State Visit from Turkey to Denmark: March 17-19, 2014


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my favorite part is when mary looses her shoes in front of all the cameraes, the journalists and people and she just stop up..say oops..laugh and give a big mega watt smile to them all..you go girl:D

Just like a true Cinderella ;)

It reminds me of when her hat flew away a few days before their wedding. That was handled with a huge laugh as well.
 
I'm not sure, Muhler... :p We all know that one of Frederik's and Mary's beloved characteristic is their more informal/relaxed appearance in all things they do. And I'm probably the same type, it doesn't always need to be so correct and stiff in my world. And I guess I'm a too informal person to understand this. I really don't see what the difference is between Mary standing on Frederik's right or left side :p I wouldn't even had noticed it if you haven't mentioned it :ROFLMAO:

To me the couple looks just as beautiful and complete then Mary stands at Frederik's left side as at his right :p

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Well, it does appeal to the geek in me when things are done correctly and with style - especially when the show is on.
Personally I'm not that interested in dresses, so it's the details I notice.

Anyway, it's wives and mothers to your right and concubines to your left. ;)

If you look at the first picture, there is actually a practical reason for the costum. With Mary to Frederik's left the hilt of his sabre ruffles up her dress and bang against her leg. - And it's more difficult for a gallant man like Frederik to draw his sabre in defence of his precious wife. :knight:
 
Why is Princess Benedicte always present for the State Visits?
Does She like to be in the highlight and is her life n Germany soo boring ?
 
Why is Princess Benedicte always present for the State Visits?
Does She like to be in the highlight and is her life n Germany soo boring ?

Perhaps because she feels it's her duty as a member of the DRF to be present at such grand occasions.
 
Why is Princess Benedicte always present for the State Visits?
Does She like to be in the highlight and is her life n Germany soo boring ?
She´s in the line of succesion and receives money from the danish state.
 
I think I like this room and seating order better than the one used in Fredensborg. They should use it more often.

The Queen and all 3 princesses looked very elegant last night.

But Marie put her elbows on the table during the President's speech.
I was taught that's bad manners.

Does the President have a cold or is this his usual voice?

There is of course a perfectly rational explanation for the elbows. :p

Our Marie, being married to Joachim who is a perfect gentleman, would normally never do such a thing.
But, she was no doubt hiding her face from a politician who tried to establish eye contact with her. Behind the translated speech she was undoubtedly thinking: "Oh good grief! She will be going on and on and on about ecological pig-farming and what's-his-name to my left will again try his circus-French on me. This is gonna be a looong evening"! - I'm convinced that's the correct and only possible explanation. :)
 
And the visit continues today.

Here is a report from BB: Tyrkisk statsbesøg: Kronprinsesse Mary fortalte om sin hjertesag | Billed Bladet

Mary and the first lady had a lunch, where Mary told her about her pet projects, i.e. promoting the rights and conditions of women.

Then they visited the Danner crisis centre for women. Established in the mid 1800's it was I believe the first of its kind in DK.
There are some 65.000 Turks and people of Turkish decent living in DK. It is an interesting, though sad fact that now a majority of the women who seek shelter in crisis homes are immigrants, first or second generation. As Turks constitute the largest immigrant group a considerable percentage of women in crisis centres are naturally Turks.

Just like in Greenland, the Mary Foundation donate rucksacks with necessary items for children and various toys. Because often the women arrive with very little.
 
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Mary and the First Lady today.

Before this visit Mary held a lunch for the First Lady in her and Frederik's Palace.

http://www.billedbladet.dk/sites/bi...c/media/article/mary_danner.jpg?itok=OTa3H27I

Information about their visit
http://kongehuset.dk/Menu/nyheder/besog-ved-danner

my favorite part is when mary looses her shoes in front of all the cameraes, the journalists and people and she just stop up..say oops..laugh and give a big mega watt smile to them all..you go girl:D

Here's a gif ;)

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Pictures from Facebook of the gala

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A very nice picture from yesterday

http://www.hola.com/imagenes/realeza...marca-81-a.jpg

CP Mary and The First Lady visit the Danner

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Picture of Mary and the Presidents wife inside Frederik VIII's Palace

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First pic of tonight's return dinner

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I wonder if it is at all important that no orders were apparently exchanged during this state visit. HE the president was not wearing any Danish orders and QMII were not wearing the Order of the state of the republic of Turkey. I would have thought that some sort of exchange of orders would be customary at such events.
 

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I wonder if political issues are discussed and addressed on such visits. Turkey goes through a very difficult time with millions of people protesting against the ruling party that Mr. Gül represents. Three young men died last week. But the government continues to use force like heavy tear gas against its predominately young people. I am sorry to say, but as a Turkish citizen, watching all this glamour and knowing at the same time that it is Mr. Gul's party and president that are massively accused of terrorizing the people, it gives these scenes in Denmark somehow a ridiculous character.
 
I wonder if political issues are discussed and addressed on such visits. Turkey goes through a very difficult time with millions of people protesting against the ruling party that Mr. Gül represents. Three young men died last week. But the government continues to use force like heavy tear gas against its predominately young people. I am sorry to say, but as a Turkish citizen, watching all this glamour and knowing at the same time that it is Mr. Gul's party and president that are massively accused of terrorizing the people, it gives these scenes in Denmark somehow a ridiculous character.


Political issues are very much discussed at this visit!
I've omitted writing about them because I didn't think they would be considered interesting in this forum.
But very briefly:

Turkey would very much like to become a member of EU, claiming with considerable justification that their economy is much better than many current EU-members not to mention future EU members.
On the other hand, there is the issue of human rights in Turkey, not least within the past coupld of years. And there is the genuine danger of the Turkish military stepping in again, as they have done before since the time of Kemal Atatürk.
There are a number of conditions which needs to be adhered to in order to become a member of EU. I.e. in regards to human rights and democratic rules.
But more importantly there is a fear of pushing the balance within EU by including a country of some 70 million people.
Then there is the problems of integrating Muslim immigrants in Europe. The prospect on including a large Muslim country on top of all these problems is not considered desirable by many if not most.

So this visit is a part of a campaign of trying to gain allies to speak the Turkish interest within EU. The Danish PM have said that Denmark support Turkeys inclusion into EU - over time, sort of, but not too wholeheartedly...

As Turkey is an important NATO ally, and is located on the threshold of a volatile area, and de facto serves as a buffer for south-east Europe, USA a couple of years ago strongly advocated Turkeys admission into EU. That was aprubtly rejected, the Obama administration was basically told to take a hike. - It was made very clear that USA should stay out of that issue!

On top of that, there is the issue of the Turkish PM, Erdogan, who is representing a more shall we say traditional Muslim view. In a country that since Kemal Atatürk has stayed firmly secular. That hasn't favoured the Turkish cause in Europe either.
 
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It seems that Denmark is having quite a few events which gives the royals a chance to dress up in their finery. :D

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I found the menu from the gala dinner:

Dishes

- Terrine of fish from the North Sea with pumpkin flan and fennel
- Fillet of beef with carrots, potato cake and creamed mushrooms
- Cheese baked Reblochon
- Pear pavlova and pomegranate

Wine

- The Prince Cigaralle 2011
- Cuvée Royale Luxury Castle Cayx 1997 Cahors
- Special Cuvée Champagne Moët & Chandon M & M

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And here are some extra photos (apologies for any re-posts) of the gala dinner:

One ~ Two
 
I wonder if it is at all important that no orders were apparently exchanged during this state visit. HE the president was not wearing any Danish orders and QMII were not wearing the Order of the state of the republic of Turkey. I would have thought that some sort of exchange of orders would be customary at such events.

It seems that fewer republics exchange orders anymore. South Korea, Russia, China, Turkey, etc no longer exchange orders (though sometimes a monarch will receive South Korea's highest order, iirc, but no one else does). I don't think it means anything, it's just the way things have gone.
 
It just goes to show how different lighting can affect a gown. Her Majesties gown looks green outside in the glare of flash lights and inside at the gala dinner the gown looks almost black.
 
Political issues are very much discussed at this visit!
I've omitted writing about them because I didn't think they would be considered interesting in this forum.
But very briefly:

Turkey would very much like to become a member of EU, claiming with considerable justification that their economy is much better than many current EU-members not to mention future EU members.
On the other hand, there is the issue of human rights in Turkey, not least within the past coupld of years. And there is the genuine danger of the Turkish military stepping in again, as they have done before since the time of Kemal Atatürk.
There are a number of conditions which needs to be adhered to in order to become a member of EU. I.e. in regards to human rights and democratic rules.
But more importantly there is a fear of pushing the balance within EU by including a country of some 70 million people.
Then there is the problems of integrating Muslim immigrants in Europe. The prospect on including a large Muslim country on top of all these problems is not considered desirable by many if not most.

So this visit is a part of a campaign of trying to gain allies to speak the Turkish interest within EU. The Danish PM have said that Denmark support Turkeys inclusion into EU - over time, sort of, but not too wholeheartedly...

As Turkey is an important NATO ally, and is located on the threshold of a volatile area, and de facto serves as a buffer for south-east Europe, USA a couple of years ago strongly advocated Turkeys admission into EU. That was aprubtly rejected, the Obama administration was basically told to take a hike. - It was made very clear that USA should stay out of that issue!

On top of that, there is the issue of the Turkish PM, Erdogan, who is representing a more shall we say traditional Muslim view. In a country that since Kemal Atatür has stayed firmly secular. That hasn't favoured the Turkish cause in Europe either.

Dear Muhler, thank you for the summary, but you don't seem to be up-to-date on the current situation in Turkey. Turkey is not only seeking EU partnership since its economy is flourishing but since decades (starting from a time where the economy was very bad). There is no military left to step-in, as the current government under Erdogan/Gül has put prominent members behind bars. Turkish PM Erdogan is not only representing the traditional Muslims but he terrorizes his own people (restricting their freedom of speech, people lose their jobs when they say something against the government, women lose more and more rights). Just last week the PM called a 15-year-old boy who was killed by tear gas attack from the police a terrorist. He and his government of which Mr. Gul is a part, showed no sign of sorrow.

And I still don't understand what topics were discussed during the visit. Seeing Mary with Mrs Gül visiting a womens shelter house is hart to bear when you know that it is also Mrs Güls husbands party that do nothing against child marriage for example.

This is what I meant. Watching the glamor of this visit, it does not mirror the reality in Turkey.
 
Dear Muhler, thank you for the summary, but you don't seem to be up-to-date on the current situation in Turkey. Turkey is not only seeking EU partnership since its economy is flourishing but since decades (starting from a time where the economy was very bad). There is no military left to step-in, as the current government under Erdogan/Gül has put prominent members behind bars. Turkish PM Erdogan is not only representing the traditional Muslims but he terrorizes his own people (restricting their freedom of speech, people lose their jobs when they say something against the government, women lose more and more rights). Just last week the PM called a 15-year-old boy who was killed by tear gas attack from the police a terrorist. He and his government of which Mr. Gul is a part, showed no sign of sorrow.

And I still don't understand what topics were discussed during the visit. Seeing Mary with Mrs Gül visiting a womens shelter house is hart to bear when you know that it is also Mrs Güls husbands party that do nothing against child marriage for example.

This is what I meant. Watching the glamor of this visit, it does not mirror the reality in Turkey.

Thank you, Naggi, for your info. :flowers:

I didn't know the political influence of the Turkish military has been that much hemmed in.
The boy who died and the protests as well as the government's reaction (calling him a terrorist IIRC) has indeed been in the papers here in DK.

The reversing of the legislation regarding underage marriages, lately now also proposed in Iraq, is indeed worrying.
 
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Thank you, Naggi, for your info. :flowers:

I didn't know the political influence of the Turkish military has been that much hemmed in.
The boy who died and the protests as well as the government's reaction (calling him a terrorist IIRC) has indeed been in the papers here in DK.

The reversing of the legislation regarding underage marriages, lately now also proposed in Iraq, is indeed worrying.

I hope you don't misunderstand me, Muhler. It was not my intention to be offensive. Please forgive me. :hug:

It was just that - as I am personally involved since family members are on the street protesting against this government - whether the political situation is a subject for discussions. I see lots of contrasts between the reality and these pictures.
 
I hope you don't misunderstand me, Muhler. It was not my intention to be offensive. Please forgive me. :hug:

It was just that - as I am personally involved since family members are on the street protesting against this government - whether the political situation is a subject for discussions. I see lots of contrasts between the reality and these pictures.

I don't think I misunderstood you and I'm not the least bit offended. :)

I may be a little bit hesitant about going into the depth of a subject (in this case the domestic political situation in Turkey) I don't feel I'm enough informed about.
Hence my perhaps short reply.

Three clips from todays events where Mary was hosting the Turkish first lady.

First clip prior to the lunch at Amalienborg. I see Mary recieved her guest in the hall:
http://www.tccb.gov.tr/playVideo.asp?vid=38984
The adjutant in the background is attached to Mary.

The second clip is from an art exhibition, where the first lady is studying among other things art depicting Ottomans:
http://www.tccb.gov.tr/playVideo.asp?vid=38983
Mary is not in the video, but her PET officer is. Apparantly on loan. The first lady has, as DK protocol dictates, been given an adjutant from the airforce to accompany her.

And the third clip is from the Danner crisis centre:
http://www.tccb.gov.tr/playVideo.asp?vid=38986
They converse in English, if you can hear it.

And a few pics:
http://www.tccb.gov.tr/images/photoalbum/2014-yurtdisi/yd-20140317-danimarka-110-kadinsiginmaevi.jpg

http://www.tccb.gov.tr/images/photoalbum/2014-yurtdisi/yd-20140317-danimarka-113-kadinsiginmaevi.jpg

http://www.tccb.gov.tr/images/photoalbum/2014-yurtdisi/yd-20140317-danimarka-115-kadinsiginmaevi.jpg

http://www.tccb.gov.tr/images/photoalbum/2014-yurtdisi/yd-20140317-danimarka-108-hg-prenses.jpg

http://www.tccb.gov.tr/images/photoalbum/2014-yurtdisi/yd-20140317-danimarka-109-hg-prenses.jpg
 
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I wonder if it is at all important that no orders were apparently exchanged during this state visit. HE the president was not wearing any Danish orders and QMII were not wearing the Order of the state of the republic of Turkey. I would have thought that some sort of exchange of orders would be customary at such events.
that is strange especially considering that during the state visit just last year to Sweden The King was awarded the order of the state of the republic of turkey
http://www.kungahuset.se/images/200...t-galamiddag-foto-Jonas-Ekströmer-scanpix.jpg
 
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It seems that fewer republics exchange orders anymore. South Korea, Russia, China, Turkey, etc no longer exchange orders (though sometimes a monarch will receive South Korea's highest order, iirc, but no one else does). I don't think it means anything, it's just the way things have gone.

Well I don't think that is the case here. If you look at the link below you will see that the Turkish order has been awarded quite generously.
Order of State of Republic of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
China still awards the order of the Brilliant Jade to foreign heads of state.
Russia has tons of orders and in 1998 the old imperial order of Saint Andrew was reinstated.
Korea still awards the Grand Order of Mugunghwa, and QMII is among the recipients.

that is strange especially considering that during the state visit just last year to Sweden The King was awarded the order of the state of the republic of turkey
http://www.kungahuset.se/images/200....er-scanpix.jpg

That is my point exactly! Not only did the King of Sweden receive it in 2013 - The King of Norway, The Grand Duke of Luxembourg and the president of Azerbaijan got the Turkish Order last year. As far as I can see president Gül also received very distinguised orders from Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg and Azerbaijan.
I wonder if there will be a return state visit to Turkey and orders will be exchanged there. Or maybe QMII has decided to be cautious awarding orders to foreign heads of state in order to avoid repeating the emabarrassing episode of awarding the Order of the Elephant to the former president/dictator of Romania Nicolae Ceauşescu. I am not trying to put the president Gül in the same category as Ceauşescu but to be honest he is at least by some regarded as shall we say controversial.
Anyway my point is that I find it odd that orders were not exchanged during this state visit.
 
There is of course a perfectly rational explanation for the elbows. :p

Our Marie, being married to Joachim who is a perfect gentleman, would normally never do such a thing.
But, she was no doubt hiding her face from a politician who tried to establish eye contact with her. Behind the translated speech she was undoubtedly thinking: "Oh good grief! She will be going on and on and on about ecological pig-farming and what's-his-name to my left will again try his circus-French on me. This is gonna be a looong evening"! - I'm convinced that's the correct and only possible explanation. :)
Sure, Joachim is the perfect gentleman and Marie is the perfect princess.
It just so happens that he cheated on his first wife and she has her elbows on the table.
Well, as long as they know the protocol....:D

But I do appreciate your humour, Muhler, and your perfectly irrational - I mean rational - explanation. :flowers:
 
Sure, Joachim is the perfect gentleman and Marie is the perfect princess.
It just so happens that he cheated on his first wife and she has her elbows on the table.
Well, as long as they know the protocol....:D

But I do appreciate your humour, Muhler, and your perfectly irrational - I mean rational - explanation. :flowers:

:)
Thank you.

A minor protest though. I'm not so sure who cheated on who, if any, in that at the time doomed marriage.
Socialising with someone as Joachim did, or confiding intimately with another as Alexandra did, in itself does not constitute cheating in my eyes. That's friendship. Even falling in love with someone else doesn't constitute cheating, that can happen to anyone.
It's when you sleep with someone else and/or buy a second toothbrush... that it becomes cheating in my book.

ADDED: A BB video of the DRF arriving at the return dinner at the venerable Hotel D'Angleterre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6f2B1LXd-E
There were two women protesting the death of the fifteen year old boy in Turkey, but they were sheilded off by security. - (Removing them is a matter for the Danish police, Annelise Weimann, not Turkish security!)
It's the reporter Annelise Weimann who has been covering the visit, so we can expect a lot about dresses and less substance in the articles tomorrow.
 
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More pictures and information about Mary's and President wife's visit at Danner:

Article:
Statsbesøg i Danner | Danner

Pictures:
http://www.danner.dk/wp-content/gall...e-ankommer.jpg
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"Crown Princess of Denmark Extends Warm Welcome to the First Lady"
(Article, pictures and videos)

Presidency Of The Republic Of Turkey : Crown Princess of Denmark Extends Warm Welcome to the First Lady

Our news tonight had clips from Mary's and the President's wife visit at Danner + Margrethe+Henrik and Frederik+Mary's arrival at the return dinner. We're told the dinner ended early, around 9pm.

TV AVISEN - 18. mar. 2014 | DR1 | DR

Two pics from the return dinner

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Return dinner:

QMII https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/dpp-eu-1/1/1455353294abf30499645674245.jpg

Mary https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.....0-9/1011074_241379862716104_1639168995_n.jpg

F+M https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1924925_241379962716094_2098638509_n.jpg

J+M https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjDDAzBCIAAbtQ0.jpg

F+M https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/dpp-eu-1/1/1455353294b6051665253908362.jpg

Benedikte https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/dpp-eu-1/1/1455353294a911061c386526026.jpg


The Danner visit:

https://www.semana.es/mary-donaldso...la-primera-dama-de-turquia-20140319-00150809/

https://www.semana.es/wp-content/uploads/mary-pdama.jpg?8ac806

https://www.semana.es/wp-content/uploads/mary-sola.jpg?8ac806
 
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