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To everyone who says ...don't touch the dead animal... How do you meat meat? Steaks are usually dead by the time they hit the plate.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:41 PM
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I think there is a difference in touching meat and in touching an animal that just has been shot dead.

I wonder why these royals are so keen on sticking to their hunting, it certainly is very bad PR, remember the Queen of England breaking the neck of a bird et all? Is hunting in Denmark still considered rather normal? In my own country there are usually action groups protesting every now and then against hunting and agaiinst the RF hunting. But as the Danish RF does it so openly I gather that in Denmark the hunt is not as much of an issue?

And I agree it is a tradition et all, but traditions change over time. A century ago it was a tradition in royal circles to strickly marry royalty, that certainly has changed over the years too .

That they actually take a small kid to see the spoils of their hunt and thus are probably teaching him that it is fun to kill animals (sure they eat the animals, but still they hunt for fun, it would be much cheaper to get some meat from the local supermarket than to organise such a hunting party) is rather telling, in a way that they don't see that there is anything wrong with it and just pass their fascinatioin in killing animals to the next generation.

What I find curious is how willing the new wives of these crownprices are to comply and attend these things. Most of them are modern girls who culturally would have problems with the killing of animals, but here Mary is...with her son! Mind you, she is not the only one, Maxima went looking too and I suppose other ladies are doing the same thing. In overall very disappointing.
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:53 PM
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That they actually take a small kid to see the spoils of their hunt and thus are probably teaching him that it is fun to kill animals (sure they eat the animals, but still they hunt for fun, it would be much cheaper to get some meat from the local supermarket than to organise such a hunting party) is rather telling, in a way that they don't see that there is anything wrong with it and just pass their fascinatioin in killing animals to the next generation.
I don't want to start a discussion here but there is much more about hunting than killing animals for fun. Thousands of people hunt and it does serve a purpose, has always done. Whether the hunting attitude of the DRF is respectful or not I don't know but it's much too easy and very ignorant to condemn this type of hunting as an old fashioned royal tradition that urgently needs to change.
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:06 PM
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Sure, some people hunt because they have it as a job to keep the population of animals at a certain levels, others hunt because they have to provide in a living and getting meat that way is doing so, but the rich people of this world don't do it for those reasons, so as far as I can see there is only one reason left: fun.

Why is it ignorant to ask for the royal hunt to stop? It is a perfectly normal thing to believe and many people do so. Not only the royal hunt btw.
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:18 PM
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Sure, some people hunt because they have it as a job to keep the population of animals at a certain levels, others hunt because they have to provide in a living and getting meat that way is doing so, but the rich people of this world don't do it for those reasons, so as far as I can see there is only one reason left: fun.
I think we might have misunderstood each other. I meant that hunting is not equal to killing animals for fun. Whether the DRF is able to live up to this standard I cannot judge.

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Why is it ignorant to ask for the royal hunt to stop? It is a perfectly normal thing to believe and many people do so.
I meant hunting in general and there should be no difference between royals hunting and average people hunting. I found it ignorant to say that hunting is just killing animals for fun, simply because it's not true. Killing animals is only one of many facettes of hunting and if it's done for fun there is something seriously wrong with the hunter.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:17 PM
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It is the image that shocks me! To see the face of the animal, to hunt just for sport, not to hunt to eat, not hunting because they need to eat to be alive. That's how nature must be and to me it doesn't sound like it is the case.
No Christian should't be there to see that inappropriate show
I TOTALLY agree with you
Christian is a kid !!! he must go to the park, play with his toys, go to de zoo... is a KID!!
He shouldn't be there to see that poor animals
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:24 PM
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How come Nikolai and Felix don't go on the hunts too? I guess Joachim prefers agriculture to hunting?
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How come Nikolai and Felix don't go on the hunts too? I guess Joachim prefers agriculture to hunting?
The two aren't mutually exclusive - Joachim hosted a hunt in Gråsten Statsskovdistrikt (state forrest district), closer to Schackenborg, at the fifth of November according to Kongehuset.dk

As to the debate on how hunting is for fun and whatnot, the Danish office for Forestry and Nature have ethical guidelines on hunting.

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All hunting should have a purpose. Hunting shall be more than simply killing animals. Retrieved animals shall be gathered and used.

All hunting shall happen in accordance with the current legislation, and in a manner that is safe, and the game should be killed quickly and effectively, thus avoid suffering.

All hunting shall be done according to a biological reasonable foundation, which ensures that the hunted game only is a part of the natural surplus. Any doubt whatsoever on this, shall be in favour of the animal.
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The DRF do indeed eat what they hunt and fish, so it isn't just for the sport.
Do people really eat fox ?? I thought that was one of the things we didn't eat ??
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:13 PM
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To everyone who says ...don't touch the dead animal... How do you meat meat? Steaks are usually dead by the time they hit the plate.

Well, I don't eat red meat and I am about to give up chicken, turkey, lamb, as well as fish starting Jan 1, 2008.

I don't approve of this royal hunt thing; however, I understand that it is a cultural thing -- thus the norm. Furthermore, I do understand that in some countries hunting is used to control the wild animal population.

So, what are you gonna do? I certainly don't approve, but I'm not going to shoot down/lecture my feelings about it to those who do.
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Do people really eat fox ?? I thought that was one of the things we didn't eat ??
I'm not 100% sure, but none of the reports I've seen from the DRF and hunting indicate that they hunt fox, as any sort of common measure. The so-called fox-hunt (Hubertusjagt) that take place in Copenhagen every year: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...tml#post140965
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Although it’s called a hunt and participants are clad in scarlet riding jackets, the ‘fox’ in this case is symbolised by a pretend fox’s tail which is pinned to the shoulder of one of the leading riders.
Prince Henrik seems to prefer to hunt with the purpose of putting it on the table, as can be seen in his cookbooks.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:50 PM
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Do people really eat fox ?? I thought that was one of the things we didn't eat ??
You are right lyndaW. Foxes are usually shot 1) to control their population and 2) because they are often responsible for disease transmission (rabies, tapeworm).

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As to the debate on how hunting is for fun and whatnot, the Danish office for Forestry and Nature have ethical guidelines on hunting.

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All hunting should have a purpose. Hunting shall be more than simply killing animals. Retrieved animals shall be gathered and used.

All hunting shall happen in accordance with the current legislation, and in a manner that is safe, and the game should be killed quickly and effectively, thus avoid suffering.

All hunting shall be done according to a biological reasonable foundation, which ensures that the hunted game only is a part of the natural surplus. Any doubt whatsoever on this, shall be in favour of the animal.
Thanks for posting these guidelines norwegianne. This is how it should be and I am sure that the DRF will stick to these guidelines since they hunt in public and a scandal could arise (and hopefully does) if they don't act accordingly.
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Do people really eat fox ?? I thought that was one of the things we didn't eat ??
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I thought I saw a very dead fox layed-out for everyone to admire among the deer.....perhaps my eyes are not what they use to be. I do realiaze certain animals carry all kinds of problems and they do need to be kept in check. For instance those adorable funny squirrels have fleas, ticks, and possibly rabies the same goes for nutria's and rats and mice.
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I think Mary looked amazing, Christian looked very cute and Carina looked great. Frederik & Henrik are a big no no for me. I can't say much about the outfits of the Duke and Duchess of Calabria, because there is't a good picture of their outfits.
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How come Nikolai and Felix don't go on the hunts too? I guess Joachim prefers agriculture to hunting?
Yes that is an appropriate question! We never see them in these hunts!!!!

And also... those images of people admiring dead animals, shocks me. Do people should admire dead animals after a hunt?? That's part of the sport to!! that's very cruel. But O.K...they are royals and hunting is a part of a tradition and tradition speaks higher than other values.
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And also... those images of people admiring dead animals, shocks me. Do people should admire dead animals after a hunt?? That's part of the sport to!! that's very cruel. But O.K...they are royals and hunting is a part of a tradition and tradition speaks higher than other values.
Well i guess they are proud of their catch, I mean who wouldnt be after a day of hunting maybe or maybe not get anything. Ex, when you buy something new, and go home, dont you look at what youve gotten? to me this is the same
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:59 AM
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I thought I saw a very dead fox layed-out for everyone to admire among the deer.....perhaps my eyes are not what they use to be. I do realiaze certain animals carry all kinds of problems and they do need to be kept in check. For instance those adorable funny squirrels have fleas, ticks, and possibly rabies the same goes for nutria's and rats and mice.
No, I think you are rigth LyndaW - I think I saw a fox too in one of the pics (even though I know that my eyes are definitely not what they used to be )
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Thanks MissSaga. We can't say that about Hendrik or Frederik (Hendriks outfit and Frederiks pants - what were they thinking. OMG.)
Frederik's outfit - In the fall here, that is a regular outfit as all the hunters congregate before heading out to hunt. Lots and lots of cammo.
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Frederik's outfit - In the fall here, that is a regular outfit as all the hunters congregate before heading out to hunt. Lots and lots of cammo.
Are these camouflage trousers. The one he wore at his solo hunting event looked much more like one, more like a common hunting outfit.
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Was Gustav there? I think it's wonderful that Carina is accepted as practically a member of the family, and treated as if she were already Gustav's wife Kudos to the DRF for that :)

I love Henrik's furry cap Christian looks so adorable with his little hood and red coat. Is the hood attached to a sweater? I remember him wearing something similar at last year's hunt.
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