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Old 11-28-2004, 06:58 PM
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No body knows for sure the real reason behind stripping Hamzah the title of Crown prince,I'm sure he was doin a great job and everyone knew that for sure. I can't understand either what HM ment by "I have decided to free you from the constraints of the position of Crown Prince in order to give you the
freedom to work and undertake any mission or responsibility I
entrust you with",but anyway no matter what the reason was,I hope it's for his own benefit&his own sake. (3sa an takrahu shay2an wa howa kheirun lakum). I'm still in a state of shock,nobody can believe what happend. As for who's gonna be named CP now,It's probably Prince Hussien (as the constitution states){Prince Hussien the elder son of the King will be named CP IF the king didn't name any of his brothers(and It's probably gonna be Faisal if not Hussien,or u never know maybe Ali!}

Anyway It happend sooner than we all expected,we knew this was gonna happen but at least not now,maybe after Hamzah and Noor have their first child! Anyway Again,Whether he's the crown prince or isn't , he's still Hamzah bin-Al Hussien,Who we love dearly and will always love dearly and I'm sure he will always do whatever best serves the country and the King (alla yehmeek ya rub)
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Old 11-28-2004, 06:59 PM
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Let's just wait and see for other developments to occur, like the naming of the new Crown Prince before jumping to conclusions and passing judgements on the King and Queen.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:03 PM
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If he wanted he could expand the role of crown prince to accomadate hamzah's desire.
i've read the letter for the X time, i think that I undertood now, this is the reason:

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Our beloved father King Hussein, may God rest His Soul, had
reaffirmed to us before he passed away the importance of adhering to
the honorary concept of the position of Crown Prince and we have
abided by that throughout the past five years. Your holding this
symbolic position has restrained your freedom and hindered our
trusting you with certain responsibilities that you are fully
qualified to undertake.
it was KH desire to keep the CP position as honorary (may be he did not want the case of P hassan to be repeated) and as KA could not keep it just honorary more than 5 years and wants to give P hamza duties, he stripped him from the CP position. Now it make sense for me. hopefully it will be true and we can see what responsibilties will hamzah be given, the future will tell.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:06 PM
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Actually, this is the best thing that could ever happen to Hamzah. Given the precarious state of the region, it is best for him and his mother, brother and sisters to get as far away as possible and move on with their lives. It is better for this to have happened to him while he is young and can actually have a future versus having it happen like Hassan or the ex King of Greece Constantine. Constantine has never found a purpose in life and that is not something that I would wish on anyone.
As for Jordan and the King and Queen, I see a repeat of the Pahlavi dynasty.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:19 PM
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Actually, this is the best thing that could ever happen to Hamzah. Given the precarious state of the region, it is best for him and his mother, brother and sisters to get as far away as possible and move on with their lives. It is better for this to have happened to him while he is young and can actually have a future versus having it happen like Hassan or the ex King of Greece Constantine. Constantine has never found a purpose in life and that is not something that I would wish on anyone.
As for Jordan and the King and Queen, I see a repeat of the Pahlavi dynasty.
You have a point. P. Hamzah is now free to do whatever he wants to. I'm sure he will appear publicly within the next few days to put a good spin on KA's decision. Q Rania must be a very happy camper now. There is nothing standing between her son becoming the next King of Jordan. As for them becoming like the Pahlavis - it would be quite stupid of them to allow that to happen. After mingling with this deposed family for so many years, QR and KA still haven't gotten the message yet.
I'm sure the U.S is peeved at KA's decision now that the son of American-born Q Noor will not be King. Whatever we think, the Constitution rules, and Q Rania's son is by right the heir to the Jordanian throne. I think they just used Hamzah as convenience, but eventually what goes around comes around.

I wish P. Hamzah and P. Noor success in their endeavours. Q Rania should look at Q. Noor hope and pray that she will never end up her Q. Noor's situation - a woman without a country.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:22 PM
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The B.S. explanation given in the Jordan Times 11/29/2004:

Prince Hamzah to assume new duties

'I have decided to free you from the constraints of the position of Crown Prince in order to give you the freedom to work and undertake any mission or responsibility I entrust you with, alongside with all our brothers, the sons of Al Hussein, and other members of the Hashemite Family,' King tells Prince in letter AMMAN (JT) His Majesty King Abdullah on Sunday sent a letter to HRH Prince Hamzah, freeing him from the constraints of the honorary position of Crown Prince.

Following is an official translation of King Abdullah's letter to Prince Hamzah:

In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate

Your Royal Highness My Dear Brother Prince Hamzah Ben Al Hussein, May God keep you,

I am pleased to extend to you my very best greetings and most sincere wishes for continued health, happiness and success, and to express my deepest affection and highest esteem to you as a brother, a Hashemite Prince and a sincere Jordanian soldier, keen to selflessly perform the call of duty.

I have known these traits in you since you started your journey of giving to our beloved country. I chose you personally five years ago from amongst all my brothers, including those who are older than you, to be Crown Prince and to be my support whenever necessary.

I have been eager since I came to the Throne of our beloved Jordan to reflect the true meaning of the position of Crown Prince as it is stated in the Constitution. This position is an honorary one that does not entail any authority or any responsibility.

Our beloved father King Hussein, may God rest his soul, had reaffirmed to us before he passed away the importance of adhering to the honorary concept of the position of Crown Prince and we have abided by that throughout the past five years.

Your holding of this symbolic position has restrained your freedom and hindered our entrusting you with certain responsibilities that you are fully qualified to undertake.

And because the country needs the efforts of each and every one of us to work with utmost energy and capability especially during these difficult circumstances which the region and our beloved Jordan are going through, I have decided to free you from the constraints of the position of Crown Prince in order to give you the freedom to work and undertake any mission or responsibility I entrust you with, alongside with all our brothers, the sons of Al Hussein, and other members of the Hashemite family.

I trust that you will be a great help and support to me and to your brothers in the service of our beloved country and our one big Jordanian family.

As for the position of Crown Prince, I will continue, guided by the Constitution and the good of our beloved Jordan and our noble Hashemite message, to give it my sincere attention.

I ask God to keep you and save you and give you success in the service of our dear country.

Peace and God's mercy and blessing be upon you

Your Brother
Abdullah Ben Al Hussein

Amman
15 Shawwal 1425 Hijri
28 November 2004
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:27 PM
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I would be most interested to hear Q. Noor's reaction to this news.

Also, P. Hassan's reaction.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:27 PM
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I am too curious to know the new duties, especially that hamzah still at school, it will take some time to start.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:29 PM
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I would be most interested to hear Q. Noor's reaction to this news.
dun u think KA might do the same to her?
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:30 PM
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I would be most interested to hear Q. Noor's reaction to this news.
me too , what she did to make him marrying a hashimite when he still a student gone with the wind.

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dun u think KA might do the same to her?
what do you mean?
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:35 PM
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me too , what she did to make him marrying a hashimite when he still a student gone with the wind.
Yea he was only 19 when he was named crown prince and he spent 5 years of his life ( I must say the most beautiful 5 years of anyones life),serving and acting as A crown prince,he worked so hard and he probably didn't enjoy his time as any other guy in his age,and then when he turnewd 24 he got married,maybe u never know this wud give him the chance to spend better quality of time with his wife and his future small family,everything in this life happens for a reason...I believe in this so much.
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me too , what she did to make him marrying a hashimite when he still a student gone with the wind.
Do you think they will now divorce? We'll see in time whether this was a love match or a power play.
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what do you mean?
I hope not though :( (I ment do u think KA would strip QN her title?)

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Do you think they will now divorce? We'll see in time whether this was a love match or a power play.
Of course not,I dun think so,they only have been married for a few months,and Princess Noor doesn't look like the type that wud give up on Hamzah at this time,and I dun think hamzah is that type either.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:41 PM
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I hope not though :( (I ment do u think KA would strip QN her title?)
can he? but I don't think so, it was given to her by king hussain and it will be too much if he did, he will look very bad then.
But i don't know if he can do that.

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Do you think they will now divorce? We'll see in time whether this was a love match or a power play.
it was said that they were in love, i think any power play was extra in addition to love.
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it was said that they were in love, i think any power play was extra in addition to love.
Plus if they were in love the title shudn't matter!
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:58 PM
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I don't think P. Noor will leave Hamzah. I don't think she was naive enough to think that Hamzah would actually be King one day.

I think that most of us are not surprised with the fact that Hamzah is now stripped of his title but with the timing. Many of us had already speculated that P. Hussein would inherit the throne and that it was only a matter of time. Few would have thought that it would be so soon.

What I don't understand, however, is that if Abdullah wants his son to be Crown Prince with one of his brother's acting as a "temporary" Crown Prince, why not just keep Hamzah and reduce his title? It seems Abdullah didn't just want to change succession but also kick Q. Noor and her family out of Jordan for good.
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It is easier to remove him now. The longer he would wait, the more admiration and respect Hamzah could possibly attain from the Jordanians. It would then become impossible should Abdullah want the crown to go to his own son.
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I don't think P. Noor will leave Hamzah. I don't think she was naive enough to think that Hamzah would actually be King one day.

I think that most of us are not surprised with the fact that Hamzah is now stripped of his title but with the timing. Many of us had already speculated that P. Hussein would inherit the throne and that it was only a matter of time. Few would have thought that it would be so soon.

What I don't understand, however, is that if Abdullah wants his son to be Crown Prince with one of his brother's acting as a "temporary" Crown Prince, why not just keep Hamzah and reduce his title? It seems Abdullah didn't just want to change succession but also kick Q. Noor and her family out of Jordan for good.
wasn't KA close to P Iman? he named his daughter after her. I don't understand why he wants to punish QN's children. it is
not their faulty they were born. trying to get rid of them by driving them out of the country is just low...very low.
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Old 11-28-2004, 08:11 PM
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What I don't understand, however, is that if Abdullah wants his son to be Crown Prince with one of his brother's acting as a "temporary" Crown Prince, why not just keep Hamzah and reduce his title?
what do you mean by keeping hamza and reducing his title? he is either a CP or not a CP , there is no reduced form of that.
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If Abdullah wants to name Hussein as his Crown Prince he will have to name someone older than him as a temporary crown prince just in case Abdullah is assasinated or what not and Hussein is too young to take the throne.

What I'm saying is if Abdullah does want to have Hussein as Crown Prince why not let Hamzah be the temporary crown prince? Most likely we will see Prince Faisal as the temporary and Hussein as the Crown Prince. I think this shows Abdullah's fear of Q. Noor and P. Hamzah getting too powerful.
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