so funny when start talking in Arabic
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Unfortunately arabic is like giberrish to me so I wouldn't know the difference.
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Actually, I'm kind of confused, I was under the impression that the King spoke Arabic very well, correct me if I'm wrong
No, King Abdullah's Arabic is not good at all. I actually think it was quite cruel of King Hussein,who must have been well aware of his difficency in this area to dump on him the way he did from this point of view ( heck - he was his father. It was his reponsibility to make sure it was otherwise , whether or not he envisaged him being king or not. An Arab who does not speak Arabic is pitiful. An Arab prince even more so. A Hashemite who does not have command of his language ).
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No, King Abdullah's Arabic is not good at all. I actually think it was quite cruel of King Hussein,who must have been well aware of his difficency in this area to dump on him the way he did from this point of view ( heck - he was his father. It was his reponsibility to make sure it was otherwise , whether or not he envisaged him being king or not. An Arab who does not speak Arabic is pitiful. An Arab prince even more so. A Hashemite who does not have command of his language ).
LOL! okay so I guess he isn't well versed in arabic as I thought he was, but what does knowing arabic well have to do with being a Hashemite?
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LOL! okay so I guess he isn't well versed in arabic as I thought he was, but what does knowing arabic well have to do with being a Hashemite?
Um...well, the whole Hashemite claim to fame bit is that they are the direct decendents of the Prophet Mohammed. This is certainly a 'big deal' to Muslims. King Hussein often brought it into his speeches and statements. Even King Abdullah has I think said that ' he is king of all the Hashemites'' and "head of the Hashemite famil" . It just seems a bit odd to me that if someone is so proud of their antecedents,that they don't have at least a fluency in the language of their ancestors, if not an excellent grasp of their history, literature, culture, , which I personally think is a must for an Arab head of state.

There are those who say that this is the reason that Prince Hassan's voice still cannot be heard on Jordanian television or radio. Nor Prince Hamzah nor Prince Rashid for that matter. No prince who is competent in Arabic is ever heard on JTV. This is of course a futile exercise in a world of cable and satellite dishes.
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heck - he was his father. It was his reponsibility to make sure it was otherwise , whether or not he envisaged him being king or not. An Arab who does not speak Arabic is pitiful. An Arab prince even more so. A Hashemite who does not have command of his language .
Gee, Shelley, what do you really think about this subject?!

Why aren't Jordanians outraged by this? Or are they, but unable to speak out? I live in the States, and if we ever had a President who didn't speak English fluently (er, well, we kind of do! :)), people would be--rightfully, I think--outraged.
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UNITED NATIONS, UNITED NATIONS: King Abdullah II, of Jordan and Nane Annan, wife of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan pose with the Franklin Delano Roosevelt International Disability Award 23 March, 2005 at the UN in New York. King Abdullah II accepted the award on behalf of his country, being honored for its exemplary efforts to improve the lives of persons with disabilities. One of the first Middle East countries to enact disability legislation and introduce building codes aimed at accessibility, Jordan has been carrying out a wide range of activities aimed at its disability community. AFP PHOTO/DON EMMERT (Photo credit should read DON EMMERT/AFP/Getty Images)
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About King Abdullah not speaking Arabic very well, I knew he wasn't very good at it but I didnt think he was very bad either. I wonder why he didnt make any effort to improve his skills when he became King. He could've taken lessons. The fact that he didnt bother to do so makes me think that it wasn't that important to him. I wouldn't buy the argument that he was too old to do so. Take for example Princesses Alexandra and Mary of Denmark. They were both from linguistic cultures completely different from Denmark and yet both of them learned Danish.
Its even worse for King Abdullah to not know Arabic properly because he doesnt have the excuse of being a foreigner.
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