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Old 12-28-2015, 05:56 PM
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Why is the issue of abdication continuously raised when Queen Margrethe has consistently made it clear that she will not abdicate???!!!
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:16 PM
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This is about a bet on words in QMII's New Year speech.

The odds are 4:1 on the word abdication.
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:18 PM
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Oh Ok!!! Although why there should even be such a bet is beyond me! I put QMII in the same boat as QEII when it comes to abdication - will never happen!
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Old 12-28-2015, 06:35 PM
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It seems at least once a year people speculate that one or the other will abdicate. I remember last year there was a lot of determination that QEII would announce her abdication during her Christmas speech.
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Old 12-28-2015, 07:09 PM
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While I agree neither Queen Margrethe or Queen Elizabeth will abdicate I don't think we can say its because they said so when they were young Queens. It's hard to imagine what we will be like in our 80's or 90's when we are in our 20's. The pain, tiredness or disabilities we might have and I don't think we should hold them to their words. If either wants to abdicate I say you have served your people well all these years now rest.
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Old 12-28-2015, 07:34 PM
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This isn't just something QMII said when she was young. In the book "Margrethe" from 2007, she said: "Being a Queen is a profession, a job, a position that you can't just let go once you get home from work. It is there all the time. And it is there for life. To me, it is a responsibility that does not include abdication."

In 2010, she said: "We have no tradition of abdication in Denmark. To be a Queen is a job for life. It is my mission in life. That is how it has been in all the years Denmark has been a kingdom. And that is how I think it should remain."

And lastly, in 2012, she said: "I have always felt that it is a task that you are given, and that you have it as long as you live. That is my fundamental view. It is an integral part of the job that you have it for life."

Also, you can hardly say she was young exactly when she said the infamous, "I will remain on the throne until I fall off". IIRC it was said in 1996 – one year short of her Silver Jubilee.
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Old 12-28-2015, 07:36 PM
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If there was going to be an abdication I doubt it would be announced in the New Year speech just after Mary and Fred spend several weeks on holiday in Auz.

That being said QM has said so often she won't abdicate that I believe she never will
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Old 12-28-2015, 07:41 PM
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I understand your point but I think we can all agree that one's health can change in an instant. And I think that is Royal Rob's point.

In the case of QMII, however, if her health precludes her from fulfilling her duties, I think Frederik will have a more prominent role (i.e. similar to Harald before he became King and Charles now in Great Britain.).

And of course, we shall more of the Henrik for King debacle
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Old 12-28-2015, 08:15 PM
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The only Danish king (King Erik) ever to abdicate voluntarily was back in the 1100's.
And that was because he was paralyzed.

But there is a considerable difference between being a monarch in 1100's and being a monarch today. Since then not even insanity has been reason enough to abdicate.
However, I can imagine QMII abdicating should she be diagnosed with Alzheimer or become more or less paralyzed due to a stroke or something like that. I.e. a situation where she is aware that she will be unable to fulfill her duty as a monarch.

While there are distinct advantages in abdications and I believe most Danes would feel she very much deserve a retirement, QMII as the devout Christian she is, IMO see being the Monarch as her destiny. Something she cannot opt out of.

Frederik may see it differently once he becomes king and Christian will be in his prime in about 35-40 years from now.
Because barring accidents and severe illness Frederik can be expected to live until he is at least in his 80's. And in pretty good working order on top of that!
And Christian can be expected to reach 100, so we are reaching a situation where a "prince Charles" will be the rule, rather than the exception. So based on that I believe abdications will be more common in this century.
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Old 12-28-2015, 08:22 PM
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Poor health can be gotten around by either limiting appearances and travel or by creating a Regency, an abdication isn't necessary.
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:42 PM
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Seeing as that 'story' is from 2009, I think we can safely say it was a miss.

On topic, I think it's safe to say that Denmark, alongside Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom, are among those kingdoms where an existential threat to the monarchy itself would be needed for an abdication to even be considered. In the Scandinavian kingdoms, the tradition is that of a regency in case of ill health, and an abdication is seen as a breach of the contract of monarchy, if you will, where one reigns for life. In the case of Denmark, the Queen has made it clear herself on countless occasions, that her reign is for life, and that she will never abdicate of her own free will.
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Old 12-29-2015, 03:52 AM
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Over Christmas, I was in Copenhagen for the first time and we spent christmas eve in a danish bodega with some Danes and lots of tourists from many different countries.

It was a lot of fun, and later in the evening I couldn't resist asking the Danes next to our table what they thought of the monarchy. Here is what they said (there was no disagreement among them):

- the monarchy is very popular
- Margrethe is very popular. She will not and should not abdicate
- Frederik and Mary are very popular. They will make a great King & Queen
- Henrik is not popular at all. They called him a 'french snob' and the 'french red wine clown'. His 'clown Danish' is terrible because he doesn't bother to learn it properly and he keeps embarrassing and humilitating the Queen (everything has been discussed at length on this forum: I want to be King, fleeing to Cayx like a sullen child, absence on the Queen's birthday). The Danes mentioned every single incident, Henrik-gate it seems to be a popular topic.
- Joachim is not popular either. He's an arrogant snob like his father.
- There seems to be indifference towards Marie (two of the Danes couldn't recall her name) but she's ok as she - like Mary - speeks much better Danish than Henrik.

So these are 'first hand opinions' and I thought they could add to this thread. Merry Christmas!
Hi DOM

How nice you've been in Copenhagen at Christmas. I hope you had a good Christmas trip here. Then you have probably experienced that not all Danish Christmas evenings are with Nordic beautiful white snow... Many of them are more gray, windy and rainy Did you visit Tivoli?

As an average Dane myself I will say that your 'first hand opinions' fits really well with the general Dane. Had you asked the next table the answers had most likely been exactly the same.
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:37 AM
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Hi DOM

How nice you've been in Copenhagen at Christmas. I hope you had a good Christmas trip here. Then you have probably experienced that not all Danish Christmas evenings are with Nordic beautiful white snow... Many of them are more gray, windy and rainy Did you visit Tivoli?

As an average Dane myself I will say that your 'first hand opinions' fits really well with the general Dane. Had you asked the next table the answers had most likely been exactly the same.
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DOM, would you share some "must sees" when in Copenhagen? My family is contemplating a trip there next year. If you can, thanks very much
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:03 PM
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Posts regarding Prince Henrik's retirement have been moved to a new thread: Prince Henrik Retiring from Official Duties as of January 1, 2016

Please continue there.
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This frontpage of the newspaper BT hit me today when I was on my way home from work. I can imagine BT later today brings it online...

"Every second Dane wish CP Frederik and CP Mary to take over now"

BT has made a Gallup survey showing that every second Dane wish Queen Margrethe to retire and then let CP Frederik take over.

The same Gallup survey again again shows that CP Mary and CP Frederik are the Danish royal family's most popular members, with Queen Margrethe right behind them.

I agree with the royal expert quoted in the article. This is an expression of that the Danes think it would be well deserved if Queen Margrethe retired, and that the Danes trust and really like Frederik and Mary more than it is an expression of that Danes are dissatisfied with the Queen.

I do not believe, and nor do the Danes that Margrethe abdicates. It's not her style. But it's a sign of that more and more Danes (including myself) think about why not change a tradition if it's for the better? So could it be a happy day full of joy instead of a day of with death, burial and mourning. F&M could take over with joy, we could have party in the streets and F&M could still ask Margrethe for advice the first years.

On the other hand, many (myself included) wish F&M, who are very hands on parents, will get a few more years with their young children. They already have a busy calender as the DRF's top profiles with a busy schedule. Let them have a few more years before they will get an even busier calender.

Last but not least, Queen Margrethe is still fresh, clever and very popular, and still have a very tight schedule. She still do it really well (even though it may hurt to see her walking alone now)

All in all, this is not going to happen IMO. Only if Margrethe become seriously ill.

And I also think both the Queen and the Crown Prince takes it with a smile. It's only a sign of that Queen Margrethe very safely can closes her eyes the day it happens.
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It's a big pad on the shoulders for M&F.

But we ought perhaps look more closely at the figures. 46 % agree to a more or lesser degree that Frederik should be king and QMII step back.

However, 47 % believe to a more or lesser degree that QMII should keep reigning.
So despite M&F's superstar status here in DK, QMII is still able to hold her ground and that's quite an accomplishment in this youth-fixated age.
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It is all pretty shallow and in fact also a sort of disdain for the perfect way in which Queen Margrethe has executed her kingship in all these years. Her Dutch colleague Queen Beatrix has never ever topped the popularity polls, as always her old mother, her spouse and her daughter-in-law were more popular. The current King has also never ever topped the popularity polls. Not as Prince of Orange and not as King. It is just their role to be on a distance, keep some formality and that "clashes" with the freedom of a Mary, or a Máxima to sparkle, not to be too tied by protocol, etc.
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@Muhler - yet another proof of what I heard (snob) and you wrote (arrogant) about Joachim's perception, he's at the very end of the list.
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This frontpage of the newspaper BT hit me today when I was on my way home from work. I can imagine BT later today brings it online...

"Every second Dane wish CP Frederik and CP Mary to take over now"

BT has made a Gallup survey showing that every second Dane wish Queen Margrethe to retire and then let CP Frederik take over.

The same Gallup survey again again shows that CP Mary and CP Frederik are the Danish royal family's most popular members, with Queen Margrethe right behind them.

I agree with the royal expert quoted in the article. This is an expression of that the Danes think it would be well deserved if Queen Margrethe retired, and that the Danes trust and really like Frederik and Mary more than it is an expression of that Danes are dissatisfied with the Queen.

I do not believe, and nor do the Danes that Margrethe abdicates. It's not her style. But it's a sign of that more and more Danes (including myself) think about why not change a tradition if it's for the better? So could it be a happy day full of joy instead of a day of with death, burial and mourning. F&M could take over with joy, we could have party in the streets and F&M could still ask Margrethe for advice the first years.

On the other hand, many (myself included) wish F&M, who are very hands on parents, will get a few more years with their young children. They already have a busy calender as the DRF's top profiles with a busy schedule. Let them have a few more years before they will get an even busier calender.

Last but not least, Queen Margrethe is still fresh, clever and very popular, and still have a very tight schedule. She still do it really well (even though it may hurt to see her walking alone now)

All in all, this is not going to happen IMO. Only if Margrethe become seriously ill.

And I also think both the Queen and the Crown Prince takes it with a smile. It's only a sign of that Queen Margrethe very safely can closes her eyes the day it happens.
thank you for the note
I think this can only be good news for the DRF.
There is huge support for the future, Frederik and Mary; but at the same time there is support for the current monarch , Margrethe.

That people are ready for Frederik to be King shows not only that he is popular but also that people think he is ready, and in many ways he has already taken on more and more from the Queen.
And the Queen must be happy with these results, its a high mark of approval for her and her heir.

what is a little surprising is that even after Henrik's retirement debacle , Joachim is still slightly below. I think this year will be the year for Joachim to shine a bit more than his father
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