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Old 04-26-2016, 09:31 PM
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I think she has stated she will not retire.
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Old 04-26-2016, 09:43 PM
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I meant in terms of life? Like how many years do you think :)
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Old 04-26-2016, 09:45 PM
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That's kind of morbid, isn't it? "How much time do you think Daisy has left?"
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Old 04-27-2016, 12:45 AM
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Apart from quite a bit of pain in her joints I can't see any reason why Daisy can't live on into her eighties or even nineties. Her lifelong habit of smoking might provoke a health condition later on but she seems OK so far.
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Old 04-27-2016, 04:11 AM
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I think we all agree that speculating about someones duration of life - may he or she be ill or not - is not appropriate. We all hope that Queen Margrethe will have a long, happy and healthy life and reign!
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Old 04-27-2016, 04:51 AM
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I think the future of the Danish Royal Family is in great hands. Out of all the RF's I think it's the most secure IMO


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Old 04-27-2016, 05:45 AM
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Having a great personal popularity or esteem even is not the same as being in favour of a monarchy. We may say that Felipe de Borbón or Willem-Alexander van Oranje-Nassau are generally met with goodwill and approval. That does not automatically mean that people are in favour of a monarchy.

But I agree with you: as the situation is as present, Denmark seem a secure monarchy to me.
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:17 AM
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I didn't mean because they are popular etc I believe they are extremely hard working, concerned about worthy causes etc. if you look at what Mary does you can't help but be inspired. But it's not just Mary or Fred I feel sure they way they are bringing up their children they will fulfill their roles as well.


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Old 04-27-2016, 09:02 AM
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BT's front page today:

The Danes in a new Gallup survey:

"Queen Margrethe is strong alone, but Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary would be a better Regent Couple"

I have not had time to buy and read the newspaper properly, so we have to wait for more information until BT are posting an online article (probably later today)

But I think it's about (and it's also my firm impression) that no matter how satisfied we are with Margrethe as Queen many Danes think it's a pain to look at Margrethe now walking lonely around like a solitary majesty to all things. And with Henrik (or the media's treatment of him) giving the DRF quite a big dosis of turmoil quite continuously. More and more Danes think it's time for a generation change now we have a ready, hard working and popular future King and Queen ready. Why not change a tradition if it's for the better? I think more and more Danes thinks like that. And maybe especially after the DRF already has broken one tradition - that a royal member retire.

But let's see when BT post a online-article.
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Old 04-27-2016, 01:56 PM
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thank you Roskilde. I look forward to it.

I think there is great respect for Margrethe but also, as we have seen time and time in polls and articles; that Frederik and Mary are not only popular but they are seen as hard workers and down-to-earth, in-tune with the people.
People have confidence in their Crown Prince Couple who have taken a larger role and work load.

article and poll that came out in March, not only highlighting the confidence the Queen has in Frederik but also that shows that over 90% believe that Frederik will be a good king
Dronning Margrethe afslører: Sådan forbereder jeg Frederik til livet som konge
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Old 04-27-2016, 02:25 PM
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But are Felipe and Letizia, Philippe and Mathilde, Willem-Alexander and Máxima, Victoria and Daniel no "hard workers" and not "close to the people"? In all these monarchies they, as individuals, enjoy great approval but the support for the monarchy is nevertheless not necessarily corresponding with their good personal ratings. An apprectiation for the monarchy because "people like Frederik or Mary" is also delicate. Something can happen and people will then dislike. Look at Infanta Cristina and her husband. Look at Princess Madeleine and her husband. It can go, pfffwwwtttt, with a whiff of wind. But Crown Prince Frederik and Princess Mary may be very happy with their ratings, but I feel it is also the desire for change, for something fresh, something new which is playing a part here. We have seen the same in other monarchies. Queen Beatrix was seen as a Regina Perfectissimae but people thought it was time to go, after 33 years, to make place for the "more modern" and "more in touch" younger generation.
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Old 04-27-2016, 03:58 PM
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There are now more details on the poll, which Roskilde referred to: Efter Henriks pensionering: Her er danskernes dom over Margrethe

Gallup asked 1.114 persons on behalf of BT:

Should QMII follow her husband into retirement?
50 % says no.
36 % say yes.
14 % don't know.

If M&F take over now, will they be a better regent couple than QMII and PH?
47 % say yes.
4 % say no.
38 % say M&F will do just as well.
11 % don't know.

- In the eyes of QMII these can not be bad figures.
Despite being more or less semi-retired herself, her ratings are still very good as half wish to keep her on the throne. And keep in mind that we live in a youth-fixated age.
The... ehh... raised eyebrows after the retirement of PH don't seem to have affected her that much, only in regards to apparently an increasing number of people believe M&F's marriage will be more shall we say stable in the eyes of the public than QMII and PH's marriage. - But it's difficult to make predictions - especially about the future...

But it must also be very reassuring for QMII that the people in general have a high confidence in M&F as the next regent couple. That means they have been well-trained and have done well themselves. The current approach with M&F taking over more and more and developing their own style works.

In other words the dynasty is unlikely to go down if she dies tomorrow. That is not something all present day monarchs can be sure of.
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Old 04-27-2016, 04:52 PM
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It is absolutely wrong to have such kind of polls. Some traditions must be preserved. Why should Denmark follow steps of Spain and Belgium, if there are no serious reasons for Queen Margrethe to retire?
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:39 PM
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It is absolutely wrong to have such kind of polls. Some traditions must be preserved. Why should Denmark follow steps of Spain and Belgium, if there are no serious reasons for Queen Margrethe to retire?
It is just so the media will have anything to write :-D

Same situation here in Sweden. There are regularly polls and the King is frequently asked about when he is going to abdicate in favour of the extremly popular Crown Princess.

I think those polls is just a way for people to say that they like Victoria (and Daniel). I don't think many swedes want her on the throne now with 2 small kids at home. I imagine that it's the same situation in Denmark even though Frederik and Mary's 4 kids are a bit older. They should be able to have their family life in peace right now because that opportunity won't come back for them.

Like you said earlier, the abdications in Spain and Belgium happened more or less to save the monarchy. Ther is no need for that in Scandinavia or UK.
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Old 04-27-2016, 08:10 PM
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It is just so the media will have anything to write :-D

Same situation here in Sweden. There are regularly polls and the King is frequently asked about when he is going to abdicate in favour of the extremly popular Crown Princess.

I think those polls is just a way for people to say that they like Victoria (and Daniel). I don't think many swedes want her on the throne now with 2 small kids at home. I imagine that it's the same situation in Denmark even though Frederik and Mary's 4 kids are a bit older. They should be able to have their family life in peace right now because that opportunity won't come back for them.

Like you said earlier, the abdications in Spain and Belgium happened more or less to save the monarchy. Ther is no need for that in Scandinavia or UK.
It's a great thing that the heirs to the throne (and their spouses) are very well prepared and popular, in both Sweden and Denmark. I'm quite sure that our swedish king have no plans at the moment to abdicate. But in, let's say 10 years or so, when Victorias children are older, and he himself is 80? I wouldn't be surprised if he retired by that point in time.

In Denmark, the queen is still very popular. An abdication wouldn't be necessary to save the monarchy, as it was in Spain. But I think that the danish people wouldn't fault her if she retired. They would understand and accept that decision. At least that's what I'm picking up from my danish friends. She has worked hard for Denmark. Now she's older, has problems with her back, and her husband is mostly off somewhere else. Her retirement would be well deserved.
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Old 04-27-2016, 08:30 PM
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- In the eyes of QMII these can not be bad figures.
Despite being more or less semi-retired herself, her ratings are still very good as half wish to keep her on the throne. And keep in mind that we live in a youth-fixated age.
That's complete nonsense. If you would check the facts you would find that she had more engagements this year (just like all the years before) than anybody else in the DRF.
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Old 04-28-2016, 01:06 AM
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That's complete nonsense. If you would check the facts you would find that she had more engagements this year (just like all the years before) than anybody else in the DRF.
Semi-retired in the sense that she is leaving more if not most of the heavier duties to younger members of the DRF. Like at the recent state visit.

And those engagement she does nowadays are state councils and public audiences which are part of her duties as the Monarch. And very much engagements that are within her personal interests like opening an art museum where they sometimes have to drag her away or presenting prizes and awards, which are jobs that require a minimum effort of her, are pretty short and are very much routine.

Which is of course also why the upcoming summer cruises are looked at with interest, because for the first time QMII will the one who is 100 % in focus. She has no one to interact with, neither during the show or afterwards when the show is over.

In other words: IMO QMII seems to take on jobs these years that are "fun", and that again IMO is only fair considering her age.
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Old 04-28-2016, 02:27 AM
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Sounds like the ideal split. The CP Couple do the more onerous jobs which they are young enough to enjoy and there is still time for Frederik and Mary's sports, health and child-centred engagements and their family life.

Margrethe gets to be the Monarch and be "Queen Margrethe" with audiences, and the 'formal' parts of state occasions and focusing on her arts, a sphere in which noone can deny both her interest and spectacularly flamboyant talent!

It is a natural progression and one that slights noone and let's everyone's best light shine. Why shouldn't Margrethe get all the fun bits after all these years of hard work for Denmark?
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I totally agree with you. Also, QMII's strong faith is very much tied in with how she views her role and that it is for life. To deny her that would I think would be almost cruel. That sense of faith, tied with duty is very much why she admire QEII so much as well.
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Do you think the Queen Margrethe will eventually give up in a few years? Does everything what the Prince Henrik has done can take the Queen to abdicate?
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