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Old 03-25-2012, 06:21 PM
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Let's have a look at Monday's events shall we?

This is where the part of the visit that officially involves the DRF begins.
At 10.05 C&C accompanied by M&F will visit Kastellet. A part of Copenhagen fortress.
Kastellet, Copenhagen - Kopi.JPG - File Shared from Box - Free Online File Storage
It is still a military area.
Here C&C will meet some of the Danish Afghanistan veterans during a reception afterwards. Danish and British forces have fought together for years in the Helmand province. As such the military ties are close.
Some Danes have served and serve under British command, some Britons have served and serve under Danish command. - During the annual Flag Day, the names of foreign nationals killed while serving under Danish command are read out and honoured. They include Britons (and Baltic nationals).

Kastellet is located not far from Amalienborg and you will notice the Anglican Church, St Albans, which has been discussed so thoroughly today, is located just on the other side of the moat to the south.

Later on, at 13.00. C&C will visit the town of Helsingør. Here they will among other things visit the fortress of Kronborg:
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Perhaps best known from the play Hamlet.
Kronborg is a fortress from the 1500's and it was hyper modern when Shakespeare wrote Hamlet and being a fairly well informed man he would no doubt have heard about the fortress.
There is a similar fortress on the now Swedish side of the sound.
The sound is about 6 kilometres wide and the heavy artillery from both fortresses had a range of about 3 kilometres, thus commanding the shipping lane completely.
The cannons at Kronborg are more than 250 years old and they are considered the oldest working artillery in the world. - Abeit slightly old fashioned.
Unsurprisingly Kronborg is considered THE place to act for Shakespearian actors and there is indeed such a workshop at Kronborg right now.
The last time Kronborg fired it's cannons in anger was in 1807 against English warships.
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:25 PM
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Is anyone from the DRF going with C&C to Kronborg? LOL
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:39 PM
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Is anyone from the DRF going with C&C to Kronborg? LOL
AFAIK, then the CPC will accompany them at least when they visit St. Marys Church

This the church, St. Marys Church, that they are going to visit tomorrow:
Sct. Mariæ Kirke, Helsingør.jpg - File Shared from Box - Free Online File Storage

And here you can see more of the interiour of the church:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_M...r_Frue_Kloster

And the history of the Carmelite Priory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmeli...Helsing%C3%B8r

And the route from Kronborg Castle to the church - according to Google:
The route from Kronborg Castle to Sct. Mariæ Kirke - well, according to Google.jpg - File Shared from Box - Free Online File Storage
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:25 PM
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Hi. I've just read this thread and the discussion about the presence of the Donaldsons at the tree planting - and Charles and Camilla talking to them.

You know, just musing, I'm on this Forum because I had an interest in discussing something to do with a particular personage in the BRF. That done (mostly - it can still erupt upon occasion ) I still hang around because there's some groovy conversations, some very nice people and some very cool topics to discuss with the odd extra half hour or so in a day or week.

Surprises of surprises, too, I've learned stuff and got to 'know' Royal people (sort of) that I would never have given a second thought to (and still don't in my 'normal' life).

However, I have never once for a moment ever felt that Royalty was better than me, different than me, or exclusive from me except in all the normal ways we are removed from each other in life through geography, education, wealth and social circles. That people actually believe that ancient protocols (and blood-lines ) trump current egalitarianism - well

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Old 03-25-2012, 08:32 PM
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What a big kerfluffle over nothing. These are just people. They are only made special by other poeple who give them this mystique, there is nothing more. Who cares what any of the Scandinaivian families did for this or that. I am sure that this visit is a publicity thing and each nation has treated it as they cared to. The Norwegians are closer to the BRF. The Swedes looked somewhat disinterested and the Danes have been very polite. What more can you ask for.
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:56 PM
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Let's have a look at Monday's events shall we?


The last time Kronborg fired it's cannons in anger was in 1807 against English warships.
Are they fired in grins in their faces now?

Thank you for all the information you have provided in the past & for the future.
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:41 PM
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I'm just stunned at the tone of this board concerning the Donaldson's. These are two people who attended the Church service with -- I'm assuming -- other British people who also worship there. Can we assume that the Donaldson's as -- perhaps -- two of the more recognizable and "famous" members of the congregation were invited to take part in the tree planting ceremony? Would it make any difference if they were Mr. & Mrs. Smith from England or a Commonwealth nation who happened to live in Denmark and worship at this Church.

Really people! I cannot imagine that our delightful Daisy would allow her guests to feel as if they've been abandoned and left with the in-laws! :)
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Old 03-25-2012, 11:13 PM
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The problem for me is that we know that the Donaldson's aren't Anglican but Presbyterian. It smacks to me of the Donaldson's being foisted on Charles and Camilla rather than some other Anglican, simply because they are related to Mary. I am sure that there are regular attenders at the church who would have loved the chance but instead Mary's family are involved and they don't live in Denmark nor are they of the Church of England denomination.
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Old 03-25-2012, 11:22 PM
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I find the "controversy" quite amusing, especially since some posters seem to get quite upset about what they believe is right or wrong according to some imagined rules of protocol yet such things don't really seem to bother the royals concerned who just go on their merry way.
I am sure Mr Donaldson did not just appear out of the blue. Either the Church asked him to be there or the palace asked him to be there. He is probably the most prominent of QEII's subjects in Denmark, even if only on a part time basis, and is the father of the Danish Crown Princess as well as himself being a Grand Cross of the Order of Dannebrog.
For some reason this all seems much more upsetting to people outside Denmark than it does to the Danes.
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Old 03-25-2012, 11:26 PM
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The problem for me is that we know that the Donaldson's aren't Anglican but Presbyterian. It smacks to me of the Donaldson's being foisted on Charles and Camilla rather than some other Anglican, simply because they are related to Mary. I am sure that there are regular attenders at the church who would have loved the chance but instead Mary's family are involved and they don't live in Denmark nor are they of the Church of England denomination.
I thought the CoE in Scotland is Presbyterian...if it is, it would make sense that Mr. Donaldson is Presbyterian given his roots but also within the realm of CoE for him to attend the Anglican service. I thought it was a nice gesture for them to be there in any case.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:34 AM
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Yet again in the Danish forum I am accused of saying things that I obviously didn't. I did not accuse the Donaldsons of being grasping social climbers - I quite clearly stated that if the Middletons turned up to this sort of event that is how they would be considered in the UK.

I fail to see what would be so wrong with a Danish representative attending an Anglican service, even if it is for QEII. Lots of foreign royals attended a Lutheran service to celebrate Margrethe's recent jubilee, so why is it that only subjects of QEII are considered appropriate to attend?

On top of that, given Mary has much, much more British blood in her veins than any other member of a European RF, and spent most of her life as a subject of QEII, surely it would have been much more appropriate for her to attend this event?

One thing's for certain - if ever the Queen felt bad about only sending Edward and Sophie to an event in Denmark, this will have set her mind at rest.
I know you did't say they were, but since you brought up the topic, I don't understand why either should be accused of being social climbers. The fact is that both Mary and Catherine's parents are in a unique position of being parents of the future Queen Consorts to future Kings and grandparents to the future Kings or Queens (we'll see when Kate & William have their first child) to the thrones of Denmark and the United Kingdom. The only other people that share that position is the current Monarchs and their consorts. It doesn't matter how high in the social circles of society anyone is placed in either country....the reality is no one else can make that same claim.

The parents may come from humble beginings but they have made something of their lives by their own accomplishments which I admire far more than those born to wealth and titles. In their current position, they are at the very pinacle of society now that their daughters are future Queens and their blood legitimately mingles with that of present and future generations of Royalty. I find it laughable that anyone would consider their being part of any Royal event as "social climbing" when they cleary have every right to be included if that is what their daughters and in-laws want.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:43 AM
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The problem for me is that we know that the Donaldson's aren't Anglican but Presbyterian. It smacks to me of the Donaldson's being foisted on Charles and Camilla rather than some other Anglican, simply because they are related to Mary. I am sure that there are regular attenders at the church who would have loved the chance but instead Mary's family are involved and they don't live in Denmark nor are they of the Church of England denomination.
Obviously, I can't know for sure ... and maybe this isn't the point ... but I can't imagine Prince Charles giving a single thought to Prof. Donaldson's being Presbyterian ... or anything else for that matter. Perhaps the extended family connection is more meaningful: the Donaldsons not being blood relatives or royals, but people whose daughter married into a royal family; the ties to Scotland and Australia, extending into the Commonwealth in such an important year.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:39 AM
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Perhaps the Donaldsons were at the private dinner hosted by Fred and Mary and perhaps they were invited by Charles to attend the Church service with them. It could be as simple as that.
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Having seen photo's of Charles and Camilla greeting the Donaldson's (and looking quite happy to do so I'll add), it would appear that the Donaldson's were presented to the royal couple just before the planting of the tree. Thus, they did not appear to be part of the official entourage, rather, they attended just like many others and also played a minor role in continuing to place soil after the Prince and Duchess had performed their ceremonial duty.

It's also not uncommon for the Presbyterian church to have entered into union with the Anglican church so their presence is in my view, perfectly reasonable.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:58 AM
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She's Australian not British, born in Tasmania and raised there. John Donaldson is Scottish, so has greater ties to the crown and country than Mary.
When Mary was born, her parents were not yet Australian citizens, but still held British passports. So according to the rules in Australia and Britain, she held both nationalities. That made it easier for her to live and travel in the EU before her marriage: she simply used the British passport and travelled as "EU-citizen" from France to Copenhagen, without having to go through immigration and without the need for visa. When she became a Danish citizen, she renounced both citizenships. And I believe she felt both Australian and Scottish at her wedding, with her father wearing a kilt and the sending of her bridal bouquet to Scotland. Plus she invited her Scottish relatives.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:19 AM
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That's a bit odd. Do they have some sort of public position in Denmark?
Not odd at all,they were not there in any official capacity,they live around there and came and watch.So simple...on the continent...

And more from Denmark:

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Old 03-26-2012, 04:41 AM
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Not odd at all,they were not there in any official capacity,they live around there and came and watch.So simple...on the continent...
Plus he is official a Knight Grand Cross of the order of the Dannebrog, which is the highest class available for people not Royal and closely related to the DRF. So probably he is the highest decorated subject of HM in Denmark, apart from maybe the British ambassador, if he, too holds this rank in the order. If such a Knight is not presented to his future king, who else should have the honour?
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:35 AM
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Looking forward to the pics from the gala dinner tonight.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:51 AM
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Looking forward to the pics from the gala dinner tonight.
Which you can watch live from 19.05 on DR1.

The programme is called Aftenshowet. It will feature today's events and also cover at least the guests arriving for the dinner. That should include C&C, M&F and Joachim and our Marie arriving for the dinner.
The dress code is black tie and evening dresses. With most likely a little tiara or two

Camelot, It's omnious to learn that you consider the security threat to W&K to be greater than the threat against Charles and Camilla. Especially against Kate. - Is it the nutcases you fear?

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