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Old 08-24-2018, 11:21 AM
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And so you should.
There is no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid replies.

Well, it depends on where you read it. Some of the press can be pretty sensational, and, shall we say, imaginative, in their articles. According to the press M&F should have been on the brink of divorce many times. They should also have at least 15 children!
And we all know QMII and Mary absolutely love and hate each other every alternate week.

There is of course also the distance to take into account. Some thing said an written about the Spanish royals up here, may be, shall we say misinterpreted...

And then there are those who would very much like to see, in this case, Mary fall flat on her nose, for whatever reason they may have for wishing that.
As you know that doesn't only apply to Mary. Letizia, Kate, Meghan Maxima and so on have their detractors as well.
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:36 PM
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I think it is only natural. The Crown Prince is in his fifties. His personality, role and stature is in evolution. That is not different to Mary.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:15 PM
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I am trying to understand the "in the past" part, is that referring to the dating years and the early years of their marriage? It is hard to make goo goo eyes at each other when you have four kids in tow. Having said that one of the nicest parts of being a Crown Prince Couple watcher is those unexpected displays of affection between Fred and Mary or even something that is not necessarily PDA but just something that shows a connection like a glance. I guess it can be debated as to whether it is healthy or not, but it seems to me that Fred seems to sometimes use Mary as a soothie where he will go over to her and take her hand or try and get her attention, these gestures tend to be fleeting. I think that it is a good reflection on Mary, who (to me) seems to have a very professional demeanor in public is often sought out by her husband and children for comfort and support.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:43 PM
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Agree, and good post Muhler.
It's hard to debate a relationship between two, only the two in the relationship can really say. Also a marriage and relationship evolves overtime, for me they have one that has grown stronger over the years.

Just taking a look back at Mary's beautiful birthday speech to her husband in May, well Frederik looked quite in love and proud

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Can someone please confirm if Prince Henrik actually did state that, by marrying a commoner, the crown prince was cheapening the monarchy? I would be surprised if he had expressed this opinion publickly.
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:57 AM
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Can someone please confirm if Prince Henrik actually did state that, by marrying a commoner, the crown prince was cheapening the monarchy? I would be surprised if he had expressed this opinion publickly.
I have never heard that one.

I think that statement is so strong that it would have been quoted often in connection with PH.

PH, like all people, had his flaws, but he wasn't a snob.
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:20 PM
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Can someone please confirm if Prince Henrik actually did state that, by marrying a commoner, the crown prince was cheapening the monarchy? I would be surprised if he had expressed this opinion publickly.
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I have never heard that one.

I think that statement is so strong that it would have been quoted often in connection with PH.

PH, like all people, had his flaws, but he wasn't a snob.
I agree with Muhler. I'll be prepared to eat crow if that turned out to be true. Prince Henrik was many things but he was never a snob. As we've seen before his death and heard even more after he passed away he was genuinely interested and happy to connect with people from all walks of life and that he cared deeply about everyone around him. Added to that he was visibly devoted to his three daughters-in-laws who, as we all know, were all born as commoners.
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:27 PM
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Wasn’t Henrik’s title in dispute at some point anyways? I thought I read somewhere he wasn’t actually an aristocrat.
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Old 10-02-2019, 01:07 PM
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Wasn’t Henrik’s title in dispute at some point anyways? I thought I read somewhere he wasn’t actually an aristocrat.
There are different interpretations regarding if the family of Laborde de Monpezat fullfilled the stipulations of their Letter of ennoblement in 1655. Given that they probably didn´t the question is if they can be considered as noble anyway having lived as nobles on noble lands and having paid noble poll tax several times during the 18th century. The verdict is still out on that but the general view, shared by Prince Henrik himself when faced with the information, is that they weren´t official members of the nobility. Whats definitely sure is that the comital title is not an official one. It´s worth pointing out that there are many families who assumed these "titres de courtoisie" during the 19th century and that the use of them are carefully accepted.
A footnote is that I remember reading old French articles from the early years of the marriage betweeen Daisy and Henri where already then real French aristocrats are outright puzzled over who this supposed Comte de Monpezat is.
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Old 11-26-2019, 06:24 PM
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Wasn’t Henrik’s title in dispute at some point anyways? I thought I read somewhere he wasn’t actually an aristocrat.
Others have noted the disputed validity of his title, but I remember being surprised when delving into his mother's background how modest it was. In at least one online family tree, her father's occupation is given as railway employee and her grandfathers' as upholsterer and locksmith, respectively. Though people with the humblest roots can sometimes be the biggest snobs, I'm going to assume Prince Henrik was more sensible than to look down on his daughter-in-law's background, which is no more humble than his own mother's.
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