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Old 03-28-2012, 06:32 PM
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I don't mind them crouching or kneeling in front of a child, but I do not like them invading a child's personal space, especially for a photo op. I cannot think of anything worse than some strange adult getting right in my face with myriad camera flashes going off.

It must be scary as hell when the people that are supposed to look after you are standing there looking like a bunch of blissed out stunned mullets while strangers loom in your face. . . well what's a child to do? Just give the posy or flag and hope they go away soon.
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Like everything else, I would guess how a royal interacts with children depends on the situation. If a child looks fearful or hesitant and just wants to hand the bouquet to a royal and back off, or seems reluctant to interact with him/her, the last thing is to try to stop the child, or crouch down and attempt to invade their space. But when you have a child who is smiling and seems excited to be there, calling your name, trying to get your attention, then that's a different story. I would think, though, that bending down to a child, without encroaching upon their personal space, so he/she doesn't have a long distance to look up at you is courteous and doesn't present yourself as the overpowering, authoritative adult.

The one indelible image that always stays in my mind is seeing that little girl, Diamond, who was a cancer patient giving Kate a bouquet that windy day at an airport in Canada. She just thrust it in her hands, quickly backed off and retreated, but then turned around and threw herself in Kate's arms. She did that of her own initiative and accord, obviously overcoming her extreme shyness and perhaps awe, so you just don't know how children will react.
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I don't know if bending down to kids' level is the best way to do it or not. No two children are the same. Sometimes kids look petrified of royals and on other occasions it's the exact opposite - like the time a little girl of about 2 demanded that Charles lift her up in his arms so she could have a birds eye view of what he was looking at. Needless to say Charles did as he was told and gave her a lift around the room.

It would be tough to expect the older royals to bend down to children's level when meeting them.
Well, there you have it. It's not a hard and fast rule - of course not. Just in general having an adult face suddenly hovering inches away is not the kind of contact a child is fancying - and its difficult to watch a young royal misgauge the receptiveness of a child and then not to know what to do when things unravel a bit - which I've been seeing with one young royal (not Mary). Its a simple lack of experience and not a reflection on them in a personal way at all.

What's happening, I think, is that its considered 'cute' to have a princess interact with kids - not for any reason other than its good PR and a good photo-op. But I think its an area that I think should be handled gingerly - for a host of reasons. Best to stay upright and regal - a distant glory - that's plenty enough - and when the occasional extrovert child veers into view, take them up on it.

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I've noticed most of the younger generation of princesses kneel/crouch/bend, etc. when talking to children and it always seems awkward and unnecessary to me. They're kids - they're used to being short!
Yes, exactly. The act of coming down to them is an intimate gesture. Its a matter of degree. We all know the baby gurgling and happy at one distance and aghast and crying at closer quarters.


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I don't mind them crouching or kneeling in front of a child, but I do not like them invading a child's personal space, especially for a photo op. I cannot think of anything worse than some strange adult getting right in my face with myriad camera flashes going off.

It must be scary as hell when the people that are supposed to look after you are standing there looking like a bunch of blissed out stunned mullets while strangers loom in your face. . . well what's a child to do? Just give the posy or flag and hope they go away soon.
You have said it well - and who I feel sorry for is the young woman who has been convinced by someone or by herself that it is the way to go. I just feel for her. I've seen one young royal get into a pickle about twice and its so uncomfortable to watch because she doesn't know when to cut her losses and move on. I wish someone would talk to her and clue her in. (Once she's a mother and she gains some experience in that way I think it will get normailzed - maybe). It would save her a lot of dodgy moments if she weren't so aggressive. I think there is this thought that it 'proves' something about someone - good with children - when it really doesn't. Children - like kittens and puppies - can like ax murderers - its not a litmus test of worthiness or of good character.
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I have never seen any Princess encroaching an a child's personal space. All I have seen is a tall woman bending down to a child's level so they won't feel so intimidated. Most stay back and wait for the child to come to them. It's a similar thing I see teachers and child care professionals do.
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I do not read up much of Charles and Camilla when they are at events in the Uk but do so when they are overseas. This trip must have been the most that Charles looked so pleasant and happy in my opinion. On the day of their arrival I felt he was totally enchanted with Mary.
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in my opinion, Denmark was the worst out of the three countries. I genuinely thought there's a strange vibe about this visit, but I might be the only one who thinks like that :)
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Charles is always charming when meeting and greeting other royal women especially. I wouldn't read anything else into it than that.
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:34 AM
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in my opinion, Denmark was the worst out of the three countries. I genuinely thought there's a strange vibe about this visit, but I might be the only one who thinks like that :)
I thought it was exactly the opposite. They all seemed to be so utterly relaxed and interacted very well.

Prince Consort Henrik Of Denmark Camilla Duchess Of

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Oh yes, definitely hamming it up for the cameras!! Really difficult when you are ill at ease,

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in my opinion, Denmark was the worst out of the three countries. I genuinely thought there's a strange vibe about this visit, but I might be the only one who thinks like that :)
I agree. They seemed enjoy their time the most in Norway, it was something like happy family reunion.
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^exactly, I thought Norway was the best too. everything about it seemed very genuine and relaxed :)

I'm not saying they were unhappy in Denmark, but something seemed off to me
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Summary of a number of articles in Billed Bladet #13, 2012.
Written by Annelise Weimann. Marianne Singer, Henrik Salling and the Ulrik Ulriksen.

Saturday.
C&C arrived in Copenhagen Airport at 15.30, where they were recieved by M&F. Prince Charles charmed Mary by giving her a (correct) kiss on her hand. Before all four drove to Amalienborg.

16.45. After having been shown their rooms at Amalienborg, Prince Charles decided to have a look at Copenhagen. He and a couple of bodyguards went for a stroll to Kastellet, which is located almost a kilometre from Amalienborg.
- He must have been practically incognito, because I haven't seen this being mentioned anywhere else but Billed Bladet.

18.00. Prince Charles had requested a meeting with the Danish minister for the Environment, Ida Auken. They met at Amalienborg. That resulted in Denmark getting a seat in work-group sat down by the PoW in order to put forcus on the safety of food products worlds wide. Ida Auken said afterwards: "It worries and concerns the Prince that we might run out of (clean and healthy) food and water. - Prince Charles is a very visonary person and it's like talking to him as with anyone else".
- Ida Auken is not known for being a monarchist.

Sunday.
10.17. Outside the English Church, a number of veterans from the Resistance had shown up to honour the British for the Liberation of Denmark. (The first Allied troops to enter DK after the German forces in Denmark - except Bornholm - had surrendered, were British).
Prince Charles had a chat with the lederly and alas dwindling number of gentlemen. He said: "I should very much have liked to visit your freedom museum (located close to the church), but that must wait for a later visit".

10.40. C&C attended a service in the English Church. That lasted 45 minutes and when they left the church C&C greeted among other John Donaldson and Susan Moody.

11.37. Everybody now went to the small Churchill Park, located next to the church and here a tree was to be planted, partly to mark the jubilee of QEII and partly as a memory of C&C's visit.
However, a fourlegged hoodlum had left a "greeting card" on the pile of dirt, to be shoveled down around the tree. The biological example was hastily removed by an attendant from the church. It was Nigel Rowley who drew Sorteper = the Black Sheep.
That detail being taken care off the tree could be planted and watered appropriatly.

19.23. Prince Charles, escorted by bodyguards was observed strolling across Amalienborg Square from the mansion they were living in, to the mansion that is Mary and Frederik's home.
Duchess Camilla was seen trailing behind.
M&F had been at a swimming event and had hasted home to change for dinner.

Monday.
10.00. C&C accompanied by M&F went to Kastellet, where both couples laid down wreaths in honour of Danish soldiers killed while serving abroad.
Mary looking distinctly elegant.
The inscription on C&C's wreath read: "In perpetual memory, Charles". M&F's wreath was adorned with their monogram.

10.25. Reception with veterans from Afghanistan and their families.

13.15.
C&C arrived in Helsingør and after a stroll throgh the streets and sampling some ice at the oldest icecreme seller in DK they entered Kronborg fortress. Looking appropriatly gloomy in the dense fog.
Here a Shakespeare workshop, under the guidance of two actors from the Royal Shakespeare Company and involving Danish school children was in full swing.
Then it was back to Amalienborg.

20.00 (Not Sunday BB!). The official dinner in honour of C&C. The entire DRF had been mobilized and while they all stood waiting to greet the 64 guests Prince Charles was joking with QMII, leading to her laughing heartily.
Prince Henrik appeared a bit tired, he had flown in from France a few hours before.
Seated at round tables the mood was described as unusually good. Undisturbed by the odd fire, the whole thing ended around 23.00.

Tuesday.
10.30. On this balmy day Mary and Camilla went to a scrapyard to look at some on-location shots that will be a part of the third season of the Killing. This season will have ten episodes. The final scenes will be shot in September, just a few days before the series will be aired in DK.
Here Mary and Camilla met the omnipresent Sofie Gråbøl, who apart from attending the dinner at Amalienborg had also been invited to an event at the British embassy. Here Camilla was presented with a knitted sweater, in the same pattern as the one Sofie Gråbøl is wearing. Sofie Gråbøl lamented that Camilla's sweather was much softer and of better quality that the prop, she's wearing.
Mary greeted warmly and had a chat with Sofie Gråbøl's new partner, Nikolai Lie Kaas, who is to play a PET officer. - With the real ones standing around.
Mary has met him numerous times before.
Camilla was given a thorough tour of the set by Piv Bernth, the new chief for the drama division in DR1, the network producing the Killing.
She said afterwards: "They were very sweet and positive. It's funny, the royals are not the target audience you expect will join in, but so much greater is the pleasure. Prince Charles said that is was Camilla, who introduced him to the series and that it was one of the few things they could agree on watching on TV".

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"It worries and concerns the Prince that we might run out of (clean and healthy) food and water. - Prince Charles is a very visonary person and it's like talking to him as with anyone else".
- Ida Auken is not known for being a monarchist.
Charles should be very proud of Ida Auken saying that, I had never in my life thought she'd say something like that about a member of a royal family

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Prince Henrik appeared a bit tired, he had flown in from France a few hours
Oh that explains why he looked worn out.


Thank you very much for your summary Muhler, it is very much appreciated
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Summary of a number of articles in Billed Bladet #13, 2012.
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Monday.

13.15.
C&C arrived in Helsingør and after a stroll throgh the streets and sampling some ice at the oldest icecreme seller in DK they entered Kronborg fortress. Looking appropriatly gloomy in the dense fog.
Here a Shakespeare workshop, under the guidance of two actors from the Royal Shakespeare Company and involving Danish school children was in full swing.
Then it was back to Amalienborg.
Ehhh, no, BB obviously wasn´t in the church, but after the visit to Kronborg Castle, they visited Sct. Mariæ Kirke, where the organplayer played Buxtehude for them on the Buxtehudeorgan in the church.
C&C were greeted by the Bishop of Helsingør Stift Lise-Lotte Rebel and one of the priests from Sct. Mariæ Kirsten Grønbech Jørgensen.
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^exactly, I thought Norway was the best too. everything about it seemed very genuine and relaxed :)

I'm not saying they were unhappy in Denmark, but something seemed off to me
Perhaps that something which seemed off (at least to me) was the age gap of ~20 years between the (crown)-princes.
It kind of highlighted the absurdity of Prince Charles' situation. Being nearer to the reigning couples than to the cp couples in age, but not in rank. Still waiting for the real job at an age when others have already reigned for decades (in Scandinavia) or think of retirement (non-royals).

But I thought Charles&Camilla really seemed to enjoy their time in Denmark although - quite naturally - looking more tired than e.g. in Norway. And the Danes (including the DRF) welcomed them with great warmth.
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Thanks again Muhler for your time and efforts. I thought the visit every bit as relaxed and enjoyable for all as it was for C&C's time in Norway. It's funny how different people view the same events and get different vibes from those events. I didn't see anything - off - with the visit to Denmark. All the royals have done these kinds of events many times before and nothing was amiss in their interaction with one another. Also I Can just imagine Charles and Camilla arguing over the TV remote. Just like any other normal household.
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Here is an example of why royal visits are awfully good PR, the new york times is running an article on Forbyldsen (I hope I spell it correctly) without mentioning the duchess of Cornwall's fan visit but I am certain someone read about her interest!
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Here is an example of why royal visits are awfully good PR, the new york times is running an article on Forbyldsen (I hope I spell it correctly) without mentioning the duchess of Cornwall's fan visit but I am certain someone read about her interest!
Nice article, and most probably connected to Camilla's newly revealed interest indeed.
As a matter of fact, I'm waiting for the arrival of the DVD set of The Killing I'd ordered: good PR indeed.
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Continuation of C&C's visit. This is about their last day in DK.

Summary of a number of articles in Billed Bladet #14, 2012.
Written by Trine Larsen, Ulrik Ulriksen, Ken Richter & Henrik Salling.

Prince Charles of Frederik went to Avedøre heating plant, which supply a very large segment of the residents of Copenhagen with central heating. Charles had wished to see the plant which is among the most efficient heating plants in the world.
Manager Thomas Dalsgaard said after the visit: "Prince Charles asked many good questions and you can clearly tell that this is a field where he has a great knowledge."

C&C also visited Rud. Rasmussen, which make furnitures by hand and has done so for more than 140 years. Among the designers of the furnitures are Kaare Klint and Hans Jørgen Wegner.
As Prince Charles is very fond of well designed furnitures this had his interest. And as such he was presented with a classic chair to bring back home.

Charles and Frederik also visited the social housing complex Gyldenrisparken, which after a thorough renovation is now a very attractive place to live. The residents are on purpose very mixed with elderly and young families together. The housing complex is also carbon neutral.
200 residents had turned out on this weekday and Prince Charles - as well as Frederik got an enthusiastic reception. Charles took his time chatting with as many as possible.
Last item on the agenda was a visit to the elder centre, which is a part of the complex. Here they saw the fitness room and the billard room, where Frederik challenged Charles to a shot of billard. Sitting at a table with some of the elder users of the centre, Frederik and Charles enjoyed a cucumber sandwich.

In the mean time Camilla and Mary went to Clinical Research Centre. Here patients can volunteer to try new medication, before it is put up for sale. There are sixteen such centres in the world, three of them in DK.
Camilla and Mary got a tour of the place and then they got their bouguets.
The two flowergirls, Phillippa and Amalie had dressed up in their finest ready to present the flowers when Mary and Camilla exited a door.
However, Six year old Phillippa became visbly dissapointed. She had looked forward to presenting her flowers to Mary and not to the other lady (Camilla), so Mary had to offer a few words as comfort.

Then it was off to Jutland.
Where C&C visited VIA University College in the town of Horsens. Here students from 60 nations are busy studying environmentally friendly technologies. (There is a heap of money in that research!)
C&C was also presented to a municipal project about recycling old bicycles. The cycles get a coat of pink paint and there are (almost) as good as new. It amused Charles to learn that EU ministers are supposed to ride those bikes, when there is a summit in Horsens later this year.

Last stop before flying home was the ecological farm Barritskov. A company called Aarstiderne = The Seasons, pack and send boxes with ecological fruit and vegetables to 40.000 Danish homes from here. That interested C&C and indeed they got a couple of boxes with fruits to with them home.

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C&C also visited Rud. Rasmussen, which make furnitures by hand and has done so for more than 140 years. Among the designers of the furnitures are Kaare Klint and Hans Jørgen Wegner*.
As Prince Charles is very fond of well designed furnitures this had his interest. And as such he was presented with a classic chair to bring back home.
I talked to my brother who works there - he actually got to talk with the Prince. (The Crown Prince was supposed to accompany him but that was changed for some reason). First he saw the workshop and was apparantly climbing over the work benches to shake hands with the cabinetmakers asking all sorts of questions.

Afterwards he was going to the the shop, where he would be presented with the Faaborg Chair (and a book about Kaare Klint BTW). There was a "press isle" in the shop where all the journalists stood etc.

However, the BRF doesn't accept private gifts in public, so after the PoW had seen the shop the journalists were ushered out by the PR liason or someone so the Prince could recieve his gift in peace.

What the british PR liason didn't know was, that the PoW wouldn't actually get the chair. Instead wood samples would be sent to Britain and then Charles would decide which to use and the actual chair would come later. And this has all been agreed on when they were going from the workshop to the shop!

So now my brother and his colleague was standing in the press isle and the Prince had nothing to do, so he struck up conversation with the two asking about business, if people payed on time and making small-talk. Behind them a small group of people were standing, and Charles adressed them asking if they also worked in the shop. "Oh, no" they replied. They were PR-people from Carl Hansen & Søn. Charles just sighed - and turned to my brother to resume conversation. He obviously didn't want to talk to press people.

In all my brother found the Prince very charming, interested and adept (in lack of at better word in English). It had been quite an experience.

* This must be a misunderstanding. Rud. Rasmussen does not make any Wegner furniture. Their owners, Carl Hansen & Søn, however, makes quite a few. RR mainly does in Mogens Koch and Kaare Klint and Rud. Rasmussen himself of course.
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