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Well, like it or not, the media is the tool with which the royal house communicates with its subjects.
Tool? You got that right...

And whilst I acknowledge the above, it's undisputably clear that the difference between the two are the intentions within this "relationship". The Palace requires the use of media in the interests of national broadcast. The media uses the palace in an attempt to infiltrate the establishment and indeed the private lives of the royal family. Again, the sensationalist perpetrators at their best, or rather, at their worst!
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maybe it takes a journalist....

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Tool? You got that right...

And whilst I acknowledge the above, it's undisputably clear that the difference between the two are the intentions within this "relationship". The Palace requires the use of media in the interests of national broadcast. The media uses the palace in an attempt to infiltrate the establishment and indeed the private lives of the royal family. Again, the sensationalist perpetrators at their best, or rather, at their worst!
I can't see how the intentions differ that much. The palace spins - the media is trying to see through that spin! It works the same way in politics, finances, world affairs, whatever - but maybe it takes a journalist to actually know how these things work. I was a royal reporter for some years. I know exactly how the palace spins.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:41 PM
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I think there are very few people left who don't know how these things work. Of course the Palace spins, they are in public life, PR is the name of the game. As for the media as some righteous body trying to fight through the rosy-coloured Palace version - come on, they are far to busy putting their own spin on things. You have the Palace's version, you have the media's version and somewhere in between you have the truth.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:43 PM
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Tool? You got that right...

And whilst I acknowledge the above, it's undisputably clear that the difference between the two are the intentions within this "relationship". The Palace requires the use of media in the interests of national broadcast. The media uses the palace in an attempt to infiltrate the establishment and indeed the private lives of the royal family. Again, the sensationalist perpetrators at their best, or rather, at their worst!

We too are the media, by posting on this board, and perpetuating the ongoing saga! The media is not confined to the physical broadsheet, mags etc, - the main source for information in this day and age is right here on the web, the source of most of the fodder for the contents written on message boards, where it is dissected, and analysed, we too, are a part of that 'relationship'! A good thing too, without it there would be precious little floating around, and they would feed us cake!
I don't think I understand what you mean by 'The Palace requires the use of media in the interests of national broadcast' ?
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:08 PM
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I think there are very few people left who don't know how these things work. Of course the Palace spins, they are in public life, PR is the name of the game. As for the media as some righteous body trying to fight through the rosy-coloured Palace version - come on, they are far to busy putting their own spin on things. You have the Palace's version, you have the media's version and somewhere in between you have the truth.
Exactly!

And the journalists trying to fight through the rosy coloured Palace version is definitely nearly never the tabloid version of journalist. This is at least the sad reality I've learned in my lifespan.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:16 PM
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Overall I see all monarchies in danger and I doubt many of them will survive the next 100 or 200 years. It's not a danish problem. For me royals will lose their purpose because the new generation has already turned into commoners who don't stand out from the public any longer. Fred preferres to sail, Charles - I don't have to mention, WA, Felipe & Haakon chosing wives with a questionable past / family history etc. Some countries might survive longer because of a strong history (Britain) or because they are cool about their royals (Dutch and maybe the Danes) but all others, sooner or later they will be gone. Many heirs or spouses simply don't bring along the needed attitude to guide a monarchy into the future and how could they? Many of the heirs have been brought up as normal as possible themselves, got married to commoners. Change of generations and society will be so brute that there won't be a future for monarchies any longer, that's at least my prediciton.
I fully agree with your views. I for one think that people are threatened by changes of the state system already in place. Thus, it is more comfortable to put up with an outdated nonsensical form of the supreme government than bear the thought of a change to an elected Head of State that may be followed by inevitable bitter repercussions. The current royal houses do lose their mystic by showing too much of human side ...
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:50 PM
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I can't see how the intentions differ that much. The palace spins - the media is trying to see through that spin! It works the same way in politics, finances, world affairs, whatever - but maybe it takes a journalist to actually know how these things work. I was a royal reporter for some years. I know exactly how the palace spins.

The media is trying to see through the spin? Nonsense. The media tries to break down the barrier piece by piece. The monarchy provides what is necessary and appropriate for circulation. The media then continues to abuse that and will, with minimal constraint, attempt to take what it likes when it's not handed over willingly.

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'The Palace requires the use of media in the interests of national broadcast'
Requires the use of media for the benefit of national interest. Weddings, christenings, special occasions, legitimate news, the Queen's Christmas message etc.

For the respective royal events, charitable causes and traditions people enjoy seeing and experiencing. In other words, the cultural intrigues of the institution.
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It is my sincerest hope and wish that the danish monarchy continues. I believe that Denmark is best represented by a monarch. But of course, times can always change and what is deemed best at the current time may not be so 50 years from now. But if the monarchy has survived and functioned for over 1000 years, I feel that in can continue to do so 1000 years more.

But that's the optimist in me
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:28 AM
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The media is trying to see through the spin? Nonsense. The media tries to break down the barrier piece by piece. The monarchy provides what is necessary and appropriate for circulation. The media then continues to abuse that and will, with minimal constraint, attempt to take what it likes when it's not handed over willingly.



Requires the use of media for the benefit of national interest. Weddings, christenings, special occasions, legitimate news, the Queen's Christmas message etc.

For the respective royal events, charitable causes and traditions people enjoy seeing and experiencing. In other words, the cultural intrigues of the institution.

Quite agree, quite a few people follow royal events, and the media is a good launch pad for promoting this interest, on an entertainment level, but not on a national importance level, that might be stretching the point!
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Old 05-17-2008, 04:41 AM
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Quite agree, quite a few people follow royal events, and the media is a good launch pad for promoting this interest, on an entertainment level, but not on a national importance level, that might be stretching the point!
And on a National Importance level!!
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Quite agree, quite a few people follow royal events, and the media is a good launch pad for promoting this interest, on an entertainment level, but not on a national importance level, that might be stretching the point!
Though to suggest it isn't, would be a paradox of sorts. These people, this institution, is of national importance. They aren't who they are for anyone's amusement and nor are the royal events which are televised.

The Queen doesn't make her New Years braodcast for entertainment value, she does it because as Queen, she has a scoial and governing obligation to do so.

The royal family are not entertainers, they are the royal family. The foremost example of national identity.


(Correction: The Queen makes a New Years Broadcast, not a Christmas one)
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:05 AM
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Though to suggest it isn't, would be a paradox of sorts. These people, this institution, is of national importance. They aren't who they are for anyone's amusement and nor are the royal events which are televised.

The Queen doesn't make her New Years braodcast for entertainment value, she does it because as Queen, she has a scoial and governing obligation to do so.

The royal family are not entertainers, they are the royal family. The foremost example of national identity.
The Queen of Denmark does not have a "governing obligation" to make her New Years broadcast. No where in the Danish constitution does it say, that the Queen has to do her broadcast. It is a tradition started by Margrethe's grandfather Christian X.
Well, if the royals are not entertainers, maybe they should stop behaving like they are? What the Danish monarchy lacks at the moment, is substance. It's all style and no content - in my humble opinion!
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Perhaps the media should stop portraying them as entertainers/celebrities. Once upon a time royal families were treated with a bit more respect by the mass media. Who is responsible for the shift in journalistic practices? Certainly not the royals!

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Well, that argument goes round in circles, doesn't it? The media should stop portraying them as entertainment, but then the media says that they are providing a demand, so the public should actually stop buying these magazines. And in the end royals do 'use' the entertainment factor to enhance their position. I mean for example, why would you actually show your wedding on television? IMO because the entertainment value will strenghten the monarchy.
Though the media does play a role indeed, in the end it is the public that makes the difference. It is the public who decide that they prefer to read small glammy articles on royals instead of more in-depth articles about cause X of princess Y by buying (or not buying) a certain newspaper each morning.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:07 PM
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I agree,a bit.
On showing the weddings on tv?It is not entertainment,it is the future Monarch getting married,
an occasion of National importance,not some kid on the block.
There is a difference,a huge difference.

On the initial text,whomever concocted it,Is it worth it?Nationalism or National waste?Wrong headline.Very wrong.
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The Queen of Denmark does not have a "governing obligation" to make her New Years broadcast. No where in the Danish constitution does it say, that the Queen has to do her broadcast. It is a tradition started by Margrethe's grandfather Christian X.
But of course. Obligation was, perhaps, not the right word as such. A New Years broadcast is mentioned no where in the Danish constitution, but being the incumbant sovereign, it would therefore be a personal preference, to continue the practice initiated by her late grandfather and so remains a governing tradition.

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There is no 'we', in 'I'!
I don't think many people disagree with Villemann and want a monarchy without substance, so it is safe to assume that V. isn't the only one who wants a monarchy with substance. Whether the substance is lacking at the moment is open to debate of course.
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I agree,a bit.
On showing the weddings on tv?It is not entertainment,it is the future Monarch getting married,
an occasion of National importance,not some kid on the block.
There is a difference,a huge difference.

On the initial text,whomever concocted it,Is it worth it?Nationalism or National waste?Wrong headline.Very wrong.

And why is that, Lucien? Is it because you have an aversion to analytical discourse that requires for one to think differently? To question things for the sake of discussion even though it may be uncomfortable for you and others? To think about a particular issue from another angle hence outside of their normal thought process?
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And why is that, Lucien? Is it because you have an aversion to analytical discourse that requires for one to think differently? To question things for the sake of discussion even though it may be uncomfortable for you and others? To think about a particular issue from another angle hence outside of their normal thought process?
That aversion you mention does not exist,well,not in my mind at least.
Questioning is OK,but keep it sensible,and that is often a difficulty wouldn't you agree?

I'm all for a Monarchy with substance,and thank goodness,the one I live in is about that instead of catwalk cats,what about yours?
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Is it difficult? Heavens no especially if one is used to this type of debate. However, they way you phrased your statement alerted me to counter-question you. So, let me say this: Why is it when one proposes the debate of What is Nationalism and is the monarchy relevant/really worth it in the 21st century many are quick to state blasphemy?

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I'm all for a Monarchy with substance,and thank goodness,the one I live in is about that instead of catwalk cats,what about yours dear?
Don't you believe that is an extremely bizarre question to ask an American? Let me answer for you: Why yes, yes it is.

However, for the sake of debate, do I believe the monarchy is Denmark is worth it? Yes, I do. As long as they keep the house small and do not create more titles things will be fine. Danes seem to be pleased with their royals, and if their attitude towards life in general, hence "they don't expect much"*(which one can easily deduce to mean that they may or may not have low expectations of their royals if they have melancholy attitude), the Danish monarchy will live on. How does this tie in with Nationalism? Simple: The Danish monarchy has been around for a thousand years. This tiny country prides itself not only on their accomplishments, but the fact they have a long tradition that most nations cannot claim. Overall, it would be a disservice for Denmark if their monarchy ceased.


Finally, for the second and the last time: Do not ever call me dear again... okay? Tak. :)


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