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Old 01-30-2013, 05:14 PM
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I agree. We shouldn't have a pseudo-monarch.

Let QMII and her generation sit out their reign, that's fine with me. But a reformation is needed, I believe.

When Fredeik become a king he ought to abdicate at 75-80. By then Christian will be in his 40's and hopefully established with a wife and his own little heir.
He would also be in his prime. And just as importantly he will know that in X years, barring a tragedy, he will take over. - And his father will still be around. He will not go through the heavy burden of becoming a king, while at the same time grieving for his father.

Christian will again retire around normal retirement age for his generation, say 85. By which time his heir will probably be in his/her 40's - and so on, and so on.

To me this sounds preferable to Frederik dying in say his 90's and Christian becoming king around the age of 60. And Christian dying at say 110 (which is not unlikely) with his heir being in his/her 70's.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:03 PM
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You mean he/she stays monarch, keeps the title and position but his/her heir does the work?
Seems quite unfair towards the heir (what if he dies first?). And would empty the title King/Queen of any meaning. Dangerous IMO, could lead to people saying: we can do without a king/queen.
This is already happening. Many things Frederik does could just as well have been the job of the Queen. It's quite natural as a person gets older, that they won't be able to do the jobs they used to. There's no shame in that.

The shame is when said person fail to realize his/her limitations and keep on keeping on.

But I still think monarch is a title for life. Even if the monarch becomes demented or anything, it becomes a matter for the next generation to lift the burden - until the monarch dies. Then, and only then, can he call himself King.

Besides, do we run around thinking "we could do without a queen" every time someone else is acting Regent? So what if it's on near-permanent basis?

This is what we always did and there's no reason to change it. Stability and continuity is the way forward, still.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:49 PM
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I admire the Luxembourgers, and they have a tradition of abdication when the monarch comes to an advanced (although not decrepit) age. So I consider this a good role model.
It should not mean the disappearance of the monarch who abdicated. He/she should still be prominent in public ceremonies, as have the monarchs of Luxembourg. Old GD Jean is still apparent in public at an age over 90, even held up by a cane.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:49 PM
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You mean he/she stays monarch, keeps the title and position but his/her heir does the work?
Seems quite unfair towards the heir (what if he dies first?). And would empty the title King/Queen of any meaning. Dangerous IMO, could lead to people saying: we can do without a king/queen.
yes it is unfair to the heir, but i think this is a very possible scenario. Monarchs that their belief is to die on the throne, if they happen to have some serious mental or physical problem, they will not abdicate but they will let the heir do the work...the heir will do the Monarch's work until he/she dies and finally the heir is officially a Monarch himself.

i think the Liechenstein has a similar situation, Reigning Prince Hans (though he's capable yet) passed his work to his son and heir Prince Alois, so Prince Alois acts as a reigning prince but he is not officially, not until his father dies (or abdicate).
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Old 07-06-2013, 01:01 PM
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I hope this is the right place to put this.

A new poll published in Søndagsavisen has shown that the Danes' support of the monarchy has increased for the first time in 21 years. It's not a poll about the popularity of the individual members of the royal family, but whether the respondents thought Denmark should be a monarchy or a republic.

In the last poll in 2009, 45% preferred a monarchy, today it's 58%. 31% would prefer a republic (down from 34%), the rest didn't know.

In popularity polls the percentage is higher for most members of the royal family and has been for a long time. As several known supporters of a republic have stated, they have nothing against Margrethe, they just prefer another form of government.

A historian and royal expert says in the article, that the financial crisis is part of the reason behind the increased support of a monarchy, as people need something positive to rally around, in order to take their mind of the crisis. All those babies make for positive stories, and there are now so many members of the royal family that they appeal to a lot of different people. In addition the royal family does a really good job, they've avoided major scandals and they have managed to cross societal divides like income, culture and religion, so all parts of society can say it's "their royal family".
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:31 PM
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you can also find an online article about the poll at berlingske website: more people support mary and co.: b.dk.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:48 AM
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I find it remarkable that only 50% supports the monarchy - and that 31% prefer a republic.

In my immidiate circle of associates and family, there's one, ONE! republican.

Where are the rest?
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:22 PM
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They will be very noticeable when the Queen abdicate/dies.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:04 PM
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I don't know, those numbers where rather "shocking" to me. While they say that 58% is a high number (according to Søndagsavisen "the highest in years"), take a look at this article/poll made for Politiken back in 2011. Back then there was an immense 77% support of the monarchy and only 16% of the Danes asked were against it. That's a drop on almost 20% over just two years. I consider Politiken a quite legitimate source, and I think that drop is quite disturbing, but that might just be me overreacting.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:24 PM
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It would be interesting to know the methodology used by both polls. It is often commented on how low the popularity of the monarchy was when QMII came to the throne in 1972 and how during her reign the monarchy has become much more popular. There must be a difference in question, sampling or methodology between Politiken and Yougov to get such disparate results since there does not seem to have been any major royal scandals in Denmark and individual family members seem very popular.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:35 PM
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It says in Søndagsavisen, that the question was put in way to specifically isolate the support of the monarchy from the popularity and support of the royal family (which is the main difference between this poll and the one showing a 77% approval rating). It's old news that the royal family itself is very popular, but since 1992 polls about the support of a monarchy as the best form of government have shown a decline until this poll.
However, it doesn't state exactly how the question was worded.

And in my opinion there is a very big difference between thinking another form of government might have some advantages and actually wanting to abolish the current one. Especially since the current form of government isn't doing too badly. The Danish monarchy is definitely not in any immediate danger of being abolished.
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Members who may have been engrossed in the shocking revelations of the conspiracy to foist Mary upon an unwilling Frederik by the combined Catholic-Jewish-Masonic-yacht club-business networks-police-political leaders-Women's Weekly magazine plotters based in Sydney will be disappointed, but not surprised, to learn that this discussion has been abruptly terminated.

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Old 07-14-2013, 07:03 PM
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Seriously one of the funniest things I've ever read. Thank you!
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:09 AM
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The papers BT and Berlinske Tidende have published the results of a new survey by Gallup: Gallup: Danskerne knus-elsker kongehuset - Danmark | www.bt.dk

Very brief: 83 % are in favour of the monarchy, 82 % believe the monarchy is beneficial to DK.

Slightly surprising, or perhaps not, is that those who approve are also to be found among those who will vote for the Unity List. Which until very recently basically consisted of communists.
Actually I don't find it that surprising, because the Unity List has had a huge influx recently of members who would otherwise vote for the other two socialist parties, who also happens to be a part of the government coalition. However as the government appears to be determined to p*ss off their core voters as much as possible, the voters basically only have three options:
A: Transfer their votes to either the Unity List on the extreme left.
B: Or vote for the Danish People's Party, who are basically extreme right wing nationalist Social Democrats with a xenofobic streak.
C: Stay home at the next election and sign off from the political process.

Another figure worth noting in the survey is that 48 % believe too much money is spend on the monarchy. Presumably in the light of the severe cutback and reforms carried out by the government. So why shouldn't the DRF cut back as well?

The royal expert Lars Hovbakke Sørensen has been asked to comment and a thing he mentions is I think worth noting. The European monarchies have in the wake of the financial crisis experienced an ever increasing approval rating. The old story: When times are hard, you rally around traditional institutions that provides an anchor in a troubled world.
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:02 AM
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Thanks for the report Muhler. I have always believed the monarchy serves an historic purpose and provides a link to tradition that we sometimes lack in the age of Facebook, Instagram and reality TV. It's also a responsibility the royals should take seriously and use this time to set an example. One of hard work and of compassion. Just my thoughts :)
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:00 AM
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Yes, this report for me is very interesting on two counts: the first being that I take heart from the fact that at least the UK is not he only country in Europe where voters are stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of quality and choice of options concerning who to vote for. The second thing being that it follows quite naturally that the popularity of an ancient, ever present institution such as a monarchy will increase at times where society need something secure and comforting.
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I don't know, those numbers where rather "shocking" to me. While they say that 58% is a high number (according to Søndagsavisen "the highest in years"), take a look at this article/poll made for Politiken back in 2011. Back then there was an immense 77% support of the monarchy and only 16% of the Danes asked were against it. That's a drop on almost 20% over just two years. I consider Politiken a quite legitimate source, and I think that drop is quite disturbing, but that might just be me overreacting.

The monarchy in Denmark is very popular. And in the News says that the popularity is 83%. Read the news: http://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelige...stiger-markant
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Is there any possibility that the Queen abdicate?

I like the Queen. But I wanted to see Frederik and Mary Kings soon.
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No, Queen Margrethe II will not abdicate, nor will the monarchs in UK, Japan and Norway.

I will never leave the throne.
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As much as I would love to see Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary become King and Queen of Denmark...it has to be accepted that abdication is not a tradition in Denmark and I would be in shock if it ever happens.
Unlike in the Netherlands, where abdication is normal for the dutch monarchy; In Belgium and Spain - there were the health problems and scandals of the previous Kings, there is no abdication tradition in Denmark or scandals surrounding Queen Margrethe or the DRF. Even if she becomes seriously ill, Crown Prince Frederik will become regent only. I find it hard to believe that she will ever abdicate. In that sense, I compare Queen Margrethe with Queen Elizabeth II - the 2 remaining European Queen Regnants.
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