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Old 11-28-2004, 04:18 PM
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The jordanian law gives Abdallah II the right to choose the crown prince.
But I feel as it was so difficult to write that message to P. Hamza ... and give reasons for his decision. I can't understand yet the honorary position of the crown prince.
Does this means that next crown prince will be also honorary?
Does this will be explained to next crown prince, if he is one of the king's brothers?

I hope this will be clarified forever to not hurt anyone.
I heard that since abdallah II has married rania (palestinian origin), he gets love of ppl in jordan. So P. hussein by being a child of a palestinian mother will make him a loved king!
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:20 PM
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Angry

it happened earlier than expected.

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Your holding this symbolic position has restrained your freedom and hindered our trusting you with certain responsibilities that you are fully qualified to undertake.
And because the country needs the efforts of each and every one of us to work with utmost energy and capability especially during these difficult circumstances which the region and our beloved Jordan are going through,I have decided to free you from the constraints of he position of Crown Prince in order to give you the freedom to work and undertake any mission or responsibility I entrust you with, along side with all our brothers, the sons of Al Hussein, and other members of the Hashemite Family. I trust that you will be a great help and support to me and to your brothers in the service of our beloved country and our one big Jordanian Family.
what new reponibilities KA will give to him, and i don't know how CP position can constrain freedom to take any mission? any body have an idea?
and how do all of that related to the difficult circumstances of the region?
I don't understand any thing:( .
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:33 PM
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when P. hamza was expected to finish his school?
I think it was a good time to annouce that, since P. Hamza was studying abroad and not being seen often in jordan.
It will be difficult if Hamza is back and appearing frequently with the king.

If P. Hussein will be crown prince, do you think king abdallah will change the jordanian constitution that the crown prince will be only the eldest son of the king?

Do you think is this what he is preparing now before he will announce his son as crown prince?
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:35 PM
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do you thank that KA may chose P.Ali for the position ???!! or just his son? or no body??!!
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:39 PM
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do you thank that KA may chose P.Ali for the position ???!! or just his son? or no body??!!
Maybe no one, at the end it's only a honorary position
A brother in that position will not dream to be a king, so there is no need to be crown prince
who left? his son of course.
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:41 PM
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do you thank that KA may chose P.Ali for the position ???!! or just his son? or no body??!!
Under the constitution, P. Al-Hussein is the heir to the throne unles the King says otherwise. I think KA will adopt the Moroccan arrangement. P. Al-Hussein will be Crown Prince. P. Faisal will be the Regent in the King's absence. P. Faisal will continue to serve as Regent until P. Al-Hussein comes of age and can assume those responsibilities.
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:50 PM
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I'm not surprised. I bet you it's because Q. Rania is having another son. KA wants to ensure that the center of power remains with them, and does not pass to his brother. I was surprised that P. Hamzah would rush so far home for just a "few days vacation". You travel 5,000 miles to rest for a couple of weeks of vacation, not a few days. He knew it was coming, I think he was summoned home.

If being CP is seriously hindering his education and "freedom of movement" then he must be doing poorly in his studies. I hope that now that he is "free" he can complete his education without interruption.

I still don't buy the explanation KA gave.
I totally agree with you Bluetortuga...I do not buy KA's explanation either.....He wants to get rid of him soon so as to prepare everybody: the family and the people...QR must be VERY happy now...
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:56 PM
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...Just a few years ago Abdullah told a reporter that he and Hamzah would not fall into the Hussein-Hassan trap. They both seemed as if they truly wanted to make the relationship work. I'm so disappointed. I think Hamzah would have made a wonderful king, better than Abdullah at least.
I don't know why that happens , is it just because the people loved Hassan and Hamza?!:( they were the best . P.Ali is popular, but p. Hussein still young to be known, P Faisal is popular but is old for this position.
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:57 PM
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KA and QR could have long discussions when to remove P. Hamza.
This has happened today.
So I don't think they will have another brother as crown prince, and KA and QR will start discussion again.

P. Hamza is removed, P. Hussein will repalce him. For sure QR will be happy.

If this will be announced soon, there will be a ceremony for that?
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Old 11-28-2004, 04:58 PM
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i doubt therer will be a ceremony and i doubt abdullah will name hussein as his heir soon. it will probably be announced on his birthday or something so as to make it seem completely natural.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:04 PM
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Oh our dear prince hamzah, we are so sad, we know that you would have been a wonderful king. I think you know now how P. Hassan had felt someday. I hope it won't be so hard.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:08 PM
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I'm really disappointed in King Abdullah for completely disregarding his dying father's wishes and stripping Hamzah of his role as Crown Prince and future King. It's not surprising that he has chosen to grant the title to his own son, but it is disappointing, especially since it seemed to me that Hamzah had real potential and a sincere earnestness about him to do well for the Jordanian people. And his wife Noor seemed like someone who would be able to help him achieve these things, rather than being someone who hop scotched around the world in designer clothes, but someone who would take on the sort of responsibilities Queen Noor did in her last decade as Queen.

I wonder how much time it will take before the role of Crown Prince is not merely an "honourable position" again, but one with real power and responsibilities.

The part about allowing Hamzah greater freedom because the role of CP hindered him is a load of crock, if you ask me. If it is such a burden to bear, why pass such a burden onto your very own son? Couldn't King Abdullah have come up with a better reason to outst his brother?

This whole matter reeks of a power play to outst Queen Noor and her family out of Jordan, not merely out of being in position of power in the far future.

I wonder if there is some jealousy on King Abdullah and Queen Rania's part that within the next decade, had Hamzah remained Crown Prince, he and Noor would've gained in their popularity as they took on more work within Jordan and started their own family.

Everyday I loose a bit more respect for this King and Queen and their various shenanigans.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:13 PM
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I'm really disappointed in King Abdullah for completely disregarding his dying father's wishes and stripping Hamzah of his role as Crown Prince and future King. It's not surprising that he has chosen to grant the title to his own son, but it is disappointing, especially since it seemed to me that Hamzah had real potential and a sincere earnestness about him to do well for the Jordanian people. And his wife Noor seemed like someone who would be able to help him achieve these things, rather than being someone who hop scotched around the world in designer clothes, but someone who would take on the sort of responsibilities Queen Noor did in her last decade as Queen.

I wonder how much time it will take before the role of Crown Prince is not merely an "honourable position" again, but one with real power and responsibilities.

The part about allowing Hamzah greater freedom because the role of CP hindered him is a load of crock, if you ask me. If it is such a burden to bear, why pass such a burden onto your very own son? Couldn't King Abdullah have come up with a better reason to outst his brother?

This whole matter reeks of a power play to outst Queen Noor and her family out of Jordan, not merely out of being in position of power in the far future.

I wonder if there is some jealousy on King Abdullah and Queen Rania's part that within the next decade, had Hamzah remained Crown Prince, he and Noor would've gained in their popularity as they took on more work within Jordan and started their own family.

Everyday I loose a bit more respect for this King and Queen and their various shenanigans.
KA just got 30 million euros in the bank from Luxembourg. I guess he feels he has now that he has more cash, he can do whatever he wants to. It's a shame it has come to this; the truth will come out eventually.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:17 PM
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Do you think foreign interference had any role in this decision? Hassan is largely suspected to have been removed because he was seen as too anti-Western and the US convinced Hussein to change succession. Could such a thing have happened again?
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:18 PM
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why the threads were merged? i think i prefer to have a seperate thread for stripping hamzah to refer to it easily in the future.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:22 PM
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I am terribly disappointed that King Abdullah disregarded the late King Hussein's dying wish. The saddest part is that Hamzah seems as though he would have made a wonderful king and his Noor a wonderful queen.

What a terrible disappointment!

What is the likelihood that King Abdullah might change his mind in the future? Also, how do people in the Middle East feel about this change in succession?
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:30 PM
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The members said it for months, and I didn't believe it, but now I do. Sad really. I don't think PA is going to be named crowned prince, I think it will go to PF. What's with this whole honorary thing? I don't understand this. I agree with whomever said better now, than years down the line, but still, it just seems wrong somehow.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:33 PM
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The jordanian law gives Abdallah II the right to choose the crown prince.
But I feel as it was so difficult to write that message to P. Hamza ... and give reasons for his decision. I can't understand yet the honorary position of the crown prince.
the CP does not have any official duties, it is just having a promise to be a king in the future, but i do not think the position prevents him from taking other reponibilites and positions. does any body know if it is?
i think P hassan was having a title in the army when he was CP , being CP did not prevent that. and as I know the princes can not have civil positions so what are the duties to be given to Hamzah?
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all this talk about wanting to give hamzah more freedom is bogus. Abdullah is KING, for God's sake! If he wanted he could expand the role of crown prince to accomadate hamzah's desire. seriously with the money the JRF spend on public relations they could have come up with something better than this.
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Old 11-28-2004, 05:39 PM
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all this talk about wanting to give hamzah more freedom is bogus. Abdullah is KING, for God's sake! If he wanted he could expand the role of crown prince to accomadate hamzah's desire. seriously with the money the JRF spend on public relations they could have come up with something better than this.
he even does not have to expand the role , P Hassan was doing many things beside when he was CP, I don't think the CP title prevents that.
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